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I have often wondered if LEO gets a notification of a perp (not some Joe with an unpaid parking ticket) tries to buy a gun gets denied, if it?s a felony to falsify/lie on the BGC form is action taken?
Based on my experience, they do call the police, at least sometimes. About four years ago, I was at Rapid Fire Bunker waiting for my CBI check, and two Littleton officers came in, walked right up to some guy like they knew him, and told him they need to speak with him outside. As I was leaving the store about fifteen minutes later, I saw that the guy was handcuffed.
I'm sure it wasn't about parking tickets, as I had a few unpaid ones myself, and I was approved to proceed with the transfer.
What are wait times at today
As of last night, the queue was 9,000 with the same wait times of 4+ days.
I always wonder how people go about checking when they don't actually know if they could pass. Is there a way for people to check without breaking the law to start with?
Rucker61
03-30-2020, 12:31
State level. Tried one at the federal level, but the AUSA wasn't interested in it, so I filed it also at the state level.
I thought so. At the federal level it's about a 0.02% conviction rate.
.455_Hunter
03-30-2020, 12:33
Based on my experience, they do call the police, at least sometimes. About four years ago, I was at Rapid Fire Bunker waiting for my CBI check, and two Littleton officers came in, walked right up to some guy like they knew him, and told him they need to speak with him outside. As I was leaving the store about fifteen minutes later, I saw that the guy was handcuffed.
I'm sure it wasn't about parking tickets, as I had a few unpaid ones myself, and I was approved to proceed with the transfer.
I witnessed roughly the same thing at Ark Tactical a few years ago. While a guy was waiting on his BGC, Noah took a call in the back room. A few minutes later, a couple of Lakewood PD showed up and arrested the guy for "fishing without a license" ticket based warrants. Once that was determined, everybody was pretty chill and the officers said the guy could come back later that day for his gun once he was processed and released from the PD. Noah said the call was from CBI to keep the guy waiting so the PD could come. His pucker factor was high for a bit because they would not tell him any info on the warrant.
OneGuy67
03-30-2020, 12:40
I always wonder how people go about checking when they don't actually know if they could pass. Is there a way for people to check without breaking the law to start with?
I'm not sure how to respond to that. Wouldn't you know if you had been convicted of a felony or of a Brady crime (DV, etc)?
OneGuy67
03-30-2020, 12:42
I thought so. At the federal level it's about a 0.02% conviction rate.
I don't know anything of their conviction rate. I do know that the US Attorney's threshold for prosecution is generally pretty high. A few years ago, I investigated a tax fraud case where the feds were out over a million and the state was out around $80K and I ended up charging in the state as the AUSA wasn't interested.
I'm not sure how to respond to that. Wouldn't you know if you had been convicted of a felony or of a Brady crime (DV, etc)?
You'd think. I know guys that got in trouble when young and got arrested for stuff that could have been a felony, but was supposedly reduced. I don't think I'm out of line in suggesting that what someone gets told, and what record the state actually has, can be different. I've gone through, and known others who go though that kind of thing with the DMV for example. Either way, they're too scared to try.
I witnessed roughly the same thing at Ark Tactical a few years ago. While a guy was waiting on his BGC, Noah took a call in the back room. A few minutes later, a couple of Lakewood PD showed up and arrested the guy for "fishing without a license" ticket based warrants. Once that was determined, everybody was pretty chill and the officers said the guy could come back later that day for his gun once he was processed and released from the PD. Noah said the call was from CBI to keep the guy waiting so the PD could come. His pucker factor was high for a bit because they would not tell him any info on the warrant.
Was that the guy buying the Hi-Points?
buffalobo
03-30-2020, 13:10
I always wonder how people go about checking when they don't actually know if they could pass. Is there a way for people to check without breaking the law to start with?Have yourself investigated by private party. Some PI's have a flat fee background check that should equal or surpass the CBI check.
.455_Hunter
03-30-2020, 13:20
Was that the guy buying the Hi-Points?
I don't recall. It wasn't anything that was really notable.
I thought so. At the federal level it's about a 0.02% conviction rate.
Is it really worth the resources at any level of government to prosecute these? Other than picking up people with active warrants...
The unconstitutional check worked as intended and prevented someone from exercising their right to bear arms with the blessing of the government overlords.
Have yourself investigated by private party. Some PI's have a flat fee background check that should equal or surpass the CBI check.
All of these government databases should be public searchable with certain information hidden, such as SS#, drivers license #, DOB. We have the right to know what data the government has collected on us, and get it corrected if wrong.
Have yourself investigated by private party. Some PI's have a flat fee background check that should equal or surpass the CBI check.
That seems pretty straight forward. If I ever see that dude again I'll pass it along.
Co worker of mine (former military with an active clearance) was denied because someone stole his identity. I dont know if he was just lazy but it took him a while to get it cleared up because he had to go to a certain place to get fingerprinted.....
buffalobo
03-30-2020, 14:22
Based on my experience, they do call the police, at least sometimes. About four years ago, I was at Rapid Fire Bunker waiting for my CBI check, and two Littleton officers came in, walked right up to some guy like they knew him, and told him they need to speak with him outside. As I was leaving the store about fifteen minutes later, I saw that the guy was handcuffed.
I'm sure it wasn't about parking tickets, as I had a few unpaid ones myself, and I was approved to proceed with the transfer.If those unpaid parking tickets result in a warrant then CBI will be more than happy to notify local PD you are waiting for them to come to gun shop and arrest you.
As was mentioned in another post can go back and pick up gun later after pay bond and promise not to ignore the judge again.
Rucker61
03-30-2020, 14:57
Is it really worth the resources at any level of government to prosecute these? Other than picking up people with active warrants...
The unconstitutional check worked as intended and prevented someone from exercising their right to bear arms with the blessing of the government overlords.
