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Bailey Guns
07-23-2020, 14:12
And they thought that appeasement worked.
It kinda did...there's still one window intact.
The problem is the banner says they support the black community, but forgot to also appease the community of white socialist/anarchists that pretends to care about the black community.
TEAMRICO
07-23-2020, 17:44
They only sell bricks in sets on eleven....
Bailey Guns
07-23-2020, 18:08
Kinda the opposite of a baker's dozen.
Rucker61
07-23-2020, 18:42
The problem is the banner says they support the black community, but forgot to also appease the community of white socialist/anarchists that pretends to care about the black community.
And their BLM banner was in Comic Sans.
They assumed the anarchists could read. Bad mistake.
hollohas
07-25-2020, 20:45
An all black 'militia group' was protesting in Kentucky. (This is the group marching around in all black, carrying rifles and kit and harassing white people.)
Anywho, they had a negligent discharge and 3 people were hurt. But, that wasn't enough reason for them to be forcefully dispersed. Shots fired into people during a BLM protest = no biggie apparently. It's cool, let's just let these dumbasses who obviously aren't safe with guns keep standing around harassing people..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559841/Black-militia-members-brandish-guns-demanding-charges-against-cops-linked-Breonna-Taylors-death.html
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http://youtu.be/y44Zr-oPY8A
crashdown
07-25-2020, 22:08
“Accidental discharge” like when you pee on yourself a little by accident, or “Accidental discharge” like when you have your finger on the trigger of a gun and shoot someone that you didn’t have a premeditated plan to shoot?
Cuz I think that’s exactly what they are protesting isn’t it.
Negligent, not accidental.
In Austin, man approaches a vehicle with an AK. Shootout ensues.
"Victim" (according to MSM) is DOA.
"Suspect in custody".
Sure as shit sounds like self defense to me.
Video REALLY sounds like 5 rifle shots, followed by 3 handgun rounds.
Remember, "victim" had the AK.
https://youtu.be/0JsRchst7Zs
Guess the guy found the right pussy
https://youtu.be/uhm-nbr4zhg
Bailey Guns
07-26-2020, 10:31
Wait for the next compilation of "mass shooting" incidents comes out. I'm sure we'll see the ND shooting included.
http://youtu.be/iWw1U73qVfw
"Snowplow children" meet accountability and consequences.
hollohas
07-26-2020, 17:02
Here a video from the Chicago PD breaking down the tactics of one of the riots there. Very organized bad guys.
https://youtu.be/AIqlMtmpKq8
Bailey Guns
07-26-2020, 18:20
I posted that video a few days ago in the Capitol Deterioration thread. Some pretty advanced tactics for these douchebags. Someone is giving them some advice. It wouldn't surprise me if that someone was foreign.
Here a video from the Chicago PD breaking down the tactics of one of the riots there. Very organized bad guys.
https://youtu.be/AIqlMtmpKq8
The only organic aspect of these protests are the vowel movements. Home grown is a myth. Just ask the CIA.
hollohas
07-26-2020, 20:28
I posted that video a few days ago in the Capitol Deterioration thread. Some pretty advanced tactics for these douchebags. Someone is giving them some advice. It wouldn't surprise me if that someone was foreign.Damn. Missed it. Sorry for the repost!
Bailey Guns
07-26-2020, 21:18
No big deal. Obviously not everyone saw it so more people get a chance this way. I just mentioned it because of the level of organization, fairly advanced tactics and resolve these people showed.
BushMasterBoy
07-26-2020, 22:34
Looks like the metro got a lil' crazy on I-225. Quiet today in P-blow
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/26/aurora-elijah-mcclain-protest-jeep-shooting/
hollohas
07-27-2020, 09:39
Yup, the 225 shooting and the one in Texas too. And in Seattle CHAZ. The 'protesters' are obviously organizing when it comes to carrying guns and shooting at cars too.
In Texas, the extra shots we all heard in the video were from a 2nd 'protester' shooting at the car as it left the scene. 1st armed 'protester' approached car and threatened driver, driver shot in self defense, drove away and 2nd 'protester' shot at fleeing car.
Driving through a 'protest' is now more dangerous then the old threat of just getting pulled from your car and beat. Now you get shot at too.
Great-Kazoo
07-27-2020, 14:43
No big deal. Obviously not everyone saw it so more people get a chance this way. I just mentioned it because of the level of organization, fairly advanced tactics and resolve these people showed.
