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cableguy11
03-14-2020, 12:20
Background check estimates are at 17hrs. I went to buy a lower this morning...there were 1700 in the queu. The madness continues...
Holger Danske
03-14-2020, 12:31
Make sure that you pick up your .22 ammo.
Absolutely nuts!! Just ran into the same thing. This is fucking stupid.
Lol that is retarded. Don’t people plan ahead?
Maybe it’s in part due to less federal workers in their end right now?
TEAMRICO
03-14-2020, 13:45
Was getting two Lowers and was told the same thing.
Probably go back tomorrow.
whitewalrus
03-14-2020, 14:02
I?m sure it?s an increase in the amount of purchases as well as having less staff. Gun sales were already going up - think they set a record in JAN
Absolutely nuts!! Just ran into the same thing. This is fucking stupid. Does everyone know something that we don't? As dumb as this seems, the TP hoarders take the cake on stupid.
blacklabel
03-14-2020, 14:37
I'd been procrastinating on an order from PSA. I can't wait to see how long that takes to ship.
Rucker61
03-14-2020, 15:43
Maybe it’s in part due to less federal workers in their end right now?
I hear it's CBI, not NICS.
battlemidget
03-14-2020, 16:19
I think it got up to 21 hours at one point earlier today. I stopped by walmart supermarket to pickup some stuff, shelves getting emptied.
OneGuy67
03-14-2020, 16:25
Bass Pro was wiped of ammo too.
Cabela's out of ammo 18-24 hour cbi and almost sold out of firearms. As per an employee in termykf firearm stock an waiting.
It's 911 and Obama's second election all over again. Yesterday was certainly the wrong day buy a gun or look for ammo. Today apparently worse. The stores are innundated and common ammunition is sold out. I didn't expect to see a rush like this until September.
I ordered a gun last week and went to pick it up Friday morning. Waited an hour and a half just to begin the process and the CBI background check took another 4 hours.
Cabela's Thornton told me they had put out 50,000 rounds of 9mm Thursday morning and it was all gone by early evening.
Last evening I bought the last box of 9mm at the Longmont Murdoch's. Glad I've got about 4K of 9mm, but wish I had some to sell.
Just wait until October when the media is cheering for Joe and Hillary.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2020, 17:57
CBI wait times? Cash n carry down here.
However i got to SW @ 9:10 friday morning. They are having a 3 day sale on firearms & ammo, advertised a week ago.
They were handing out numbers as the amount of people at the counter had grown to 50+ I thought something was up as i've never seen that SW parking lot that full. At the most it's maybe 1/2 doz cars at any time.
I know on line reloading components are sparse, if not OOS.
Maybe it?s in part due to less federal workers in their end right now?
That's what I was thinking, but at the state level.
spqrzilla
03-14-2020, 18:26
The people buying guns today are people without any or maybe just an unsuitable ones. They are in essence new recruits and new resistants to gun control in the future.
Maybe they need all the guns to protect their toilet paper hoards.
eddiememphis
03-14-2020, 18:39
My neighbor told me she added 20k to her portfolio last week. I wish she would have had the insight to buy twenty grand worth of toilet paper. Set up a road side stand and make 300%. You know panicky idiots would pay $18 bucks per roll.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2020, 20:43
My neighbor told me she added 20k to her portfolio last week. I wish she would have had the insight to buy twenty grand worth of toilet paper. Set up a road side stand and make 300%. You know panicky idiots would pay $18 bucks per roll.
should be $22, to cover her share of CO's road tax. Just saying.
I was in Cabela's this morning at 11AM and saw a gun in the used guns I wanted. They told me it was 17 hours on BGC, I said not an issue I would pick it up Monday. They called me at 5:05PM to tell me I could pick it up. I think it's a ploy to get people to put the guns down and walk away. And since I was there, I picked up a 1000 rds of .22 just in case I need to barter for TP in 6 months when I run out.
The people buying guns today are people without any or maybe just an unsuitable ones. They are in essence new recruits and new resistants to gun control in the future.
Some for sure, but not many from what I saw yesterday. Given the extended wait time I talked with a number of people who went to buy guns and everyone had some firearms but wanted other options. The many buyers I met may not have our experience but they are headed there.
I met a Vietnamese immigrant, a hobbyist shooter who wanted another pistol. She ended up buying two for home and business.
Acetylcholine
03-15-2020, 07:11
CBI says 2426 in the que this morning. 18.5 hour wait.
TEAMRICO
03-15-2020, 10:40
Just got the call I was approved. God how does my buddy in CA wait 10 days! Hahahaha
OctopusHighball
03-15-2020, 12:28
Just got a text from my FFL on a item I had shipped to him (M17 Surplus), he told me 2603 in queue. Good gravy!
Just got the call I was approved. God how does my buddy in CA wait 10 days! Hahahaha
Yep. Washington state can be up to 10 days depending on the item. They don't have a statewide system and purchases go through their local law enforcement agency.
I was at Franktown Firearms yesterday around 4:00 pm. There were over 4,000 people in the queue with CBI at that time. 18 hour estimated wait. Let the panic begin....
I was at Franktown Firearms yesterday around 4:00 pm. There were over 4,000 people in the queue with CBI at that time. 18 hour estimated wait. Let the panic begin....
Crap. I had them order a target rifle for my son. Now I doubt I'll get it before spring break is over. Not that he's actually going back to school anytime soon.
TEAMRICO
03-15-2020, 13:29
Sportsman’s Warehouse was picked clean. All popular calibers and the dehydrated foods were all gone.
Got my lowers and was told I was lucky for getting them in yesterday. Crazy wait times now.
Enjoy the panic folks!
Good luck fellow Americans.
Last time I remember long waits was 2008 IIRC. Was leaving to go back on the road for work and popped into Jensens to grab a OD G19 but couldn't due to wait.
I went to cabelas to buy some 338lapua ammo. They only had PPU.
JohnnyEgo
03-15-2020, 14:53
Had to go to the Target on Arapahoe yesterday because it was apparently the only Target in the world with the dress my wife wanted for her birthday, and they wouldn't ship it or hold it. Anyways, while I was down there, I figured I'd stop by Centennial and fiddle with the Korth I want. Walked in, walked right back out. Shelves were empty, place was packed. Haven't seen anything like it since right after Sandy Hook. Made me very happy I have everything I need in life, and the patience to forgo some of the things I want.
battlemidget
03-15-2020, 15:10
I'm hoping this is just a temporary bump in prices and not the start of a trend. I see alot of dry fire training in my future.
osok-308
03-15-2020, 16:51
Glad I bought my lower a week ago. BGC were about an hour. Just happened to be right around the time that this whole fiasco was starting. Just got lucky. Hopefully in a couple of weeks everything will be back to normal.
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Interesting times, rather it's overblown or the real thing, certainly something we will remember for a while.
When I Left work at ~7pm, queue was ~3200 and CBI was claiming 1 day, 2 hours. We had a guy that we submitted at 2pm yesterday that hadn't cleared yet, so in reality it's over 1 day, 6 hours.
O2
This is nuts!! I have an out of state purchase incoming hopefully by mid-week. Hope I can pick it up by the weekend to go shoot!!
Crap. I had them order a target rifle for my son. Now I doubt I'll get it before spring break is over. Not that he's actually going back to school anytime soon.
I'm sure without a doubt Shawn and the folks down there will do everything to accommodate you. They are amazing folks and hopefully soon you will be seeing my kydex holsters down there. Almost every employee down there is wearing one of mine.
wctriumph
03-16-2020, 11:33
I went through the BGC process Saturday, was told over 1900 in the que, would most likely have to come back on Sunday.