In 2010, that was 54,000 felons and other prohibited persons identified as committing a felony by lying on the Form 4473. That's 54k criminals who were left alone to get a gun some other way. If they were in prison, it isn't likely they would be committing crimes against society, especially with an illegally acquired gun. They left their name, address and phone number. How hard should it be to find them?
Rucker61
03-30-2020, 14:59
I don't know anything of their conviction rate. I do know that the US Attorney's threshold for prosecution is generally pretty high. A few years ago, I investigated a tax fraud case where the feds were out over a million and the state was out around $80K and I ended up charging in the state as the AUSA wasn't interested.
Here's some data:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/a1632.pdf
Little Dutch
03-30-2020, 15:49
Here's some data:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/a1632.pdf
In 2010, the FBI
and state agencies denied a firearm to nearly 153,000 persons due to National Instant
Criminal Background Check System (NICS) records of felonies, domestic violence
offenses, and other prohibiting factors.
I was denied at least 4 times last year because of my last name confusion. Are those rejections part of that number? I bet they are and it's an incredibly inflated number to help justify the system.
Rucker61
03-30-2020, 21:18
In 2010, the FBI
and state agencies denied a firearm to nearly 153,000 persons due to National Instant
Criminal Background Check System (NICS) records of felonies, domestic violence
offenses, and other prohibiting factors.
I was denied at least 4 times last year because of my last name confusion. Are those rejections part of that number? I bet they are and it's an incredibly inflated number to help justify the system.
The first linked document shows only 72k denials for 2010, and 34k were felons, 14k were fugitives, and 7.7k violated state law.
Woohoo, my clearance came back today-hallelujah! To refresh-submitted on the 20th.
Cabelas said 1 week waiting.
blacklabel
03-31-2020, 14:38
I'm hoping for mine to clear Thursday. I submitted this past Friday.
Rucker61
03-31-2020, 14:41
I'm hoping for mine to clear Thursday. I submitted this past Friday.
My LGS said 6 days this morning, with 8100 people still in queue.
Well, here it is! The media has latched on to the fact that by law a dealer can sell a person a gun if their background check hasn?t been returned after 3 days.
https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-gun-dealers-can-sell-firearms-without-completed-background-checks-due-to-states-massive-backlog/
?Before the coronavirus outbreak, it usually took the Colorado Bureau of Investigation eight minutes to process a firearms background check. But now, because of the surge in gun purchases, ittakes about 3 days to get a background check completed.
That has become an issue for the state because, according to federal law, it only has three business days to process a background check before a gun dealer can sell the gun without one completed.
FOX31 has confirmed that at least one Coloradan was able to purchase a gun even though the background check was denied.?
Little Dutch
03-31-2020, 17:17
The first linked document shows only 72k denials for 2010, and 34k were felons, 14k were fugitives, and 7.7k violated state law.
That adds up to 55.7k, ~77% of the total. That's a big number of valid rejects. I'm actually surprised.
Little Dutch
03-31-2020, 17:18
Well, here it is! The media has latched on to the fact that by law a dealer can sell a person a gun if their background check hasn?t been returned after 3 days.
https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-gun-dealers-can-sell-firearms-without-completed-background-checks-due-to-states-massive-backlog/
?Before the coronavirus outbreak, it usually took the Colorado Bureau of Investigation eight minutes to process a firearms background check. But now, because of the surge in gun purchases, ittakes about 3 days to get a background check completed.
That has become an issue for the state because, according to federal law, it only has three business days to process a background check before a gun dealer can sell the gun without one completed.
FOX31 has confirmed that at least one Coloradan was able to purchase a gun even though the background check was denied.?
Some officials running for office, including former Gov. John Hickenlooper, have called on Congress to close this regulation.
what a bunch of shitheads.
A friend bought a handgun last Tuesday. Just went and picked it up today. Seven days start to finish. Crazy. Like back when we had the ten day wait period.
Some officials running for office, including former Gov. John Hickenlooper, have called on Congress to close this regulation.
Is that what his aide told him to do?
JohnnyDrama
03-31-2020, 17:41
My LGS said 6 days this morning, with 8100 people still in queue.
That's basically what I heard. The guy behind the counter was excited that the number was less than 10,000.
Is that what his aide told him to do?I will admit...
I spit beer over that. Thanks
Sent from somewhere...
Just picked one up took 7 days
battle_sight_zero
03-31-2020, 19:43
Just picked one up took 7 days
Me too. 7 days as well.
Let them close it. Then we have a valid constitutional argument for deprivation of rights. With the "loophole", 99% gun dealers won't release it for civil liability anyway. The sole reason the 3 day exemption exists is to theoretically deny the constitutional argument, while in practice not actually existing as a real "loophole", letting them infinitely delay checks whenever they so desire. 2012 was 11 days+ around christmas if memory serves.
blacklabel
04-01-2020, 15:37
I submitted Friday night around 530 and it came back at 3 today. Wait times are coming down.
.455_Hunter
04-01-2020, 16:06
The number of available guns and available customers are not infinite, so it makes sense the numbers are coming down.
whitewalrus
04-01-2020, 16:07
I submitted Friday night around 530 and it came back at 3 today. Wait times are coming down.
Will probably get my call tomorrow then. I put in Saturday afternoon.
blacklabel
04-01-2020, 16:16
The number of available guns and available customers are not infinite, so it makes sense the numbers are coming down.
Just providing an example of where we're at for others that are waiting.
.455_Hunter
04-01-2020, 16:21
Just providing an example of where we're at for others that are waiting.
Please don't take my comment the wrong way. I appreciate the backlog updates.
Let them close it. Then we have a valid constitutional argument for deprivation of rights. With the "loophole", 99% gun dealers won't release it for civil liability anyway. The sole reason the 3 day exemption exists is to theoretically deny the constitutional argument, while in practice not actually existing as a real "loophole", letting them infinitely delay checks whenever they so desire. 2012 was 11 days+ around christmas if memory serves.