I attended a "meeting" of some local groups in the area, a month ago. The topic of outside / outside the country training had been mentioned, along with "alleged" documents to back it up. The way some things are being handled, makes one think / wonder, which moms demand action meeting they were taught at.
Great-Kazoo
07-27-2020, 15:00
Here's an interesting story about the Portland NAACP presidents opinion.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/portland-naacp-president-protests-have-become-white-spectacle
E.D. Mondaine, the president of the Portland chapter of the NAACP, said protests in the Oregon city have been co-opted by white people.
"As the demonstrations continue every night in Portland, many people with their own agendas are co-opting, and distracting attention from, what should be our central concern: the Black Lives Matter movement," he said in a Washington Post op-ed published on Thursday.
He said this "white spectacle" has been the root of the violence that has taken place.
"Unfortunately, 'spectacle' is now the best way to describe Portland’s protests. Vandalizing government buildings and hurling projectiles at law enforcement draw attention — but how do these actions stop police from killing black people? What are antifa and other leftist agitators achieving for the cause of black equality?" he said.
This radio interview is a better read. it also doesn't pick and choose his words.
https://www.wvtf.org/post/portland-naacp-president-protests-white-spectacle#stream/0
MARTIN: ...The protester who's had this unclothed confrontation. She was photographed doing yoga poses while wearing only a face mask. Is that the tipping point for you which you thought to yourself that this is not what we're talking about here?
MONDAINE: That is definitely the tipping point for me. I mean, this is the same woman that - my great-great-uncle was lynched for just speaking to a white woman. This is what led to the death of Emmett Till. So when we see these well-intentioned - I'm hoping - opportunities being seized, I think that we need to remember that this is exactly why Black men were lynched in America and what a slap in the face it is for us. Now, I'm hoping, again, that that wasn't her intention. But the intention is this - justice, equality and fair play. We need our seat at the table, and we need it right now.
Little Dutch
07-27-2020, 15:36
Guess the guy found the right pussy
https://youtu.be/uhm-nbr4zhg
Sure looks like fetal alcohol syndrome, from what little I can see of his face.
BushMasterBoy
07-27-2020, 23:49
I think it is just a "fisheye" effect from the camera. Could be both though, he was an Air Force veteran according to his mom...
Sure looks like fetal alcohol syndrome, from what little I can see of his face.
I think it is just a "fisheye" effect from the camera. Could be both though, he was an Air Force veteran according to his mom...
LOL, It is an action cam. My action cam is high resolution but worse than this cam.
Aardvark
07-28-2020, 11:02
Looks like the metro got a lil' crazy on I-225. Quiet today in P-blow
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/07/26/aurora-elijah-mcclain-protest-jeep-shooting/
Police have arrested the 23yr old shooter; charged him with 4 counts of attempted homicide.
Interesting perspective.
https://youtu.be/wj-opN-dxv0
Bailey Guns
07-28-2020, 13:11
Unfortunately, the people who need to hear and heed this message/warning are the very ones who won't listen to it.
Probably not. Although gun wait times in Colorado are a little encouraging.
JohnnyDrama
07-29-2020, 07:37
Thanks for the video William. The host broke things down very concisely.
BPTactical
07-29-2020, 07:41
Thanks for the video William. The host broke things down very concisely.
Paints a rosy picture eh?
Great-Kazoo
07-29-2020, 08:19
Paints a rosy picture eh?
What we're seeing happen across d controlled cities & states, paints a very clear picture. Waiting for the paint removal crews, to start working
JohnnyDrama
07-29-2020, 10:25
I've had time to think about that video a little more. As I stated earlier, the host breaks down the events of the late 90s in the Balkan peninsula quite well. Two things struck me. One is that many of the stooges spreading hate and discontent across America are probably too young to remember the news reports of those events. Many would probably have a hard time even locating that area on a map. The other was that the host appears to be around the same age as the rioters. I found it an interesting juxtaposition of worldviews.
GilpinGuy
08-02-2020, 21:34
Damn....right to the point.
NSFW!
https://youtu.be/4v0u5ZsOuvE
Bailey Guns
08-02-2020, 22:32
Well...ok, then! No beatin' around the bush with that guy.
I'm having a difficult time deciphering that message.