I received the call to come back in 4 hours later .
SouthPaw
03-16-2020, 11:41
I went through the BGC process Saturday, was told over 1900 in the que, would most likely have to come back on Sunday.
I received the call to come back in 4 hours later .
A friend of mine bought his first handgun on Saturday AM and didn't receive a call to pick it up till this morning. I am sure with the extended BGC times plus the influx of customers, it was delayed all over. I would guess CBI has brought in extra help to bring these numbers back down.
I would guess CBI has brought in extra help to bring these numbers back down.
And I am surprised they don?t shut things down and send their employees home for a couple of weeks and flat out stop processing background checks at all.
And I am surprised they don?t shut things down and send their employees home for a couple of weeks and flat out stop processing background checks at all.
This is coming. I give it 2 more days.
Is there a time limit before its just given to the buyer?
DenverGP
03-16-2020, 15:25
Yup, this has been discussed by the gun-grabbers as one of the "loopholes" in the process... I believe after 3 days, if the FFL has not received the decision, it may legally proceed anyway.
whitewalrus
03-16-2020, 15:52
Wouldn?t the CO state law on transfers prohibit the allowed transfer after no response? Or does it not apply to FFLs?
Just got an email from Target Sports USA. If you're buying ammo, expect a 10-day delay due to volume.
Just went through it, was told maybe tomorrow, probably Wednesday.
OctopusHighball
03-16-2020, 16:21
Just got a text from my FFL on a item I had shipped to him (M17 Surplus), he told me 2603 in queue. Good gravy!
Still in queue, current queue nearly 4k. That's 28 hours plus right now.
Sportsmans Warehouse has imposed a limit of 2 handgun and 1 MSR purchase per customer per day. They've also limited ammo purchases.
(at least in WA, but I expect it to be pretty much everywhere)
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When panic sets in, people stock up on guns and ammo. I don't understand why they don't prepare before a crisis hits. There is always one more coming.
I believe after 3 days, if the FFL has not received the decision, it may legally proceed anyway.
You're right, but during the last big panic, when CBI backlog was about 3 weeks, I didn't hear of a single metro area FFL allowing the sale to proceed.
I happened in to one of my preferred shops, found a really good deal on a pre-owned unfired Colt 6920 so I couldn't say no. Otherwise the other gun I'm waiting on is the 5" Colt Gunsite, bought it without being aware of the backlog problem. This problem is everywhere, the seller told me the line was too long at his shop for the time he could wait to get it shipped, will be going back tomorrow, I'm cool with that. Figure it'll be next week before I'm able to bring that one home!
blacklabel
03-16-2020, 21:39
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My order from them delivers this week. I got in just in time.
I hope all my car parts still show up. I'm down to my last few I need to receive before I can put everything in.
Wow. Those scumbags over at Cheaper than Dirt are back to their gouging antics.
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KevDen2005
03-17-2020, 01:01
Wow. Those scumbags over at Cheaper than Dirt are back to their gouging antics.
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Shouldn't this be in the funny pictures thread?
TEAMRICO
03-17-2020, 05:45
Dirt must be at a premium if that cost less than dirt!
Shouldn't this be in the funny pictures thread?
Who's laughing? The demand for guns and ammo right now is an indicator of the extent of the panic.
DenverGP
03-17-2020, 09:06
Who's laughing? The demand for guns and ammo right now is an indicator of the extent of the panic.
I think it also shows a whole lot more "non gun people" who may have been on the fence about gun rights are now admitting that if shit really gets bad, they'd prefer to be able to protect themselves...
I think it also shows a whole lot more "non gun people" who may have been on the fence about gun rights are now admitting that if shit really gets bad, they'd prefer to be able to protect themselves...
Precisely. When push comes to shove, you're on your own.
Just remember CTD when it comes to future purchases. They've done this repeatedly.
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Bailey Guns
03-17-2020, 10:30
When panic sets in, people stock up on guns and ammo. I don't understand why they don't prepare before a crisis hits. There is always one more coming.
No kidding. I've never needed an excuse to buy guns and ammo. Some might say my supply is...adequate.
lpgasman
03-17-2020, 11:23
I wonder when OD Green is going to reopen?
Haha.
When panic sets in, people stock up on guns and ammo. I don't understand why they don't prepare before a crisis hits. There is always one more coming.
Something about this... There's always one more gun that I'd like to have. I buy that one, then there's one more next in the list.
These wait times suck. I'd like to sell my Glock 23, but I think it will be quite a hassle for the buyer and me to wait a day or two. That is almost to the point of needing the FFL to escrow the deal.
.455_Hunter
03-17-2020, 12:17
Interesting that just a month or two ago, we were exploring if $299 was the bottom price for an entry level AR platform, and how far under $10 per box would vendors sell brass case 9mm range ammo.
OctopusHighball
03-17-2020, 13:55
Still in queue, current queue nearly 4k. That's 28 hours plus right now.
Took 49 hours, but I am finally done. Current queue is 5180, and was 2603 when I entered. So... Expect 4 days?
OneGuy67
03-17-2020, 16:53
Just left Damage Factory. Queue was 5,238 as I left. Totally wiped of firearms. People just grabbing stuff off the shelves. Saw an Asian woman trying to figure out how to operate a bolt action rifle by swinging it all over.
Prediction: CBI will close the office that processes background checks in the next 24 hours, for a minimum of 60 days.
I think it will be quite a hassle for the buyer and me to wait a day or two.
Imagine one year which is what us stamp collectors face...
O2
Yea, been there a few rounds.
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Just left Damage Factory. Queue was 5,238 as I left. Totally wiped of firearms. People just grabbing stuff off the shelves. Saw an Asian woman trying to figure out how to operate a bolt action rifle by swinging it all over.
Wiped, as in completely sold out? How's the inventory at other stores? Has anyone been to Green Mountain lately?
Just left Damage Factory. Queue was 5,238 as I left. Totally wiped of firearms. People just grabbing stuff off the shelves. Saw an Asian woman trying to figure out how to operate a bolt action rifle by swinging it all over.
Wiped, as in completely sold out? How's the inventory at other stores? Has anyone been to Green Mountain lately?
.455_Hunter
03-17-2020, 17:39
I was at Green Mountain yesterday. Lots of guns there in all price ranges. I specifically remember seeing an detachable box mag Rem 870 for something like $479.
Just left Damage Factory. Queue was 5,238 as I left. Totally wiped of firearms. People just grabbing stuff off the shelves. Saw an Asian woman trying to figure out how to operate a bolt action rifle by swinging it all over.
Free laser tag. :)
Everyone trying to avoid gun noobs swinging muzzle everywhere.
I've got to say, it makes me feel a bit giggly, happy, to see people exercising their rights to bear arms.
People that are diametrically opposite of me, women, exercising their right to bear arms.
etc.
This is a good thing.
-John
This is a refresher on why 2A is important.
fright88
03-17-2020, 20:44
This may be a dumb question or even in the wrong place and if so I please feel free to move/remove. But I am curious what is procedure in events like this with private party transfers? Does the FFL take possession of the firearm until CBI is passed? Or do you come back when it is passed and complete the sale at that point? If the latter can the buyer just go in with the gun info so the seller doesn't have to make 2 trips?
Free laser tag. :)
Everyone trying to avoid gun noobs swinging muzzle everywhere.
Oh man. That is really accurate. I've been swept more than a few times this week. I have seen a few people looking at or buying guns who I REALLY hope get some training.