It will be very bad political moves for democrats.
Those first gun buyers who are Democrats probably got very frustrated from their first buying experience.
Hope that alone can swing small numbers to Republican.
It will be very bad political moves for democrats.
Those first gun buyers who are Democrats probably got very frustrated from their first buying experience.
Hope that alone can swing small numbers to Republican.
It won't be an instant conversion. It will happen gradually. When CN(N) goes on about loopholes and machine guns, they will look back and wonder wtf. Then they will catch them in a lie about another thing and then a nagging thought about news lying and agendas will creep in. But yes, many have been red pilled and they don't even know it.
battlemidget
04-01-2020, 18:20
FoxNews gained the most viewers in Q1 compared to CNN and MSNBC.
https://www.thewrap.com/fox-news-ratings-records-1st-quarter/
About 4-5days now.
Did a background at 3/31 Tues for my kid's 10/22, and going to pickup this afternoon.
WillysWagon
04-04-2020, 13:35
Put paperwork in last night, the wait begins [Beer]
So, I waited about 15 minutes to get in, and waited about 5 minutes to pickup the firearm at Cabelas (144th & I25).
WHile waiting for a gun, I've talked (with distancing) to a first time gun buyer. He said he was very excited and even try to get my name and number, because he doesn't know too much of anything. I believe he got the P229.
I gave him my number , and even gave him the address to this site. Told him that gun community is very very friendly community. :D
mindfold
04-04-2020, 15:20
Told him that gun community is very very friendly community. :D
So do you lie to everybody you meet for the first time? JK. Great to see our site helping new owners out!
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I went to Guns For everyone (for the first time). I stay on the line which was formed. I was 2nd one in, and found out it was for a class. :)
Later, I went into the store. No lines,and brought my firearm to transfer it to buyer.
Currently the store said, about 3 days.
Transaction is changed a little due to the wait. Leave the firearm, and they told buyer to pay the seller. Then they call when background is done for a buyer.
If not passed, they said buyer needs to make an arrangement with store.
So, I waited about 15 minutes to get in, and waited about 5 minutes to pickup the firearm at Cabelas (144th & I25).
WHile waiting for a gun, I've talked (with distancing) to a first time gun buyer. He said he was very excited and even try to get my name and number, because he doesn't know too much of anything. I believe he got the P229.
I gave him my number , and even gave him the address to this site. Told him that gun community is very very friendly community. :D
Good on you. [Awesom]
One of my sons and I went to the Sportsman?s Warehouse in Parker today, he bought a Sig 356, they told him 3-4 days. By the way they had a pretty decent stock of ammo. Limit 2 boxes (regardless of rounds per box) per caliber per customer. I picked up some American Eagle 556 and 45
rxgremlin
04-09-2020, 17:19
Anybody know what the wait is now?
AirbornePathogen
04-09-2020, 17:27
Anybody know what the wait is now?
Just talked to one of the guys at Iron Horse Armory, he said it's down to about 24 hours.
hollohas
04-09-2020, 17:47
Ark says down to 6 hours.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200409/031876d9bc364361c600672b62bf7a62.jpg
Ark says down to 6 hours.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200409/031876d9bc364361c600672b62bf7a62.jpg
Good news!!
I need to buy one of the budget lower.
Nice. Now if the Sig I bought last month would finally get to my dealer...
That's awesome. We should all go buy guns to celebrate.
UrbanWolf
04-09-2020, 17:58
That's awesome. We should all go buy guns to celebrate.
Retail therapy is good stuff.
blacklabel
04-09-2020, 18:00
Retail therapy is good stuff.
Story of my life the last couple of weeks.
That's awesome. We should all go buy guns to celebrate.
LMAO! [ROFL3]
That's awesome. We should all go buy guns to celebrate.
It would help if I was actually making money through this mess.
hollohas
04-10-2020, 12:55
Down to minutes...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200410/155df73a2249d3d82003493df70c6ad3.jpg
That's awesome. We should all go buy guns to celebrate.
So now we can take Irving?s advice?
(Kind of like unclogging the toilet and then immediately sitting down to take a poop.)
UrbanWolf
04-10-2020, 15:02
So now we can take Irving?s advice?
(Kind of like unclogging the toilet and then immediately sitting down to take a poop.)
Sounds like my retail therapy is delayed because of his advice.
OneGuy67
04-10-2020, 15:34
Just left Damage Factory. They have been restocked with all sorts of fun, new toys! Go grab them while you can!
lpgasman
04-11-2020, 11:43
Bought one this morning, 20 minutes. Rocky mountain pawn in brighton has a ton of 7.62x39 5.99 box of 20
kidicarus13
04-11-2020, 12:15
Bought one this morning, 20 minutes. Rocky mountain pawn in brighton has a ton of 7.62x39 5.99 box of 20Sounds like the rush on guns in Colorado is finally over. ...for now.
SouthPaw
04-11-2020, 14:41
CBI did some major internal changes as well as bring in extra help for anyone that was available. I also heard they stopped letting people submit requests after they were closed since a lot of stores were submitting all of theirs at the end of the night.
funkymonkey1111
04-15-2020, 16:18
All of a sudden 1100 in the queue--3 hour waits.
thedave1164
04-15-2020, 16:27
All of a sudden 1100 in the queue--3 hour waits.
people got the trumpbux/donald dinero
gots to get a new gat yo
Maybe the people with the stimulus money are out buying guns.
ChickNorris
04-15-2020, 17:06
Actually, my bil & his wife got both of their stimulus deposits this morning.
TEAMRICO
04-15-2020, 17:49
No stimulus here.
Nephew is still waiting for his approval for a rifle at Springs Armory. Paid for the BGC at 1:08. Nothing yet.