Great-Kazoo
08-02-2020, 23:45
I'm having a difficult time deciphering that message.
how fuking hard is it, to fukin understand. ;)
Props to the f-bomb flowing , yet actually saying something, muthafuka.
Fuckin-a if you don’t start some shit they won’t be no shit
JohnnyDrama
08-03-2020, 14:35
Damn....right to the point.
NSFW!
https://youtu.be/4v0u5ZsOuvE
Made me laugh!
No joke, what life is like in a Democrat run Utopia.
82556
hollohas
08-03-2020, 20:27
Today the antifa terrorists went to "protest" in the Colorado springs neighborhood of an officer who was involved in a certain high profile justified shooting last year.
Here are just a couple screen caps. They had about a dozen armed with long guns that I saw and more with sidearms. They blocked the road with a vehicle and stood at low ready as cars sat stopped waiting to pass even as the CSPD ordered them to leave the street. They had armed individuals at each end of the street, some taking overwatch sort of positions. They also posted armed individuals at the end of driveways at home of people that obviously didn't agree with their "protest".
This is the very definition of terrorism. This isn't spray paint, rocks and frozen water bottles. This is outright terrorism when many of them brandish weapons at citizen vehicles trying to get home after work. This is in the SPRINGS.
When things get hot, the good guys won't be the only ones with guns as many seem to think.
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Impossible. The Springs is a bastion of conservatism and the residents would never let that happen.
Bailey Guns
08-03-2020, 20:38
I remember discussions on this forum from years ago with some people openly wishing for revolution in the misguided belief our side had the guns so we'd obviously prevail. I recall mentioning that it was ill-advised to just assume our side would win because we have more guns. I think this, along with the well orchestrated violence in various cities around the country, is a perfect illustration of why I've always felt our side wouldn't automatically win.
We may have more guns, but right now they have guns, too. They also have the political backing and the media pushing their agenda. Most importantly, they seem to have the will to carry out their desires to transform America. So far, our side has been pretty impotent in terms of any response.
We're potentially one election cycle away from waking up to find ourselves in the new Venezuela...or Cuba.
SideShow Bob
08-03-2020, 20:47
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.
Sun Tzu
hollohas
08-03-2020, 21:11
Most importantly, they seem to have the will to carry out their desires to transform America. So far, our side has been pretty impotent in terms of any response.
You're exactly right Bailey, they have the will and that is the biggest factor in their favor. They're also out there getting "practice" and sharing those best practices nationwide in their Marxist, antifa, BLM, etc networks. When something works somewhere, they put the word out and those tactics are put into practice on the streets elsewhere. Their strategy and organization is evolving and being refined. They are busy getting real world revolutionary training right in front of us nearly unopposed.
kidicarus13
08-03-2020, 21:51
So how many were arrested? If none, why not?
Just saw the 9news report on the Springs Antifa protest. Lots of video. Not a single firearm. Must not have happened.
hollohas
08-03-2020, 22:42
Just saw the 9news report on the Springs Antifa protest. Lots of video. Not a single firearm. Must not have happened.Funny how that works...
I remember discussions on this forum from years ago with some people openly wishing for revolution in the misguided belief our side had the guns so we'd obviously prevail. I recall mentioning that it was ill-advised to just assume our side would win because we have more guns. I think this, along with the well orchestrated violence in various cities around the country, is a perfect illustration of why I've always felt our side wouldn't automatically win.
We may have more guns, but right now they have guns, too. They also have the political backing and the media pushing their agenda. Most importantly, they seem to have the will to carry out their desires to transform America. So far, our side has been pretty impotent in terms of any response.
We're potentially one election cycle away from waking up to find ourselves in the new Venezuela...or Cuba.
I remember. You were right then, and now.
BushMasterBoy
08-03-2020, 23:14
Over an hour of video on KRDO.
https://krdo.com/news/2020/08/03/protesters-occupy-cspd-officers-neighborhood-on-anniversary-of-devon-bailey-shooting/
Portland's deadliest month in 30 years ends with 150 shots fired (https://komonews.com/news/local/deadliest-month-in-30-years-ends-with-more-than-150-shots-fired)
Yeah, get rid of cops and let the "protestors" face no resistance. Sounds like the perfect recipe for chaos.
PORTLAND, Ore - Portland's deadliest month in 30 years ended on Friday night with more than 150 rounds fired in the Montavilla neighborhood.