48 hours as of yesterday....
lpgasman
03-18-2020, 10:47
Just went to a pawn shop in Brighton, was told CBI isn't accepting any more applications.
OctopusHighball
03-18-2020, 11:02
Just went to a pawn shop in Brighton, was told CBI isn't accepting any more applications.
Da fuq?
lpgasman
03-18-2020, 11:06
I remember after sandy hook there was over 14000 applications, I had to wait 2 weeks to get approved, now there's 7000.
whitewalrus
03-18-2020, 11:18
This may be a dumb question or even in the wrong place and if so I please feel free to move/remove. But I am curious what is procedure in events like this with private party transfers? Does the FFL take possession of the firearm until CBI is passed? Or do you come back when it is passed and complete the sale at that point? If the latter can the buyer just go in with the gun info so the seller doesn't have to make 2 trips?
Pretty sure they take it and log into their books before they run the background on the buyer. So they would hang on to it. But you would have to ask the FFL you are looking to use.
Submitted roughly at 1:30p Monday, still waiting-or at least no call back from the shop.
Apologies, I originally said I submitted Saturday
OctopusHighball
03-18-2020, 18:55
Just went to a pawn shop in Brighton, was told CBI isn't accepting any more applications.
I just checked with my FFL, they said applications are still being taken and that CBI stated they were adding more people to work after hours to clear backlog.
I'll leave it to you to decide if the pawnshop straight up lied to you or not.
OctopusHighball
03-18-2020, 18:56
Oh, and he said current queue was over 6500.
Precisely. When push comes to shove, you're on your own.
Just remember CTD when it comes to future purchases. They've done this repeatedly.
ETA:
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I've thought of Cheaper Than Dirt as Dirtier Than Dirt, or The Dicks That Dick's Always Wanted To Be.
OctopusHighball
03-18-2020, 19:30
I've thought of Cheaper Than Dirt as Dirtier Than Dirt, or The Dicks That Dick's Always Wanted To Be.
I learned my lesson in 2014/2015 with CTD, I haven't darkened their door step since.
lpgasman
03-18-2020, 22:48
I just checked with my FFL, they said applications are still being taken and that CBI stated they were adding more people to work after hours to clear backlog.
I'll leave it to you to decide if the pawnshop straight up lied to you or not.
Maybe he just misunderstood what was told to him. I can't believe he would outright lie to me, but who know's.
WillysWagon
03-19-2020, 10:21
Went and bought a pistol at my LGS last night, CBI is running and it's business as usual (except for the delay).
Waiting in que was around 6,300 when I did my paperwork.
UncleDave
03-19-2020, 10:26
I was at Noah's yesterday and they told me they have smashed their record for Black Friday sales. My understanding is that CBI only has 72 hours to run the background then you can pick up the weapon, or has that changed?
Wow, I picked up a rifle last Friday and my FFL said the queue was over 700 then. Guess I picked the right day!
Murdochs was mostly out of defensive guns. Most semis gone. All but 2 ARs gone.
I am curious if this is peiple adding to their stocks, or newbs.
If newbs, then welcome to the party pal.
SouthPaw
03-19-2020, 10:56
I was at Noah's yesterday and they told me they have smashed their record for Black Friday sales. My understanding is that CBI only has 72 hours to run the background then you can pick up the weapon, or has that changed?
Yes and no. If NICS provides a 'delayed' response, it is up to the FFL if they want to complete the transaction after three business days. I don't know any FFL that would proceed without confirmation (myself included) especially during these times. I'd be curious to know the number of declined applications right now.
Source: https://www.atf.gov/file/61086/download
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ryorourke
03-19-2020, 11:09
Fun article about new people trying to buy guns. (short story - new gun buyers are surprised you can't order them online and have it shipped to your house.
https://concealednation.org/2020/03/anti-gun-people-now-want-guns-and-theyre-surprised-you-cant-buy-them-online-and-have-them-shipped-to-their-homes/
My bet is mostly n00bs. If you have some and are wanting to add to your collection, this would be a bad time to do it. Pricing isn't exactly optimal. ;-)
http://youtu.be/DZLQRA5XwPY
Fun article about new people trying to buy guns. (short story - new gun buyers are surprised you can't order them online and have it shipped to your house.
https://concealednation.org/2020/03/anti-gun-people-now-want-guns-and-theyre-surprised-you-cant-buy-them-online-and-have-them-shipped-to-their-homes/
But but but what about the loophole thingys.......
Cleared around 10a this morning, only 6 customers in the shop when I went in to pay/pick up. This was a buy on a hard to find gun at a really good price that I happened to find hiding at the back of the rack lol.
UncleDave
03-19-2020, 16:51
Yeah when I was in Ark there were at least 5 noobs getting their first HD
How's inventory at the shops?
I'm glad its noobs and they are learning how regulated guns are. Now will come the realization: media is wrong about this, what else are they lying about.
whitewalrus
03-19-2020, 19:06
I'm glad its noobs and they are learning how regulated guns are. Now will come the realization: media is wrong about this, what else are they lying about.
Never let truth get in the way of passing a good gun control bill.
whitewalrus
03-19-2020, 19:06
Well guess I should say common sense gun safety legislation as they no longer use the term control when talking about it.
Great-Kazoo
03-20-2020, 00:30
I'm glad its noobs and they are learning how regulated guns are. Now will come the realization: media is wrong about this, what else are they lying about.
It will not bother them a bit to remain loyal to the anti-gun agenda D party. After all they got their gun, who cares. Do you think they'd remember the ability, although a long one (as it should be, according to them) to buy a gun. Or that college loan forgiveness, biden will give them?
...but...but...the media and my Congress...persons said I could just buy one on the Internet and have it delivered to my door. [hahhah-no]
Rucker61
03-20-2020, 06:54
I'm glad its noobs and they are learning how regulated guns are. Now will come the realization: media is wrong about this, what else are they lying about.
I think they're going to walk away with "they let someone as dumb as me buy a gun. We need mandatory training requirements now!"
This was pretty good . . .
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DavieD55
03-20-2020, 09:33
No sales in TN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYD5J3gILSc&feature=emb_rel_end
In Damage Factory now, 10 people in line, pretty good stock on the walls, pistol case on the slim side. Pick ups are from background submitted 3 days ago.
Zundfolge
03-20-2020, 12:50
If I understand the Brady Law correctly, if the FBI stops processing BGCs that means basically we revert to a system that is no-background check but with a 3 day waiting period (specifically designed this way so that they couldn't institute gun control simply by shutting down the BGC system).
I kinda think I'd rather live in a world where you didn't do a BGC but had a 3 day waiting period than a world where you had "instant" BGCs and no waiting period (I mean other than returning to how America was designed with neither).
I popped in at a local store for a red dot, and as far as gun sales they said about half the inventory has sold recently. Wow
There is one firearm listed on Trading post I am kinda interested to send offers, but I am going to wait out until there is less than a day delay on a 4473.
If I understand the Brady Law correctly, if the FBI stops processing BGCs that means basically we revert to a system that is no-background check but with a 3 day waiting period (specifically designed this way so that they couldn't institute gun control simply by shutting down the BGC system).
I kinda think I'd rather live in a world where you didn't do a BGC but had a 3 day waiting period than a world where you had "instant" BGCs and no waiting period (I mean other than returning to how America was designed with neither).
I like it just the way it is. Even though background checks don't prevent many evil doers from doing evil, the failure of the government to fully prosecute those who apply and are rejected for just cause exposes the hypocrisy of the BGC system and it's proponents.