I'm betting CBI doesn't pay people to sit and wait. The moment they caught up I wouldn't be surprised if their new workers got furloughed. Gotta maximize the profit margin....
people got the trumpbux/donald dinero
gots to get a new gat yo
Tru Dat!
JohnnyDrama
04-16-2020, 18:42
Any updates on the wait time?
I've got an itch....
funkymonkey1111
04-16-2020, 20:03
Any updates on the wait time?
I've got an itch....
about 5:15 this evening around 6pm. Approx 1200 in the queue.
JohnnyDrama
04-16-2020, 20:22
about 5:15 this evening around 6pm. Approx 1200 in the queue.
So if I get to the store early, I can scratch that itch by tomorrow evening....[Shotg]
TEAMRICO
04-16-2020, 20:46
Nephew got his call at 10:00 this morning. Drove down and picked it up with no other problems......other than thinking he misspelled his middle name wrong!!!
...misspelled his middle name wrong!!!
"Misspelled wrong" - that means he spelled it correctly, right? :)
O2
TEAMRICO
04-17-2020, 08:27
Yeah, that did not make sense after careful review.
thedave1164
04-17-2020, 11:54
Any idea on the current wait time?
To Bear Arms
04-17-2020, 12:51
Currently there are just over 1300 waiting. Says about 1 day wait.
I submitted one yesterday afternoon and it had come back today before lunch. About a day.
JohnnyDrama
04-17-2020, 13:51
I was told 21 hours around 12.30 today.
I bought a G20 on Tuesday and the wait time was about an hour. I assume it's climbing again with the weekend approaching.
Folks spending their Trumpbux. I'm still looking for mine.
thedave1164
04-17-2020, 14:54
Folks spending their Trumpbux. I'm still looking for mine.
Mine was already spent before it hit the bank LOL
bunch of mags, AR parts, Vortex PST 6-24x56 FFP mil/mil scope......
hollohas
04-17-2020, 15:22
I don't like government checks, but since they forced us out of work, it's the least they could do I guess. That said, I LOVE how so many people are using the checks to buy guns.
I don?t anticipate a big check from the government based off of what I read about it.
Also, if I do end up getting anything it will just go right back to them in July when I file my taxes and pay them the rest of what I owe them for last year.
In the meantime, I am going to do my best to inject little or no money into the economy and sit back and watch the shit show unfold.
I do agree it?s cool to see so many people apparently spending their government handout on guns.
blacklabel
04-17-2020, 18:00
Mine was already spent before it hit the bank LOL
bunch of mags, AR parts, Vortex PST 6-24x56 FFP mil/mil scope......
Body armor, plate carrier, placard and ammo. Thanks Trump!
I just had an useless asshat backed out on a deal the last hour, because he didn't want to wait 2 days for the background.
His name and address is....
tactical_2012
04-19-2020, 10:15
How does it work when doing private transfers with the wait time? Does the FFL hold onto it until background check is done?
At least guns for everyone told seller to leave the firearm and pay the seller.
if buyer has a hiccup, buyer needs to make arrangement with the store.
Little Dutch
04-21-2020, 11:18
I just had an useless asshat backed out on a deal the last hour, because he didn't want to wait 2 days for the background.
His name and address is....
I'm thinking about backing out of a sale currently because I don't want to drive to an FFL twice for a 2 day background check, and I'm the one doing to selling...
Did they tell the seller to bring the firearm upon buyers background approval?
I'm thinking about backing out of a sale currently because I don't want to drive to an FFL twice for a 2 day background check, and I'm the one doing to selling...
Isn't the process to goto the the FFL, seller takes the cash, seller transfers firearm to FFL, seller/buyer pays transfer fee, buyer fills out the form & seller says goodbye to the purchaser and goes home. Anything after that is between the FFL & purchaser.
whitewalrus
04-21-2020, 14:44
Isn't the process to goto the the FFL, seller takes the cash, seller transfers firearm to FFL, seller/buyer pays transfer fee, buyer fills out the form & seller says goodbye to the purchaser and goes home. Anything after that is between the FFL & purchaser.
Most do it this way as they have to log it in their book. So even to give back to the seller they would have to do the BCG. But I can see them not wanting to do it this way if they do not handle consignment or do not have the space.
Guess you should call the place you were planning on transferring and see how they do it.
whitewalrus
04-21-2020, 14:46
I just had an useless asshat backed out on a deal the last hour, because he didn't want to wait 2 days for the background.
His name and address is....
Makes sense if they had to drive a long way for the deal, but not to back out at the last hour. I wouldn?t want to have to drive across the state twice for a transfer.
Sorry your deal didn?t go thru
JohnnyDrama
04-21-2020, 14:50
Just in case anyone "needs" a reason to buy a gun...
https://youtu.be/dFQIps07HPQ
Here's Colin Noir on Alyssa Milano. Support your local gun store!
Little Dutch
04-21-2020, 16:11
Just in case anyone "needs" a reason to buy a gun...
https://youtu.be/dFQIps07HPQ
Here's Colin Noir on Alyssa Milano. Support your local gun store!
I was right there with her. All these guns could be used in the home, on the streets, etc. Then she wrecked it by somehow making that a negative.
powerstroke79
04-21-2020, 17:48
4pm yesterday received the call 1130am this morning
funkymonkey1111
04-21-2020, 17:58
4pm yesterday received the call 1130am this morning
1:47 right now
Hope background time slows down so that I can start list some again. This 1 day + is a deal killer.
It fluctuated between 5 to 30 min most of the day
The Norseman
04-29-2020, 08:02
I front loaded the process. Knowing a G29 was showing up on Monday, I stopped by LGS on Friday. Everything was quick and easy other than the actual LGS whom I had never patronized before (may not again).
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powerstroke79
04-30-2020, 18:08
In at 10:15 out at 10:30
In at 10:15 out at 10:30
Oh yeah? Did you buy anything or just go in to browse?