Portland Police say 15 people were killed during the month of July, the highest number of deaths in a single month since the 1980s.
I'm pretty sure this isn't what most voters are in favor of.
...but Biden will fix it.
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????
I remember discussions on this forum from years ago with some people openly wishing for revolution in the misguided belief our side had the guns so we'd obviously prevail. I recall mentioning that it was ill-advised to just assume our side would win because we have more guns. I think this, along with the well orchestrated violence in various cities around the country, is a perfect illustration of why I've always felt our side wouldn't automatically win.
We may have more guns, but right now they have guns, too. They also have the political backing and the media pushing their agenda. Most importantly, they seem to have the will to carry out their desires to transform America. So far, our side has been pretty impotent in terms of any response.
We're potentially one election cycle away from waking up to find ourselves in the new Venezuela...or Cuba.
It sure seems like we are losing.
Zundfolge
08-04-2020, 11:08
It sure seems like we are losing.
"Seems" ... it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that 99% of the media is controlled by one faction, would it?
Bailey Guns
08-04-2020, 11:15
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????
Not to mention many less serious offenses like obstructing traffic...or possibly even false imprisonment if they're not allowing someone to leave their home or other location to go somewhere else. In answer to you question about a DA willing to charge, I think you just saw your answer. They use the excuse that making arrests might agitate people and make things worse. Really? Since when did we stop arresting people because doing so might be dangerous? Oh, that's right...when the people we need to arrest are "peaceful protesters" involved in protests of politically correct agendas.
Make no mistake...this is the revolution many on our side wanted and it sure as hell isn't going the way they thought. I can guarantee you that. These people are openly talking about their objectives and goals which include "burning down the system" and fundamentally transforming America into another socialist wet dream. They don't even hide it any longer. There's no need to. Politicians on the left either support it or are too afraid to say anything that goes against their party or the agitators. The media openly supports it, condones it and does it's best to camouflage what's really happening. The cops can't do anything because in many cases they've been told to stand down by their leftist leadership. Citizens can't do anything other than scratch their heads and wonder what's going on and when will it end?
Imagine what would happen if a couple of normal, Trump-supporting citizens went out to put a stop to this nonsense (when the cops wouldn't) and things turned south. Who do you think would be blamed for the bodies laying in the street?
This is a war that no one on our side can really fight so how in the hell do you win it?
battlemidget
08-04-2020, 11:34
Sometimes you gotta button up and let em throw rocks. No one likes it.
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????
One conclusion is that City leadership simply does not care about citizens or CSPD officers & their families.
Wouldn't they have to ID such persons to charge them?
Who's to say they aren't working on that in order to bring charges?
Bailey Guns
08-04-2020, 12:34
Well, cops were on scene and obviously witnessed a lot of this shit happening. I'm guessing they observed plenty of illegal activity but didn't act for whatever reason. That's not necessarily a criticism, just an observation.
hollohas
08-04-2020, 12:36
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????I watched most of the 1+ hour video. Only sign of PD I saw was a van with loud speaker a block or two away asking them to "please" get off the road.
That's it. Brandishing rifles at cars is apparently A-OK.
hollohas
08-04-2020, 12:40
Make no mistake...this is the revolution many on our side wanted and it sure as hell isn't going the way they thought. I can guarantee you that. These people are openly talking about their objectives and goals which include "burning down the system" and fundamentally transforming America into another socialist wet dream. They don't even hide it any longer. There's no need to. Politicians on the left either support it or are too afraid to say anything that goes against their party or the agitators. The media openly supports it, condones it and does it's best to camouflage what's really happening. The cops can't do anything because in many cases they've been told to stand down by their leftist leadership. Citizens can't do anything other than scratch their heads and wonder what's going on and when will it end?
I said it before and it's getting worse. The commies are out in the open and boldly moving forward.
Teachers gathered in Denver yesterday to demand they don't go back to school...for the kids of course.
They openly advertised their allegiance.
"Reds in Ed"
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battlemidget
08-04-2020, 13:23
Remember Protest Warrior? The hero we need.
Great-Kazoo
08-04-2020, 15:04
Remember Protest Warrior? The hero we need.
Maybe the Hebrew Hammer?
Aloha_Shooter
08-04-2020, 16:45
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????
I watched most of the 1+ hour video. Only sign of PD I saw was a van with loud speaker a block or two away asking them to "please" get off the road.