In Damage Factory now, 10 people in line, pretty good stock on the walls, pistol case on the slim side. Pick ups are from background submitted 3 days ago.
Thanks for the field report, Doc. I'm glad to hear that inventory levels are still good. The shops looked depressing during the last panic, and it seemed to take only a few days to empty the display cases.
Btw. I remember when 4473 was yellow 25+back.
There was question section that if they commit a felony within 10 years or 15 years etc. Violent crime etc.
If I remember correct, even felon without any sort of crime for 10/15 years can pass background back then?
Anyone remember?
I like it just the way it is. Even though background checks don't prevent many evil doers from doing evil, the failure of the government to fully prosecute those who apply and are rejected for just cause exposes the hypocrisy of the BGC system and it's proponents.
Yeah, but no attention is ever drawn to the statistics that show that having the BGC systems aren't worth the expense poured into them. The conviction rate is barely better than the odds of winning the Lotto.
It's primarily a tax on firearm ownership, IMO.
Anyone ever have a BCG exceed the three days AND have a gun store let the weapon out the door?
I remember 11+ day wait times around 2012, and I never saw that. Ever. Granted, the store wouldn't have criminal liability, but they aren't immune from civil. The 3 day "opt-out" is lip-service, something to overcome constitutional arguments without actually being implemented.
Btw. I remember when 4473 was yellow 25+back.
There was question section that if they commit a felony within 10 years or 15 years etc. Violent crime etc.
If I remember correct, even felon without any sort of crime for 10/15 years can pass background back then?
Anyone remember?
No, a felony disqualified even on the previous version of the form.
No, a felony disqualified even on the previous version of the form.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I really didnt pay too much on 4473 back then and no where to even ask and discuss.
Three days for me. Got the kiddo's target rifle for 4H.
When I left Iron Horse on Thursday at 5 pm, there were 9,300 people currently waiting in CBI. Wait times were estimated at 18+ hours. My best guess would be 2 - 3 days.
Something to remember is the estimated wait time is only based on the front of the line, e.g. whose check they just cleared. So if we started this morning with a 10 minute wait time and add ten full days worth of people in line, it'll estimate no more than part of a single day wait for all of them as they process checks that day.
9,000 sounds like it may take upwards of 4-5 days unless they brought on extra staff.
Something to remember is the estimated wait time is only based on the front of the line, e.g. whose check they just cleared. So if we started this morning with a 10 minute wait time and add ten full days worth of people in line, it'll estimate no more than part of a single day wait for all of them as they process checks that day.
9,000 sounds like it may take upwards of 4-5 days unless they brought on extra staff.
They brought in extra people to help cut the back log. CBI is conducting checks 0900 to 2100 Monday through Friday. On Monday at 0900 there were 6300 in queue, by Thursday 1700 there were over 9,000. Approval times are right around 3 business days. At this point they are shoveling sand against the tide. I think the wait time will improve as stores run out of inventory to sell.
Mike
beast556
03-21-2020, 10:26
Thank you for the update Mike!!!!
I think the wait time will improve as stores run out of inventory to sell.
Hey now. You're edging into my territory of being master of the obvious. [Coffee]
Well, did one Friday for an out of state transfer that was just delivered to the store. Hope I get cleared and can pick it up before Gov Polesmoker declares "shelter in place" rules!
Bailey Guns
03-21-2020, 12:26
One of the things I really hated leaving behind in Idaho...no BGC for gun purchases. I haven't even been into a gun store since I've been in OK.
blacklabel
03-21-2020, 13:01
Well, did one Friday for an out of state transfer that was just delivered to the store. Hope I get cleared and can pick it up before Gov Polesmoker declares "shelter in place" rules!
I've got a lower coming in that I don't expect to see until May at this rate.
mindfold
03-21-2020, 14:30
I've got a lower coming in that I don't expect to see until May at this rate.
This....
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was in Dangerlee's this afternoon to file transfer paper for an out state purchase and was told that there are nearly 11,000 in the que ahead of me. The place was a buzz with a couple guys buying suppressors, and others purchasing other firearms. Maybe able to pick up in 4 days, maybe..
BPTactical
03-21-2020, 21:08
And now it appears the Feds are moving the bar on Delays.
As it is written:
If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after 3 business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL's discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer)
I have seen numerous references today on "that other site" that NICS "Delays" are not to be transferred until mid April.
A post quote:
I'm an FFL, and have received the long delay transfer date, and have been trying to figure this out. Here is what I think is happening. The Brady transfer date is 3 business days. The BATFE defines a business day as one where the state and federal gov'ts are working, which they are not for the next couple of weeks at least. So they pushed the date as far out as they could, and still keeping it under 30 days, when the 4473 expires. So for a NICS check on 3/20, the BTD is 4/15, and the 4473 expires on 4/19. So unless it comes back as "proceed" meanwhile, the transfer has to take place between 4/15 and 4/19, otherwise a new 4473 and NICS check has to be generated
Great-Kazoo
03-21-2020, 21:20
And now it appears the Feds are moving the bar on Delays.
As it is written:
I have seen numerous references today on "that other site" that NICS "Delays" are not to be transferred until mid April.
A post quote:
CCW permit here is like it use to be in CO. Fill it out pay for gun and walk out.
.455_Hunter
03-21-2020, 22:16
Stopped by the Thornton Sportsman's Warehouse this afternoon. Strict access control limiting to 50 people in the building at a time. Semi-auto handguns looked about 95% wiped out (a few pocket guns and higher end 1911's left, plus one Hi-Point. Revolvers about 50% gone, with the balance being mostly cowboy or big-bore stuff. Look like MSR's had been hit, but were a few left. Plenty of hunting guns of all types. Most .22 LR was gone except for the $8 per box Interceptor. I think I saw about 10 total boxes of handgun ammo- one .40, two .44 Special, two .41 Mag, one .454, two .460 and one .50 AE. All MSR ammo was gone except for a few boxes each of 7.62mm NATO ball, 6.8 SPC, and 5.45mm Soviet. A few people fondling a gun or two and filling out 4473s.
WillysWagon
03-22-2020, 11:22
LGS said their background check waiting list is at 12,000.
Murdoch's in Silverthorne has closed the guns/ammo dept., the rest of the store is open. Evidently you can buy-whatever they have-online, come in to the store to pick it up but no going in to that dept. to shop, too many people not "social distancing".
I?m waiting on a transfer from out of state. My FFL was supposed to send their info on Tuesday and didn?t. I called Wednesday and they said they would do it right away. I?m a bit worried that the impending shutdown will leave my package stuck in USPS limbo until it gets returned to the shipper. I was hoping the gun store would call me today so I could at least start the paperwork. It?s not an emergency, but I?m just hoping the seller doesn?t renege and sell it higher locally instead.
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I Just came from Sportman's warehouse. There is about 3-5 people in line to get in, and about 7 people waiting for gun counter.
Lots of 50bmg, 338 lapua magnum, 243win, 270, etc. Just none of popular rounds like 9/40/45/223,556/308/etc.
I might need to do more hw on 270gr hornday precision hunter.
https://i.imgur.com/GW6QTtu.jpg?1
Put in a 4473 on Friday for a rifle I had on order 2 weeks before, was told today that it should be back by tomorrow late afternoon... I'll update total time when I have rifle in hand
eddiememphis
03-23-2020, 16:41
https://i.imgur.com/GW6QTtu.jpg?1
$100??? Is that the normal price or is that Armageddon pricing?