We need clarification.
Oh yeah? Did you buy anything or just go in to browse?
We need clarification.
Still a "smart-ass" I see..............
[Coffee]
( i would have responded the same way.)
powerstroke79
04-30-2020, 22:28
Oh yeah? Did you buy anything or just go in to browse?
We need clarification.
Transfer
I got a call from damage factory for a pickup around 5pm.
They said it is running 45-65 minutes.
Probably going there tomorrow to pickup.
.455_Hunter
05-05-2020, 23:03
Stopped by the Thornton Sportsman's this evening...
Three people sitting and waiting for CBI.
Handgun ammo stocks very low- just occasional single or couple of boxes for a given loading. Plenty of HSM .44 special. Only bulk packs were UMC's wimp-o-matic .38 special 130 gr FMJ loading. Saw one box of 9mm- 25 round of Hornady 115 gr CD. .223/5.56 gone. Looked like a case of Geco 7.62x39mm had recently been broken down on the shelf. For some reason, .30-30 had been hit hard. 12 ga slugs and buck gone, a few boxes of 20 and 410 buck available. Low on .22 500 rd bulk, but plenty of .22 in smaller boxes or packages (like the CCI pink bullet bottle).
Went in there at 11:15am. Took about 40 minutes on a background.
.455_Hunter
05-09-2020, 16:17
Lots of 9mm 115 gr FMJ and .223/5.56mm 55 gr FMJ at Sportsman's Thornton today is anybody is interested.
buffalobo
05-09-2020, 16:26
Lots of 9mm 115 gr FMJ and .223/5.56mm 55 gr FMJ at Sportsman's Thornton today is anybody is interested.How is pricing?
.455_Hunter
05-09-2020, 21:39
How is pricing?
Sorry- I was just strolling through and didn't look that close. I did happen to see the brass case Geco 7.62x39 was $9.99 / 20. There was something like a 4 box limit per caliber per customer.
Probably 15 minute line to get in. I usually don't do lines, but I needed inert bear spray for training our daughter and fishing stuff for Mother's Day.
KevDen2005
05-15-2020, 21:04
About 75 minutes this afternoon
KevDen2005
05-15-2020, 21:05
How is pricing?
Seeing lots at 50 cents per round for .223. A little too high for me.
buffalobo
05-15-2020, 21:10
Seeing lots at 50 cents per round for .223. A little too high for me.At fifty cents a round I will buy another Dillon.
At fifty cents a round I will buy another Dillon.
Oh yes.
Great-Kazoo
05-16-2020, 08:15
At fifty cents a round I will buy another Dillon.
Not for at least the next 3+ weeks, depending what it is. Their carbide dies are on B/O for unknown time frame. Small items are shipping, a brass tumbler (CV-2001) 3 weeks potential for release.
Pending their suppliers opening up, or able to import to them.
buffalobo
05-16-2020, 08:23
Not for at least the next 3+ weeks, depending what it is. Their carbide dies are on B/O for unknown time frame. Small items are shipping, a brass tumbler (CV-2001) 3 weeks potential for release.
Pending their suppliers opening up, or able to import to them.Could probably just find Hoser junk pile to assemble presses and fill some of Dillons backorder.
You been filling Dillon backorders from your bone pile?
Wait times are going back up.
Waited close to a month for a rifle to come in and now over a thousand in the wait list. Dam rioting protesters set the gun buying off again.
I went to damage factory to transfer and buyer backed out due to 18 hour wait.
Wasted half of my day.
I asked buyer to coordinate everything prior to contacting seller. Fk...
I was at Green Mountain today, and I overheard a salesman telling someone there is a 21 hour wait.
So we're in round two of the 2020 firearm purchase panic? Or is this stimulus related?
colorider
06-03-2020, 19:07
People are arming up. Again. Just in case the riot shitbags come into their neighborhood. Or attack otherwise. Lots of articles out there about it.
I have nothing for sale now or forever that will violate state law. But tonight on TV I will watch thousands of people flaunt state law [facepalm]
.455_Hunter
06-04-2020, 09:30
Wednesday evening the handgun and MSR ammo situation at the Thornton Sportsman's was pretty bleak. Some 5.7, .32 long, .41 mag, 10mm, and .454. Quite a few Win .40 Defend in 20 Rd boxes and Geco 7.62x39 for $10/20. No 9mm, .45 or .223/5.56.
Sigh, I'm going there today on the way to shoot and needed to pick up a few boxes. Oh well.
funkymonkey1111
06-04-2020, 10:44
So we're in round two of the 2020 firearm purchase panic? Or is this stimulus related?
Covid, stimulus, riots.
More than 2 million Americans became first-time gun owners this year, trade association says (https://www.foxnews.com/us/americans-buying-guns-second-amendment)
During a record number of firearm sales in the first part of the year, more than 2 million Americans became first-time gun owners, a firearms trade association said Monday.
Firearms retailers estimated that 40 percent of their gun sales during the first four months of 2020 were to first-time buyers, according to a survey by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), an American national trade association for the firearms industry.
kidicarus13
06-04-2020, 10:54
I have nothing for sale now or forever that will violate state law. But tonight on TV I will watch thousands of people flaunt state law [facepalm]What does this even mean?
What does this even mean?
We have ridiculous wait times on a constitutional right, and there have been riots and looting all over the country for almost a week.
Where 2A is most limited you'll also find the rioting and looting. Coincidence?
.41 mag
Didn't even know that was on the shelf... Anywhere.
[Someone who actually owns a .41 mag]
O2
It's probably the same boxes of .41 Mag that have been on the shelf for years now. It seems to escape the runs on ammo purchases.
.41 mag is e candy corn of ammo.
.41 mag reminds me of Desert Eagle. :)
More than 2 million Americans became first-time gun owners this year, trade association says (https://www.foxnews.com/us/americans-buying-guns-second-amendment)
So, two million more on "our side" now?