That's it. Brandishing rifles at cars is apparently A-OK.
At what point do we go from open carry to brandishing? I think we can all agree that it would be brandishing if they actually pointed the weapons at someone but it seems to me some of the open carry advocates would have claimed low ready isn't actually brandishing -- is it a threat if it's pointed at the ground? I think the way these guys formed up and behaved was intended to convey a threat but how do you distinguish that from constitutional or open carry with clear legal lines in a court? I'm sure one of their shyster enablers would argue they were simply exercising positive control over their weapons.
We should do what the 4chan crowd does: identify the cretins and make sure they understand they are no longer welcome at ranges, clubs, shooting events, etc. Make sure grandma understands why her little Johnny is a POS.
hollohas
08-04-2020, 16:51
At what point do we go from open carry to brandishing?
This is a fair question and one that I asked myself before I used the word. The overall threatening nature and at least one dude with his finger on the trigger was enough for me to label it brandishing. I have no idea if that passes legal muster or not.
Bailey Guns
08-04-2020, 16:56
It's actually menacing...a felony if committed with a deadly weapon. The actor has to knowingly place or attempt to place the victim in fear of serious bodily injury:
18-3-206
(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:
(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon; or
(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.
Unless something's changed there's no such crime in the Colorado Revised Statutes as brandishing. Just pickin' nits...
Coming up on 24 hours, has there been any word from city "leaders" yet? I didn't see anything checking the usual news sites.
I'd say once the firearm is in your hand, it enters a different territory beyond just carrying in a holster or slung.
theGinsue
08-04-2020, 17:30
Call it what you want, but many of those, erm "Peaceful Protesters" with firearms certainly displayed them in a threatening manner. No charges; nothing. Yet, several years back I was almost arrested in my own front yard at 0100 in the morning for "felony menacing with a firearm" - when I hadn't even touched a firearm in over a week all because I went outside to see what the raucous was about (inconsiderate teenagers) and the teens didn't like it so they essentially SWAT'd me.
I guess the law only applies to citizens who actually try to do the right and legal thing.
Bailey Guns
08-04-2020, 17:46
Whole freakin' world is upside down...
theGinsue
08-04-2020, 18:05
I've repeatedly been saying for the last ten years: What used to be right is now wrong and what used to be wrong is now right.
This is not the nation or world I imagined I'd live in when I was a child.
Yes, let's all agree there is no such thing as "brandishing" regarding a firearm in Colorado law. Mea culpa. Would a reasonable person believe the manner in which those individuals are carrying their rifles while confronting presumably non-threatening, non-violent citizens as menacing? Probably. Enough to get a conviction? Who knows? I learned a long time to never second guess what a jury will or won't do.
Would said individuals in the vehicles been prudent to have a firearm of their own ready to use, even to being held out of sight of observers? Those protesters have long left the right to be considered "peaceful" somewhere along the trail. If those protesters keep on their path I fear things will go bad in short order.
hollohas
08-04-2020, 18:54
It's actually menacing...a felony if committed with a deadly weapon. The actor has to knowingly place or attempt to place the victim in fear of serious bodily injury:
18-3-206
(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:
(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon; or
(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.
Unless something's changed there's no such crime in the Colorado Revised Statutes as brandishing. Just pickin' nits...
No nits picked. I for one appreciate the legit clarification.
hollohas
08-04-2020, 18:57
Would said individuals in the vehicles been prudent to have a firearm of their own ready to use, even to being held out of sight of observers? Those protesters have long left the right to be considered "peaceful" somewhere along the trail. If those protesters keep on their path I fear things will go bad in short order.
Dude in the blue pickup lived on that street. He went home and they continued to harass him and vandalize his truck. He came out with a gun to continue his "discussion" with them.
Great-Kazoo
08-04-2020, 19:49
I'd say once the firearm is in your hand, it enters a different territory beyond just carrying in a holster or slung.
In CO. In AZ there is no brandishing, or menacing, etc. You're allowed to display a firearm to deter a threat, or a perceived one.
Something the AZCDL was instrumental in getting changed here. Unlike the 24/7 pandering for DONATIONS ,TO STOP GUN CONTROL in CO by..............DB. Yet rarely seeming to get done.
Dude in the blue pickup lived on that street. He went home and they continued to harass him and vandalize his truck. He came out with a gun to continue his "discussion" with them.