Batteriesnare
03-23-2020, 17:16
$100??? Is that the normal price or is that Armageddon pricing?
I think that would be pretty normal pricing for .338LM GMM. ~$5/shot seems to be in the ballpark of what I remember.
$100??? Is that the normal price or is that Armageddon pricing?
Yeah. $100 per 20 round is normal since forever.
Some ppu or s&b brands are about 65ish per 20 round box.
Martinjmpr
03-23-2020, 18:13
So, serious question: Is this "run" coming from people who have NEVER owned guns suddenly wanting one? Or from people who already own guns wanting more guns?
The 2013 "ammo panic" was largely a response to an expectation of draconian laws (which ultimately never materialized) by people who were already gun owners.
I guess I'm just curious about the mentality of people who didn't think they needed or wanted a gun before and now all of a sudden they want one. I presume they are expecting civil unrest/rioting/looting etc, which AFAIK hasn't happened in the other areas hit by the virus.
There's a lot of discretionary income out there. Our Government is 20 Trillion Dollars in debt.
They're shopping because they can.
Today it's Guns, yesterday it was Land Cruisers, etc.
-John
fitterjohn
03-23-2020, 18:19
Same reason people that don’t stock a months supply of food are all the sudden grabbing at scraps. Th way never plan ahead for events. And they have never been raised to believe what’s happening could be happening
BPTactical
03-23-2020, 18:24
This is the result of 2 things:
Media hype.
Generations of people that have no concept of self reliance.
No clue for sure but I have a family friend in his thirties who approached me yesterday for advice as he is wanting to buy his first firearm. He?s looking at getting a handgun.
Anyhow, after telling him he picked a horrible time to buy, I quizzed him a bit on why he now decided he wanted to own a firearm.
To my surprise, it had very little to do with the current situation in our country. Apparently he has been wanting something for a while now and I think maybe it was just the right time for him financially. He said he used to shoot with friends when he was in high school and that those friends still shoot so wants something to have to go out with them. He also mentioned it would also serve as home protection but I didn?t really get the impression that was his main priority for purchasing.
I would guess there are quite a few factors for the recent run. I?m sure the uncertainty of how long this Covid19 stuff will drag out and the longer it does you know the panic and desperation could kick in on a large scale.
Martinjmpr
03-23-2020, 18:35
Same reason people that don’t stock a months supply of food are all the sudden grabbing at scraps. Th way never plan ahead for events. And they have never been raised to believe what’s happening could be happening
There's a difference between food and guns though. Most of us eat food every day. Toilet paper is also something we use every day. Both food and TP are consumable resources.
fitterjohn
03-23-2020, 19:17
There's a difference between food and guns though. Most of us eat food every day. Toilet paper is also something we use every day. Both food and TP are consumable resources.
So is ammo....
My anecdotal experience is while at the lgs on Friday, talking with the guys behind the counter, they estimated 75-80% we're all brand new gun owners... I talked to two, which weren't what we would consider "usual" gun folks, but they stressed they felt uneasy with the situation as it's unfolding with everything...also observed some very, shall I say, odd ducks perusing the cases and racks...
My anecdotal experience is while at the lgs on Friday, talking with the guys behind the counter, they estimated 75-80% we're all brand new gun owners... I talked to two, which weren't what we would consider "usual" gun folks, but they stressed they felt uneasy with the situation as it's unfolding with everything...also observed some very, shall I say, odd ducks perusing the cases and racks...
I agree that most are new buyers. At 9:00am the queue was 12,300 by 5:15pm it was 12,900. Last Monday morning it was 6,036.
Mike
fitterjohn
03-23-2020, 21:01
I agree that most are new buyers. At 9:00am the queue was 12,300 by 5:15pm it was 12,900. Last Monday morning it was 6,036.
Mike
is there a place you can see how many people are in the queue or do you just have to ask the store?
is there a place you can see how many people are in the queue or do you just have to ask the store?
You have to be signed onto CBI.
I see from the most recent relevant post there are 12k plus in the que anyone know the current wait time?
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I'm on day day 4 and was told should be today sometime this afternoon...
Good to hear, I’m the same. Hope it comes back and I can get to the store before closing otherwise hopefully no later than Wednesday.
Neither of my two purchases were “panic” buys-I believe the folks here aren’t like that. One was a pistol I’d been looking for, the other was a great deal on a Colt 6920.
Nice!... Same, mine was "tax return" lust gun lol... Hoping it's today as well!
funkymonkey1111
03-24-2020, 11:17
just saw that Centennial Gun Club is closing for 2 weeks. Wonder when/if others will follow
they said they'd call people to come get guns as they come off the waitlist
just saw that Centennial Gun Club is closing for 2 weeks. Wonder when/if others will follow
they said they'd call people to come get guns as they come off the waitlist
If they could close for good that would make me happy
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Current backlog is 12790 with an estimated time of 4 days, 20 hrs and 25 min.
Yup, Centennial closed, just drove by. Not a fan of the retail side but do enjoy shooting there when limited to indoors.
If they could close for good that would make me happy
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LOL! Never been impressed myself either.
Guys thanks for the daily update.
So, it's been since Friday at 1:20 pm, and was just told to expect it back tomorrow morning
funkymonkey1111
03-24-2020, 17:21
So, it's been since Friday at 1:20 pm, and was just told to expect it back tomorrow morning
i wonder how they know that?
i wonder how they know that?
They don't. It's just an estimate. If he was submitted Friday, it is a good guess that he should be processed by tomorrow.
battle_sight_zero
03-24-2020, 17:52
The excellent Damage Factory is shutting down tommorow . They will also call people when backgrounds clear. They did have a few nice firearms in stock and some sparse ammo supplies.
Yes sir, estimate like sroz said, bases on position in que... I hear it's approaching 13,000 now!
So, it's been since Friday at 1:20 pm, and was just told to expect it back tomorrow morning
I submitted just a short time after you, no word today, hopefully tomorrow, not sure if I can get to pick it up then or have to wait til Thursday [Cry]
Yea, I forgot how to have any Patience in my older age lol .... I'm a product of my generation for sure "want it now, get it now"
hollohas
03-24-2020, 21:23
The excellent Damage Factory is shutting down tommorow.
Why? That's not in Denver county, right?
I started my background on Friday mid morning and got a call today at 5:30 all clear. So technically a little over 4 days.
Sheesh.........................
Why? That's not in Denver county, right?
Tri-County Health putting the shelter in place rules in effect Thursday (Adams, Arapahoe and Douglas counties)
hollohas
03-25-2020, 09:57
Ah, gotcha.
BPTactical
03-25-2020, 11:46
Tri-County Health putting the shelter in place rules in effect Thursday (Adams, Arapahoe and Douglas counties)
Licensed Gun and Ammunition dealers are exempt per the Kings decree.
f. Essential Businesses. For the purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their
residence to work for or obtain services at any “Essential Businesses,” which for
purposes of this Order means:
i. Healthcare Operations and Essential Infrastructure;
ii. Grocery stores, certified farmers’ markets, farm and produce stands,
supermarkets, food banks, convenience stores, licensed liquor stores,
licensed marijuana dispensaries (both medical and recreational), and other
establishments engaged in the retail sale of canned food, dry goods, fresh
fruits and vegetables, pet supply, fresh meats, fish, and poultry, and any
other household consumer products (such as cleaning and personal care
products). This includes stores that sell groceries and also sell other nongrocery products, and products necessary to maintaining the safety,
sanitation, and essential operation of residences. Business exempt under this
provision are urged to implement delivery or curb side sales to minimize in
store gatherings;
iii. Food and plant cultivation, including farming, livestock, and fishing;
iv. Businesses that provide food, shelter, and social services, and other
necessities of life for economically disadvantaged or otherwise needy
individuals;
v. Newspapers, television, radio, and other media services;
vi. Gas stations and auto-supply, auto-repair, bicycle supply, bicycle repair,
and related facilities;
vii. Banks and related financial institutions;
viii. Hardware stores;
ix. Licensed gun and ammunition retailers;
hollohas
03-25-2020, 12:19
Licensed Gun and Ammunition dealers are exempt per the Kings decree.