So, two million more on "our side" now?
Or, maybe a few Karens that will make SBRs with a cutoff wheel in their back yard.
Maybe when this is all over we can get some great deals on 'like new' firearms that have never been shot?
kidicarus13
06-04-2020, 13:58
Maybe when this is all over we can get some great deals on 'like new' firearms that have never been shot?No, most new gun owners won't sell their newly acquired Taurus G2, they'll just stick it up in the closet for next time.
No, most new gun owners won't sell their newly acquired Taurus G2, they'll just stick it up in the closet for next time.
I know of 3 of those that were recently purchased, by people that already have firearms.
No, most new gun owners won't sell their newly acquired Taurus G2, they'll just stick it up in the closet for next time.
Well, those salesmen should be fired. I would have my guys push high end guns on the newbies. Cha-Ching.
Probably got them at Bowers. I hear they're big sellers.
TEAMRICO
06-04-2020, 19:25
Probably got them at Bowers. I hear they're big sellers.
Oooooh snap! It’s on!!!!
Taurus G2 and some variants (compact and newer model name) must be really popular. My wife's former coworker bought a Taurus as their 1st.
beast556
06-05-2020, 17:48
I had a g2 and it was a good pistol, I only sold it because I have to many carry guns that size. With that said toreass has put some steaming piles of shit out over the years.
funkymonkey1111
06-05-2020, 19:06
back down to 7 hours now.
the panic is on again, over 1900 in queue and approvals taking just over 22 hours as of 20 minutes ago...
powerstroke79
06-08-2020, 15:41
Was told at 2:30 this afternoon wait time was 1 day 22 hours
UrbanWolf
06-09-2020, 09:50
I don't remember 24 hour+ wait times from 2013 panic, why?
I don't remember 24 hour+ wait times from 2013 panic, why?
It was something like 10 days back then.
I'm sure the lack of staffing due to 'Rona is part of the delay.
24 plus hours at 12:30 today
glenncal1
06-09-2020, 16:12
Damage factory quoted me 2-3 days as of this afternoon.
I got lucky and got in before the rush. Yay me!
wctriumph
06-09-2020, 22:42
Kind of killed the “long drive” deal .
Great-Kazoo
06-09-2020, 23:11
Damage factory quoted me 2-3 days as of this afternoon.
DAMN it's a 5 minute deal down here, with a ccw. Granted there were 1/2 doz people ahead of me, buying guns, still.
Guess they keep up this peaceful protest shit and everybody with a pulse will own a gun
DAMN it's a 5 minute deal down here, with a ccw. Granted there were 1/2 doz people ahead of me, buying guns, still.
Guess they keep up this peaceful protest shit and everybody with a pulse will own a gun
"You don't need a gun. If someone is trying to break into your home, call the police."
[hahhah-no]
If i was living in AZ, i would be doing ftf deals and not worrying about ffls. I miss the pre 2013 days.
hurley842002
06-10-2020, 08:33
If i was living in AZ, i would be doing ftf deals and not worrying about ffls. I miss the pre 2013 days.
Did my first FTF deal in AZ just the other day, what a great feeling of freedom!
SideShow Bob
06-10-2020, 15:59
I wonder what the wait time in Seattle is now...........
^ my guess is higher queue than we are, but shorter time.
^ my guess is higher queue than we are, but shorter time.
They have 10 day waits for handguns and semi-auto rifles (which also require proof of safety training). Background checks go through local law enforcement, which also slows things down.
I think their legislature also just created a requirement for 10 day waits for serialized receivers/frames (such as AR lowers) for people that build their own.
I think they have a plan to have their own state background checks like we have with CBI, but it probably won't be an option for several years.
Still no mag limits, though their big city libs keep trying.
Great-Kazoo
06-10-2020, 21:16
If i was living in AZ, i would be doing ftf deals and not worrying about ffls. I miss the pre 2013 days.
Our garage sale had 2 tables of guns to sell. A lot of bolt action and handguns, some semi rifles
An Interesting observation.
LOTS of women were not only familiar with the selection, but handled them very proficiently. A few asked if there was any ammo with them. 1 woman was interested in the Krag since it has lots of brass, she felt comfortable loading on her 550. . Not the husband, boyfriend etc, but her 550. Even better, their average age was definitely over 65-70
Lots of Trump 2020 hats. Yeah, i see lots of white guilt / antifa, rampaging through this town.
newracer
06-10-2020, 23:10
A friend of mine is looking to purchase a pistol soon and he said a small local store told him they can get the background check done faster than a bog box store. I thought they all just got in the same queue no matter who the seller is.
It is my guess, but They probably meant they can submit it to queue faster than box stores. Box stores probably reads 4473 about 4 times before submitting it due to their silly policies.
.455_Hunter
06-13-2020, 10:33
Anybody have a current update on the waiting time?
nighterfighter
06-13-2020, 10:43
Anybody have a current update on the waiting time?
I was at the range/store yesterday, and asked out of curiosity (Looked at picking up a Hellcat). Was told around 3 days.
newracer
06-13-2020, 22:01
It is my guess, but They probably meant they can submit it to queue faster than box stores. Box stores probably reads 4473 about 4 times before submitting it due to their silly policies.
While at the box store they told him the current wait was about 3 days, the small shop said they could get it done faster.
funkymonkey1111
06-13-2020, 22:14
While at the box store they told him the current wait was about 3 days, the small shop said they could get it done faster.
Would be interested to know how they do that
Great-Kazoo
06-13-2020, 23:33
Would be interested to know how they do that
They don't have 1/2 doz people reread the 4473 then wait for a mgr to approve it. before submitting online.
It's amazing how many guns are being sold, between da virus and peaceful protesters. People are going nuts.
Went looking for a carbine for the spouse, was told there were 6 in stock @ davisdons. The counter help says i can order that, after i take care of these 2 people. Go to order it 15 min later and.... SOLD OUT!