Saw that, good for him, sounds like they left him alone when he did. That's they way it should be.
Zundfolge
08-04-2020, 20:16
I'd say once the firearm is in your hand, it enters a different territory beyond just carrying in a holster or slung.
So if I get into an argument with someone and just lift my shirt, displaying my holstered gun and say "shut up" are you telling me that wouldn't be a crime? I have a feeling that would be even though the firearm wasn't in my hand.
I'm not telling you anything. I think it'd be a lot more difficult to argue intent once you've cleared leather and it's in your hand.
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1290473037729587202
Protestors on their way to harass the Seattle police chief
@carmenbest
at her home, encountered locals who were not in the mood to host protests in their neighborhood.
Protestor: “We are peaceful! You pointed a gun at my face!”
Resident: “That’s why you are peaceful.”
In CO. In AZ there is no brandishing, or menacing, etc. You're allowed to display a firearm to deter a threat, or a perceived one.
Something the AZCDL was instrumental in getting changed here. Unlike the 24/7 pandering for DONATIONS ,TO STOP GUN CONTROL in CO by..............DB. Yet rarely seeming to get done.
I have always been against calling the mere display of a firearm felony menacing. One must be able to bear arms to defend himself, which would rightly cause alarm in someone considering ill will against you. Otherwise, walking out of your house with a gun at the low ready to investigate a disturbance, alarm, riotous crowd, etc., would make you guilty of committing a felony. Be careful what you call for, it cuts both ways.
Great-Kazoo
08-05-2020, 00:39
I'm not telling you anything. I think it'd be a lot more difficult to argue intent once you've cleared leather and it's in your hand.
Actually the first one who calls the cops, after showing a gun, wins. Providing it has not escalated after that point in time.
battlemidget
08-05-2020, 07:47
Is this a point for open carry?
Is this a point for open carry?
Open carrying what exactly, a rifle? You'll likely get tossed in the slammer for that. You are NOT a member of the protected class, so the mayor will tell the police to nail your hide to a barn door.
Why open carry a handgun when you can conceal it legally. Why would anyone want to open carry a handgun, never let the enemy know what you have, you want to blend in and avoid problems, open carry negates that advantage and open carry negates the advantage of surprise.
battlemidget
08-05-2020, 08:14
Open carrying what exactly, a rifle? You'll likely get tossed in the slammer for that. You are NOT a member of the protected class, so the mayor will tell the police to nail your hide to a barn door.
Why open carry a handgun when you can conceal it legally. Why would anyone want to open carry a handgun, never let the enemy know what you have, you want to blend in and avoid problems, open carry negates that advantage and open carry negates the advantage of surprise.
I agree completely, my 'maybe too subtle' point was that there's no right answer, there's risks and complications all around.
You and I and people like us are in a very grey area right now, very fluid, and the governments we thought would uphold the rule of law don't anymore.
Government and the media has utterly failed us and created an environment hostile to truth and law and order.
We have experienced a tremendous a blow to our senses.
We are on our own and no one is coming to rescue us and if we rescue ourselves we will be prosecuted or killed for it.
You and I and people like us are in a very grey area right now, very fluid, and the governments we thought would uphold the rule of law don't anymore.
Government and the media has utterly failed us and created an environment hostile to truth and law and order.
We have experienced a tremendous a blow to our senses.
We are on our own and no one is coming to rescue us and if we rescue ourselves we will be prosecuted or killed for it.
While we stare at the broken vase on the floor, and blame the floor's hardness for the breakage, a cat named Enlightenment licks its paws from atop the window sill.
He pauses, looks you directly in the eye, and purrs with a hint of, "Who, me?"
While we stare at the broken vase on the floor, and blame the floor's hardness for the breakage, a cat named Enlightenment licks its paws from atop the window sill.
He pauses, looks you directly in the eye, and purrs with a hint of, "Who, me?"
Exactly, my own inactivity helped create this mess.
I want to be left alone and in return I'll leave others alone.
Others won't leave me alone now, is there time to turn the tide?
beast556
08-05-2020, 09:35
Others won't leave me alone now, is there time to turn the tide?
Unfortunately I don't think so. We have been complacent and missed that opportunity.
Unfortunately I don't think so. We have been complacent and missed that opportunity.
Here in CO, yes. The left coasts, yes. There is still flyover country and some spaces south and north of here.