That's good to hear.
This FFL exemption hasn't been added to Denver but oddly enough IS included in the Boulder County order (Page 7).
https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/denvergov/Portals/771/documents/covid-19/public-orders/DenverStayAtHomeOrder_DDPHE.pdf
https://assets.bouldercounty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/boulder-county-stay-at-home-order.pdf
EDIT: JeffCo Exempted FFL's too
https://www.jeffco.us/DocumentCenter/View/20742/JCPH-Public-Health-Order-20-002---STAY-AT-HOME
How's gun inventory in the shops today?
.455_Hunter
03-25-2020, 16:08
Just now- About 12-15 people standing in line 6 ft apart in the sun outside the Thornton Cabela's just waiting to get in. I wanted to stop by, but no thanks...
Great-Kazoo
03-25-2020, 16:15
Governor Doug Ducey’s recent Executive Order 2020-12 designates “firearm and ammunition suppliers and retailers for purposes of safety and security” under "Essential Businesses and Operations," exempting them from being shut down during this state of emergency. In doing so, Gov. Ducey properly upheld Arizona Revised Statute 26-303.J
Quick update, so I filled out my 4473 around 1 or 1:30 Friday, got the call today at 12:15 it was back... Crazy long wait times!
Quick update, so I filled out my 4473 around 1 or 1:30 Friday, got the call today at 12:15 it was back... Crazy long wait times!
You better go pick it up before tomorrow 6am :)
blacklabel
03-25-2020, 18:15
I've got a lower delivering to my FFL Friday... They better be deemed essential so I can get my 10 day wait background check in.
I've got a lower delivering to my FFL Friday... They better be deemed essential so I can get my 10 day wait background check in.
It was not on the list the news media was passing around of essentials but did not the official document order yet.
I am waiting for the lovely email that my gun club to is closing altogether. May have to shoot the prairie dogs in the large field in front of me, screw traffic on hwy 52.
cableguy11
03-25-2020, 18:22
Well technically traffic should be at a minimum...so I think you are good to go..Update I was able to pick up my lower on Monday after I started this post!
blacklabel
03-25-2020, 18:24
It was not on the list the news media was passing around of essentials but did not the official document order yet.
I am waiting for the lovely email that my gun club to is closing altogether. May have to shoot the prairie dogs in the large field in front of me, screw traffic on hwy 52.
California relented... We'll see how California Colorado is now.
hollohas
03-25-2020, 18:28
Yeah, most every county included FFL's as essential but the state didn't. Not cool.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/c4f8a62526b8a48b28945f655d378443.jpg
California relented... We'll see how California Colorado is now.
If CBI shuts down background checks that would be a clear sign.
The gun store in Denver that filed a suit, it was dismissed by the judge who said that they want a customer not the business to file it. So the gun-shop got someone to do it. It was only on one news outlet and no one else mentioned it in the news.
Denver gun shop owner files lawsuit against the city to change 'non-essential' status of his store (https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/denver-gun-shop-owner-files-lawsuit-against-the-city-to-change-non-essential-status-of-his-store)
blacklabel
03-25-2020, 18:36
According to this they'll stay open.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/25/colorado-stay-at-home-coronavirus-polis/
Yeah, most every county included FFL's as essential but the state didn't. Not cool.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/c4f8a62526b8a48b28945f655d378443.jpg
That is a list from State patrol, this news agency listed as on it?
What the order does
All of the details in the order were not immediately released. A copy of the document will be added to this story when it?s released to the news media.
But it generally mandates Coloradans stay home unless they need to leave for necessary business reasons or to get food, exercise or seek medical care.
Businesses deemed ?critical? are exempt. They must, however, adhere to strict social distancing measures. Critical businesses, activities and sites include:
Hospitals, pharmacies, veterinarians, and other health care providers
Utilities, oil and gas production operations, transportation infrastructure, hotels, and restaurants and bars offering takeout and delivery
Grocery stores, gas stations, gun stores, liquor stores, marijuana shops, banks, auto supply and repair businesses, and child care centers
The news media
Visits to family members or other loved ones who need help or medical care
Information on what penalties violators may face were not immediately released.
On Sunday, Polis said stay-at-home and similar shelter-in-place orders could not be enforced. ?No matter the way that these are being explained to people, there is no civil law enforcement authority that is in a position in any city or state to enforce these,? he said.
Guess we need to see the "official document"
Air Care CO closed all testing stations and DMV waived all penalties and fees if late.
Took your advice skully, picked it up, it was super weird as I was the only one in there..... They were expecting to get hammered again
Took your advice skully, picked it up, it was super weird as I was the only one in there..... They were expecting to get hammered again
the "Official" Document listed firearms stores. (they cant says FFL's)
So should be allowed to stay open but people will panic.
hollohas
03-25-2020, 18:47
That is a list from State patrol, this news agency listed as on it?
Guess we need to see the "official document"
Air Care CO closed all testing stations and DMV waived all penalties and fees if late.The State patrol is the law enforcement arm of the the state, so.... I trust them over a news article.
Either way, I haven't seen the official state order yet and haven't found a link to it yet.
Who wrote the order? His 12 year old niece? I think her spent more time on his announcement speech.
Horrible grammar, "Law of the land" Firearms store etc.
Eeeeesh!
The State patrol is the law enforcement arm of the the state, so.... I trust them over a news article.
Either way, I haven't seen the official state order yet and haven't found a link to it yet.
I just looked at it the official document, then lost the link, but Firearm stores was listed as stay open.
bellavite1
03-25-2020, 18:49
Is the actual State text out yet?
I'd like to know whether I am working tomorrow or not...
hollohas
03-25-2020, 18:53
I just looked at it the official document, then lost the link, but Firearm stores was listed as stay open.I've been looking since 5pm and can't find it. It took me like 5 minutes to find each of the county orders.. I'm stumped.
Is the actual State text out yet?
I'd like to know whether I am working tomorrow or not...
Yeah I just looked at it, found it;
https://wp-cpr.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/03/polis-stay-at-home-order-searchable.pdf (https://wp-cpr.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/03/polis-stay-at-home-order-searchable.pdf)
hollohas
03-25-2020, 18:56
Thanks.
Here's the full order... Updated to March 24th.
https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/denvergov/Portals/771/documents/covid-19/public-orders/DenverStayAtHomeOrder_DDPHE.pdf
-John
Oops, sorry, that is yesterday's order.
-John
As far as I know, they update that document every time they change their mind.
-John
hollohas
03-25-2020, 19:04
So many "Orders" so little time...oh wait...Lots of time actually.
Here's the full order... Updated to March 24th.
https://www.denvergov.org/content/dam/denvergov/Portals/771/documents/covid-19/public-orders/DenverStayAtHomeOrder_DDPHE.pdf
-John
Oops, sorry, that is yesterday's order.
-John
As far as I know, they update that document every time they change their mind.
-John
That is Denver's right?