With that said, for those needing to do a BGC at an AZ ffl. It's running 10 min, tops.
funkymonkey1111
06-14-2020, 09:07
They don't have 1/2 doz people reread the 4473 then wait for a mgr to approve it. before submitting online.
that may shave a few minutes off the process prior to submitting the form, but does nothing to get a background check performed quicker
Aloha_Shooter
06-14-2020, 09:48
A salesman made a claim to garner a sale that doesn't make sense? Heavens, that's shocking! Surely worth 7 posts!
If you believe everything a salesman tells you, you've got larger problems than the wait time for CBI to process your request.
Picked mine up at Cabela's in Lone Tree yesterday. Took just under 24 hrs. to come back. Once they are entered into CBI they all take the same amount of time to be processed. Up to CBI and their backlog at that point. Throughout the day CBI's estimated wait time fluctuates between 1 and 2 days. As previously stated, someone was feeding a little BS in order to make a sale.
.455_Hunter
06-16-2020, 13:53
My Saturday purchase ready for pick-up today.
Linkless
06-16-2020, 21:44
I was told 2-3 days, so now I wait.
So if I want a rifle or receiver, I can just go to Cheyenne and get one if the wait is shorter in WY?
Pistols are still instate only, right?
powerstroke79
06-17-2020, 20:19
Sumitted Monday 415pm approved Wednesday 630pm
nighterfighter
06-17-2020, 21:17
Purchased a new handgun today, form submitted around 7PM today (6/17/2020). Was told about 3 days still.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-18-2020, 12:13
Just talked to Firing Line and they said 3-4 days. Jesus. I thought they had to kick it loose after 24 hours?
I submitted a 4473 yesterday at about 1300 and was told 2 days and 2 hours.
funkymonkey1111
06-18-2020, 14:14
Just talked to Firing Line and they said 3-4 days. Jesus. I thought they had to kick it loose after 24 hours?
how did you arrive at that conclusion?
kidicarus13
06-18-2020, 14:19
how did you arrive at that conclusion?Probably getting confused with this:
When a check requires more information, the FBI has three business days to make a final determination on the buyer. If a decision can?t be made in that time, a licensed dealer is allowed by law to go ahead and sell the firearm, in a sale referred to by the FBI as a ?default proceed.?
I want another 10/22. Cheapest one is at walmart for $222.
I dont know I wanna go through walmart selling procedure.
I didn?t know Walmart still dealt with evil, mass destruction items.
I didn?t know Walmart still dealt with evil, mass destruction items.
Brighton has 'em
KevDen2005
06-19-2020, 13:27
The wait times have to come down soon, the shelves are bare everywhere I checked out...
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-19-2020, 14:42
The wait times have to come down soon, the shelves are bare everywhere I checked out...
I went in to do a transfer at FrontLine and I thought if I was going to fill out a 4473 and wait a few days, I might as well get something else. They had some guns, but nothing really compelling.
Great-Kazoo
06-19-2020, 14:42
The wait times have to come down soon, the shelves are bare everywhere I checked out...
That's not only limited to CO.
rxgremlin
06-23-2020, 15:08
Anyone do a background check in the last day or so?
wctriumph
06-23-2020, 16:02
I sold a gun Sunday and the buyer was told it would be two to three days, they said they would call him when done.
Coworker did a background check over the weekend. I think he?s hoping to pick his item up this afternoon.
I was in a couple gun stores today, 3 day wait.
UncleDave
06-23-2020, 16:59
3500 in the queue today
TEAMRICO
06-23-2020, 18:46
Nephew bought a shotgun yesterday and they told him maybe by Thursday.
nighterfighter
06-23-2020, 21:45
For the background check I had started on the 17th, I was able to pick up the gun on the 20th.
funkymonkey1111
06-24-2020, 13:02
3500 in the queue, officially over 3 days now.
Put mine in Thursday, was told to expect a call Monday or Tuesday
Submitted Thursday afternoon around 4:15, got the good word 4p Saturday.
My son bought a rifle yesterday morning (Saturday) and was told possibly Monday but more like Tuesday
callerys
07-01-2020, 10:03
Are there still long waits? Not real excited to drive to the FFL twice.
Yea, mine took 3 days, still running 3+ days as of yesterday
cfortune
07-01-2020, 13:34
I submitted one on the 18th that still hasn't come back...
hollohas
07-01-2020, 13:42
My guess, there will continue to be waits this long or longer until at least November. If you're in the market for something, might as well just get it now rather then wait for it to speed up. I seriously doubt we'll see same day approvals again this year.
My son bought a rifle yesterday morning (Saturday) and was told possibly Monday but more like Tuesday
Son got a call this morning, 3.5days to process
Updates?
I have a buyer who wants to transfer
Can buyer initiate a background without seller and I can just show up with firearm when buyer gets approved?
funkymonkey1111
07-05-2020, 17:52
Updates?
I have a buyer who wants to transfer
Can buyer initiate a background without seller and I can just show up with firearm when buyer gets approved?
No.
2 days, 4 hours. 2133 in the queue
Batteriesnare
07-05-2020, 18:01
Updates?
I have a buyer who wants to transfer
Can buyer initiate a background without seller and I can just show up with firearm when buyer gets approved?
You can meet and initiate the process. FFL takes posession until buyer passes. Once FFL has it in their books sellers job is done. Get paid and go home.
If it's someone you dont know I'd have them sign a paper saying if they fail Bgc they forfeit payment and you go back to FFL and pick up the gun.
Thanks for the input.
This is more complicated process than shipping it to a different state.
Last one I did was ffl told buyer to pay seller and do background. If buyer some how fails bg, they said it is between FFL and buyer.
Maybe 2 ARs and one AR pistol left at Scheels. Beginning of the year they had about 40 in the cage.