2016 US Presidential Election Map By County & Vote Share
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_ by_vote_share.svg/1280px-2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_ by_vote_share.svg.png
Then there is the theory that all this ruckus is the communists, er democrats last gasp before their evil, ignorant, and insipid ideas fade from general popularity.
Backing getting rid of police is not a popular idea, no matter how the media tries to spin it.
Great-Kazoo
08-05-2020, 13:41
Backing getting rid of police is not a popular idea, no matter how the media tries to spin it.
Neither is abolishing history classes in school. YET the entitlement crowd, media & politicians have are running with it.
IMO Come Nov
VOTE RED, OR WE'RE DEAD!
Then there is the theory that all this ruckus is the communists, er democrats last gasp before their evil, ignorant, and insipid ideas fade from general popularity.
Don?t be fooled by that thinking. The left has been cultivating this through the public education system for decades, maybe longer. There may be short term revolts against their constant pushing of the boundaries, but each correction trends further and further left since they control well over 90% of the teachers, administrators, and school boards.
Look at the protests and recall election when 3 conservatives were elected to Jeffco?s school board a few years back and took a look at what was being taught as history in our schools.
https://ballotpedia.org/Jeffco_Public_Schools_recall,_Colorado_(2015)
Yup, the communists have been working on this for nearly a century.
The Soviets starting cultivating spies and sowing disinformation in the west probably immediately after their formation.
Bailey Guns
08-06-2020, 06:52
Portland police chief says riots not helping cause of racial justice: ‘Enough is enough’ (https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-chief-says-riots-not-helping-cause-of-racial-justice-enough-is-enough)
Wait, whut? Riots don't help the cause of racial justice? Really? No shit, chief. Quite the epiphany you've had there. Only took you two months of non-stop anarchy in your city for you to come to the conclusion most of the civilized world came to after about the first 5 seconds of "peaceful protesting" by these animals.
hollohas
08-06-2020, 09:43
To be fair, the Portland chief has been pretty outspoken against the riots from day one. Even badmouthing city council, the mayor, etc about how they are allowing it.
Bailey Guns
08-06-2020, 11:32
I guess I haven't been paying attention with all the other background noise.
So in another brilliant move by the Denver shitty council they?ve appointed blm activist & DU professor Apryl Alexander to the citizen board overseeing DPD and the Denver SO. What could possibly go wrong?
As I have said before my heart goes out to the good men and women in law enforcement that get up every day and continue on in these ugly times.
http://youtu.be/7gcR8BJhv1Q
http://youtu.be/l7OnvyCqeac
http://youtu.be/l7OnvyCqeac
Has there been any peep from Colo Spgs city "leaders" about allowing the shitbirds to run wild?
Anyone want to bet on what would happen if a few folks with rifles at low-ready blocked traffic in front of Planned Parenthood holding signs that said "peaceful protest" [shithitsfan]
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-07-2020, 00:09
Has there been any peep from Colo Spgs city "leaders" about allowing the shitbirds to run wild?
MLKjr followed non violent protests because he knew if the genie got out of the bottle, someone was going to crack it over his head. I see families at these marches with armed people taunting drivers- and we know that these idiots run Ronin SAS style ambushes.
How exactly is threatening random drivers and closing down highways supposed to convert people to your cause?
You can say that the “tea party“ people showed up in places in Michigan with guns so why can’t these people. But the important distinction is that the tea party is against the government, these people are carrying guns to intimidate other citizens.
So now the peace of our nation depends on who’s open carry idiots are more stable and less likely to start shooting people. Great.
RblDiver
08-09-2020, 16:28
Apparently some Antifa types showed up in Fort Collins, and were beaten back.
https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/08/antifa-ft-collins-suburb/
BushMasterBoy
08-09-2020, 16:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ToaR3vt0A
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-arrested-after-fight-spins-off-of-pro-police-rally-in-fort-collins/ar-BB17L2vr?ocid=hplocalnews
Looks like the Fort Collins fight made Drudge Report
People still go to Drudge?
In other news: Georgia just made it a hate crime to harass police officers and other emergency responders – let’s make it national (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/georgia-just-made-it-a-hate-crime-to-harass-first-responders/)
ATLANTA, GA – Georgia is leading the way in protecting emergency responders in America.
Recently, House Republicans wanted to enact a law which would ensure that law enforcement was protected, something of which is rarely seen in today’s society.