Does the State have peemption, so the state overrules, probably not but they are all the same anyway.
I didn't realize this was (now) a state order.
I'll look at the state website.
-John
bellavite1
03-25-2020, 19:23
Nothing showing here yet...
https://www.colorado.gov/governor/2020-executive-orders
Defence is listed.
Looks like I can still go to karate, and pre-law class then.
Nothing showing here yet...
https://www.colorado.gov/governor/2020-executive-orders
It was a link from CO public radio; Polis Stay at home order (https://wp-cpr.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2020/03/polis-stay-at-home-order-searchable.pdf)
It was not showing it as a signed copy but I assuming the orders were given to the press at or shortly after the announcement.
bellavite1
03-25-2020, 19:53
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/23/4236d004-6efd-11ea-84c9-87104350dbf1/5e7bfee4800fe.pdf.pdf
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/coloradopolitics.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/23/4236d004-6efd-11ea-84c9-87104350dbf1/5e7bfee4800fe.pdf.pdf
You found the officially signed one, by CDHPE, huh???
Thought it was the Governor's thing, though the context is exactly the same as the press announcement version. Firearm stores are open.
[Coffee]
bellavite1
03-25-2020, 20:14
Hell, I guess I am good for something, occasionally...[Coffee]
I am waiting for the lovely email that my gun club to is closing altogether. May have to shoot the prairie dogs in the large field in front of me, screw traffic on hwy 52.
If I hear the shots, I?ll have to walk out and join you.
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Looks like I can still go to karate, and pre-law class then.
Since you replied with that, does that mean you ARE actually taking karate and pre-law class?
So you can be a ninja and know legally when to kick ass....................
If I hear the shots, I?ll have to walk out and join you.
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Depends on where in Dacono you are at? Off of Flying Circle blvd in an UN-mentioned development? [Beer]
Yep on Street circle.
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Yep on Street circle.
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Ah, we like super close neighbors then. I am hoping my shooting range/club doesn't close, I may get trigger happy without release if they do.
Yep on Street circle.
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I used to live at 125 on that road.
Since you replied with that, does that mean you ARE actually taking karate and pre-law class?
So you can be a ninja and know legally when to kick ass....................
Ha no. The rest of the family does Jiujitsu in the living room during live streams though currently.
I do wonder how broad the term of Financial Services and construction are described though. Due to no regular work, I find myself doing odd jobs lately.
Ha no. The rest of the family does Jiujitsu in the living room during live streams though currently.
I do wonder how broad the term of Financial Services and construction are described though. Due to no regular work, I find myself doing odd jobs lately.
At the end of the day, it is enforced by nobody except the cancel culture, e.g. modern brown shirts.
Not like anyone is actually issuing you a citation, though.
whitewalrus
03-25-2020, 21:51
Ha no. The rest of the family does Jiujitsu in the living room during live streams though currently.
I do wonder how broad the term of Financial Services and construction are described though. Due to no regular work, I find myself doing odd jobs lately.
?other related firms and professionals for who provide services necessary to
maintain the safety, sanitation, and critical operation of residences?
Handyman type services should qualify for this
Well today made it a week since I filled it out and still no word!!!! What the hell????? I did one on the 14th, was good to go on the 16th. I know CBI doesn't count the weekends but still. The shop isn't much help, nor is it the shop's issue-it lays at the feet of the state. Supposedly CBI background check people are working at home-sure as hell hope they have secure servers!!-I know people in other parts of the state that filled theirs out at the same time or even a day after me that have cleared. Trust me, I know I'll clear. Was told by the shop the clearances are being in done "in batches" and that some are going faster than others.
I double checked as I wanted to make sure I didn't screw up filling out the form, don't know if anyone at the shop might have done something or not (I doubt it but anything is possible with how busy they were).
I don't know and really don't care, it's just frustrating as hell. This is on an out of state transfer that showed up last week. The last time I looked at CBI's website they stated a 227% increase in checks compared to the same time frame last year.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cbi/firearms-instacheck-unit
Ok, lots of panic buyers, my purchase was made on the 15th so bad on me for finding the gun I wanted with the "panic" mode many noobs are in. If I don't get the call tomorrow (Saturday) to pick it up I'm screwed until the following Saturday April 4, can't get to the shop next week at all. What happened to the ffl being able to release the firearm after 3 days? Or is that an urban myth or is this weird situation we're in an exception?
I feel your pain Doc, as you and I are basically in the exact same boat as I purchased an out of state custom rifle and it arrived last Sat. and I filled out the paper work at that time and still no word. Sucks for sure. Our insta-check system sucks in times like these.
bellavite1
03-28-2020, 08:07
Yesterday was down to under 11000...
Slowly catching up...
blacklabel
03-28-2020, 08:51
Yesterday was down to under 11000...
Slowly catching up...
It was about 10k when I submitted mine at 530 last night.
Well today made it a week since I filled it out and still no word!!!! What the hell????? I did one on the 14th, was good to go on the 16th. I know CBI doesn't count the weekends but still. The shop isn't much help, nor is it the shop's issue-it lays at the feet of the state. Supposedly CBI background check people are working at home-sure as hell hope they have secure servers!!-I know people in other parts of the state that filled theirs out at the same time or even a day after me that have cleared. Trust me, I know I'll clear. Was told by the shop the clearances are being in done "in batches" and that some are going faster than others.
I double checked as I wanted to make sure I didn't screw up filling out the form, don't know if anyone at the shop might have done something or not (I doubt it but anything is possible with how busy they were).
I don't know and really don't care, it's just frustrating as hell. This is on an out of state transfer that showed up last week. The last time I looked at CBI's website they stated a 227% increase in checks compared to the same time frame last year.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cbi/firearms-instacheck-unit
Ok, lots of panic buyers, my purchase was made on the 15th so bad on me for finding the gun I wanted with the "panic" mode many noobs are in. If I don't get the call tomorrow (Saturday) to pick it up I'm screwed until the following Saturday April 4, can't get to the shop next week at all. What happened to the ffl being able to release the firearm after 3 days? Or is that an urban myth or is this weird situation we're in an exception?
I feel your pain Doc, as you and I are basically in the exact same boat as I purchased an out of state custom rifle and it arrived last Sat. and I filled out the paper work at that time and still no word. Sucks for sure. Our insta-check system sucks in times like these.
I am curious who your FFL is (you dont have to share) and make a suggestion it is the FFL you used. Something doesnt make sense?
I ordered a special lower from an online retailer two Mondays ago the 16th, it was shipped in 24hours and arrived at my FFL on Thursday the 19th. Friday the 20th I filled out my background. Got a call Tuesday the 24th at 5:30 the background cleared. At the time the background check list was what 11,000 to 14,000?
What happened to the ffl being able to release the firearm after 3 days? Or is that an urban myth or is this weird situation we're in an exception?
It's not a myth, but the law. The FFL is allowed, but not required to proceed. I've never heard of any of our local FFLs proceeding with the sale during any of the panics we witnessed around here. Perhaps some do that, but quietly, and only with customers they know, but I doubt it.
blacklabel
03-28-2020, 13:25
It's not a myth, but the law. The FFL is allowed, but not required to proceed. I've never heard of any of our local FFLs proceeding with the sale during any of the panics we witnessed around here. Perhaps some do that, but quietly, and only with customers they know, but I doubt it.
It should be mandated, especially for those with a concealed weapons permit. Hell, they could move those with a concealed weapons permit to the back of the queue to expedite things for others.
I wonder if CBI categorizes by the FFL log in? Each FFL gets their turn in cue for a background.