It warms my heart.
BlasterBob
07-05-2020, 20:57
If it's someone you dont know I'd have them sign a paper saying if they fail Bgc they forfeit payment and you go back to FFL and pick up the gun.
Then are you expected to have to fill out a 4473 to reclaim your own firearm AND wait for the Background Check?[blaster]
Then are you expected to have to fill out a 4473 to reclaim your own firearm AND wait for the Background Check?[blaster]
Happened to me once. I was PISSED! Had to pay for the check to get it back, too.
^ that is what I am afraid of.
I will probably tell the buyer that I won't be leaving my firearm with FFL.
Take buyers money, leave thier new gun at FFL.
If they fail BGC, its between them and the FFL. You have your money, move on.
Thanks for the input.
This is more complicated process than shipping it to a different state.
Last one I did was ffl told buyer to pay seller and do background. If buyer some how fails bg, they said it is between FFL and buyer.
Take buyers money, leave thier new gun at FFL.
If they fail BGC, its between them and the FFL. You have your money, move on.
Yup that is what I did on last transfer. I will tell the buyer that or I would rather keep my firearm.
Crazy FFL holding my firearm for 3 days(place known for breakins) is crazy, but paying for it to get my own gun back will drive me insane.
Yup that is what I did on last transfer. I will tell the buyer that or I would rather keep my firearm.
Crazy FFL holding my firearm for 3 days(place known for breakins) is crazy, but paying for it to get my own gun back will drive me insane.
The last gun I sold we met at the FFL and the buyer paid me before he started the BCG.
The Norseman
07-07-2020, 19:17
Anyone know if the wait is as long in WYO (for a long gun)?
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Anyone know if the wait is as long in WYO (for a long gun)?
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What about Farmington? A lot closer to Durango than WY
callerys
07-08-2020, 09:34
I was told today that over 1800 in the queue and to expect 2+ days
Possibly going to one of FFL today. Buyer agreed to pay $ before firearm goes out of my possession.
The Norseman
07-08-2020, 10:08
What about Farmington? A lot closer to Durango than WY
Usually, except when I?m in WYO for a week.
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RCCrawler
07-08-2020, 15:16
I purchased a firearm at noon on Monday, and got the all clear call at 2 pm on Tuesday, 26 hours...
Submitted around 1p Tuesday, waiting to hear, can’t get back to the store until Saturday so no biggie for me.
Went to TripleJ at about 6:15. Waited 20 minutes and RO guy came to do transfer.
Money paid before transfer. Buyer checked the firearm twice in detail and he was extremely happy about being like new.
.455_Hunter
07-09-2020, 18:52
9mm on the shelf at Sportsman's Thornton right now!
CCI Blazer Brass 115 gr FMJ Box of 50 = $12.49 (or $11.87 with Uncle Sam's Discount Club)
Sig Sauer 115 gr FMJ Box of 200 = $59.99
Limit 200 rounds of 50 round packed ammo per caliber, or one 200 round multi-box.
Won't last long!
Buyer Intel forum...maybe?
thedave1164
07-10-2020, 07:04
I submitted around 11:30 am on Tuesday and got the call around 4:30 pm on Wednesday
So 29 hours give or take
29 is good.
I left the rifle on wed 6:15ish and buyer probably got it by then or probably going to pick it up today.
funkymonkey1111
07-18-2020, 15:57
Still 2500 in the queue....
Was in Murdoch's in Longmont earlier today and guy was buying a AR and was told it'll be about 2days to get the BGC back.
Bought a new shotgun yesterday and was told 23 hours with a laugh and a wink - prob more like 2 days
Edit: got message done and ready for pickup today
TEAMRICO
07-18-2020, 18:57
Bought a Glock Tuesday, picked it up Thursday at 3:45.
thedave1164
07-22-2020, 19:56
What is the latest?
What is the latest?
It's still 2 days with 2K+ in queue. CBI was down for entries for most of the day.
beast556
07-22-2020, 21:03
. CBI was down for entries for most of the day.
Thats our money hard at work for us.
funkymonkey1111
07-23-2020, 09:58
It's still 2 days with 2K+ in queue. CBI was down for entries for most of the day.
wasn't it NICS down instead of CBI?
The Feds trying to slow down the push for new gun purchasers? [tinhat]
thedave1164
07-25-2020, 10:57
Submitted Thursday around 9:30 am, got the call yesterday at 4:30 pm so 31 hours or so
wasn't it NICS down instead of CBI?
NICS first, then CBI had problems.
If the software I work on went down with about 2000 requests per day I'd be fired.
ETA:. Hell if it went down with 2000 requests per second I'd still be in trouble
kidicarus13
07-26-2020, 22:45
If the software I work on went down with about 2000 requests per day I'd be fired.
ETA:. Hell if it went down with 2000 requests per second I'd still be in troubleYa but it's the state so it's kind of expected.
wctriumph
07-27-2020, 11:32
I did a transfer last Sunday morning and I got the approval in 6 hours .
So, if a person was to go buy a firearm today could he actually get through the process without making a second trip back?
I?ve been eyeballing something in the trading post but haven?t been overly interested in making multiple trips to complete the transaction.
thedave1164
07-31-2020, 08:19
So, if a person was to go buy a firearm today could he actually get through the process without making a second trip back?
I?ve been eyeballing something in the trading post but haven?t been overly interested in making multiple trips to complete the transaction.
I started a BGC on Tuesday about 11:30, got the call yesterday at 4:30, so probably not
Thanks.
I guess I?m going to keep holding off on buying any firearms right now.
All of the really good shops to deal with are thirty miles south through the heart of Denver and it?s lovely traffic. Making that crappy drive once to go pick something up isn?t the worst thing but making the trip down and forking over cash and filling out the paperwork only to leave empty handed and then make another trip back in a day or two just has zero appeal to me.
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