This would not be fair as it should be date / time it was submitted into the system not by FFL holder. For example my FFL I talked about is a shooting range and they sell guns, but it is a secondary part of their business as they sell mostly high end stuff and not hit as hard on sales as the main retail gun store.
Let us say in a given week they (Shooting range) had 10 in cue and a basic gun shop retailer had 30, the delay would be longer in clearing out the cue for the Gun retailer than my shooting range.
Just a theory........... but if you think about it that would be a logical reason some are taking longer than others when submitted at similar times. Be nice to have a insider to explain it.
I would think they are processed in the order that they come in and not as a bulk process per FFL. Difference might be if some are doing it electronically as in when you enter your info on an ipad vs other means.
well 7 days on the nose and I got the call. Hope Doc faired as well.
7 days or 7 business days?
They raised the background check fee saying they are raising the price so that they can hire more people and cross train. ................
well 7 days on the nose and I got the call. Hope Doc faired as well.
Nope, heavy sigh. Regardless of what day it comes in now I can't pick it up until next Saturday. Damn well better clear by then!!!!! The shop told me today there were 30 ahead of me just from them and none had been processed yet, that was right around noon.
Great-Kazoo
03-28-2020, 17:36
well think how easy this would be in CO IF there was no bgc for FTF.
Or as it was (briefly) in CO show CCW, pay and walk out, after the 4473 is filled out.
hurley842002
03-28-2020, 18:10
well think how easy this would be in CO IF there was no bgc for FTF.
Ohhh yeah, I still need to make a FTF transaction on principle.
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Why does it take more than a few seconds for a computer to cross check names vs lists of prohibited persons In the database?
I would think only those with a preliminary reject would need a person to verify rejection or override to approve.
The same system should be available to private parties yo comply with the universal rights denial requirement for private party transfers.
Friend bought two guns on Sunday. BGC cleared yesterday (Saturday).
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OneGuy67
03-29-2020, 12:12
Why does it take more than a few seconds for a computer to cross check names vs lists of prohibited persons In the database?
I would think only those with a preliminary reject would need a person to verify rejection or override to approve.
The same system should be available to private parties yo comply with the universal rights denial requirement for private party transfers.
Because there isn't a list of prohibited parties. The examiner goes through a series of databases in search of the information provided on the 4473.
'cuz guilty until proven innocent.
Because there isn't a list of prohibited parties. The examiner goes through a series of databases in search of the information provided on the 4473.
Are those data bases on paper? Or electronic?
Electronic queries for a name and other info, even in multiple databases takes seconds, not days.
If the electronic search returns nothing, instant approval. If there is a hit, then it gets a human review.
But based on my knowledge of the state OIT office, utter incompetence in creating programs.
OneGuy67
03-30-2020, 07:37
Are those data bases on paper? Or electronic?
Electronic queries for a name and other info, even in multiple databases takes seconds, not days.
If the electronic search returns nothing, instant approval. If there is a hit, then it gets a human review.
But based on my knowledge of the state OIT office, utter incompetence in creating programs.
The examiners take on average 7 minutes for each review. All electronic databases. None speak to each other. CCIC/NCIC, Immigration, CoCourts, etc. State OIT doesn't have anything to do with it. Third party software.
bobbyfairbanks
03-30-2020, 08:01
What are wait times at today
What are wait times at today
6 days, 17 hrs. Little over 9100 in queue.
I’m guessing the denials are increasing as buyers with “shady” backgrounds attempt to purchase legally!
I have often wondered if LEO gets a notification of a perp (not some Joe with an unpaid parking ticket) tries to buy a gun gets denied, if it’s a felony to falsify/lie on the BGC form is action taken?
Great-Kazoo
03-30-2020, 09:37
I’m guessing the denials are increasing as buyers with “shady” backgrounds attempt to purchase legally!
I have often wondered if LEO gets a notification of a perp (not some Joe with an unpaid parking ticket) tries to buy a gun gets denied, if it’s a felony to falsify/lie on the BGC form is action taken?
the only time we saw an LE respond to a bad 4473 bgc was when the guy had outstanding warrants. The cbi person asked if we could keep him there by saying the bgc was taking time, while LE was in transit.
Other than that, any denial was told to contact cbi as they did tell us why the buyer was denied.
OctopusHighball
03-30-2020, 09:38
The examiners take on average 7 minutes for each review. All electronic databases. None speak to each other. CCIC/NCIC, Immigration, CoCourts, etc. State OIT doesn't have anything to do with it. Third party software.
Initially, I was going to be flip and speak to the technical aspects of how those data sources could be combined to return instant results (it's actually my field of expertise).
But then, as I think it through, I'm not sure sure I WANT the state to have instant access to data at that scale. The fundamental issue is, we should not have to be subjected to this for something that is a RIGHT, plain and simple.
thedave1164
03-30-2020, 09:51
The fundamental issue is, we should not have to be subjected to this for something that is a RIGHT, plain and simple.
^^^^^^^ this
But then, as I think it through, I'm not sure sure I WANT the state to have instant access to data at that scale. The fundamental issue is, we should not have to be subjected to this for something that is a RIGHT, plain and simple.
Absolutely! I've been saying this as well. This illustrates how much 2A has been "infringed" when the government hoops aren't available. It shouldn't be this way. I should be able to hand my neighbor a gun to defend his home (as well as the neighborhood) without it being an illegal "transfer".
The government is in the way, and when it isn't functioning, can't be counted on and becomes another infringement that shouldn't even be there.
As to the prosecution for those that lie on a 4473, it's almost non-existent. The percentage is so low below 1%, you have to wonder why it's even there at all, at great expense to the taxpayers and our rights.
OneGuy67
03-30-2020, 10:28
I won't go into it further, but there are investigations into those who fail the background check and lie on the 4473. Instacheck forwards the most serious of violations for review. I personally have done about a dozen investigations, mostly felons attempting to purchase, but one illegal alien attempting to purchase as well. It lies at the feet of the DA and whether or not they will prosecute, and if they do, do they keep it at the felony level or plea bargain down to a misdemeanor.
Rucker61
03-30-2020, 10:29
I won't go into it further, but there are investigations into those who fail the background check and lie on the 4473. Instacheck forwards the most serious of violations for review. I personally have done about a dozen investigations, mostly felons attempting to purchase, but one illegal alien attempting to purchase as well. It lies at the feet of the DA and whether or not they will prosecute, and if they do, do they keep it at the felony level or plea bargain down to a misdemeanor.
Is this at the state or federal level?
OneGuy67
03-30-2020, 10:31
Is this at the state or federal level?
State level. Tried one at the federal level, but the AUSA wasn't interested in it, so I filed it also at the state level.
Little Dutch
03-30-2020, 10:56
I won't go into it further, but there are investigations into those who fail the background check and lie on the 4473. Instacheck forwards the most serious of violations for review. I personally have done about a dozen investigations, mostly felons attempting to purchase, but one illegal alien attempting to purchase as well. It lies at the feet of the DA and whether or not they will prosecute, and if they do, do they keep it at the felony level or plea bargain down to a misdemeanor.
I get denied several times a year. At the shop that knows me really well, they sometimes negligently put a space in my last name. There's supposed to be one and I'm the only person in the family without it. I always get approved once it's corrected of course.
My Drivers License and Birth Certificate don't have a space in my last name. My Social Security information does. It was a real PITA when I was still working DOD, it felt like I was filling out AKA forms every couple of months.
Anyway. I hope I'm not being investigated. It would be a tremendous waste of resources.
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