In legislation bill 426, later moved to another bill, House bill 838, it added police officers as a protected class, similar to current hate crime laws.
The bill makes it a crime to attempt to harass or intimidate any first responder, including police officers. The bill passed as the same time the hate bill crime passed.
In the language of the law, anyone who harasses or intimidates any law enforcement officer while he/she is performing their lawful duty can be arrested.
.455_Hunter
08-10-2020, 12:35
People still go to Drudge?
In other news: Georgia just made it a hate crime to harass police officers and other emergency responders – let’s make it national (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/georgia-just-made-it-a-hate-crime-to-harass-first-responders/)
I understand the goal, but that could be a Pandora's Box of issues if not implemented correctly.
People still go to Drudge?
In other news: Georgia just made it a hate crime to harass police officers and other emergency responders – let’s make it national (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/georgia-just-made-it-a-hate-crime-to-harass-first-responders/)
How do they define "harassment" and "intimidation"?
clodhopper
08-10-2020, 13:03
While I like to see the repubs start fighting fire with fire, I am disappointed to see further expansion of the 'protected classes' which has already screwing up our social fabric. We don't need further compartmentalization and the judging/jealousness/hate/etc that accompanies those things.
Yeah, making it a hate crime is a terrible idea and an embarrassing move by whomever suggested it and those that endorsed it.
While I like to see the repubs start fighting fire with fire, I am disappointed to see further expansion of the 'protected classes' which has already screwing up our social fabric. We don't need further compartmentalization and the judging/jealousness/hate/etc that accompanies those things.
I concur. I am against all hate crime legislation, as I see it as a dangerous road to go down, and a clear violation of the equal protection clause. A crime is a crime, regardless of the alleged thought process behind it, and should be prosecuted as such.
Apparently some Antifa types showed up in Fort Collins, and were beaten back.
https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/08/antifa-ft-collins-suburb/
The mob doesn't like to lose. They'll be back, next time without warning and probably with cocktails that have previously been used against businesses.
Civil War 2.0 is spreading to the suburbs.
O2
Aloha_Shooter
08-10-2020, 17:19
I'm against hate crime legislation in general. Prosecute them for what they're doing: harassment, abuse, endangerment, and sometimes threatening with physical violence or death. It doesn't need any additional gloss from being designated a "hate crime" but rather prosecutors who will go by the letter of the law rather than the push of the polling (or maybe taint of the tweet). Too many Leftist prosecutors who use their office as an extension of the DNC and SJW activist organizations and therefore won't go after Friends of Bill, Friends of Barack, Friends of Joe, etc.
Great-Kazoo
08-10-2020, 20:33
The mob doesn't like to lose. They'll be back, next time without warning and probably with cocktails that have previously been used against businesses.
Civil War 2.0 is spreading to the suburbs.
O2
These little incursions in to surburbia are just recon missions. Giving suburbanites a false sense of security. of Oh hell yeah we ran em off
The real agitators usually don't make an appearance till midnight. Based on current "intel" as well as other sources, keeping an eye on things.
That's when the real deal fires up, as seen on T.V ;)
If you asked any of those who participated how may vehicles, or people walking in the neighborhood that didn't look like they lived in the area, they noticed. You'd get a Huh?
While people are focused on the opposing sides contact, who knows who is taking notes.
I concur. I am against all hate crime legislation, as I see it as a dangerous road to go down, and a clear violation of the equal protection clause. A crime is a crime, regardless of the alleged thought process behind it, and should be prosecuted as such.
Yep. Crimes are actions. Whenever someone tries to get into another person's head and divine some additive value to a punishment, that goes against my libertarian tendencies.
Bailey Guns
08-11-2020, 05:41
I think certain professions...cops, firefighters, elderly, etc...deserve extra protections under the law because society knowingly asks them to go in harm's way or because they are very vulnerable. But you don't need hate crime legislation to do that. For example, Assault in the 1st Deg requires actual serious bodily injury occur with a deadly weapon (simplified explanation). But for peace officers and firefighters it requires only the threat of injury. I'm OK with that.
I'm also OK with enhanced penalties. You commit Crime X against Joe Citizen and the penalty is Y. Commit the same crime against Joe Firefighter and the penalty is Y+.
Bailey Guns
08-11-2020, 05:43
Makes sense now where all the "mobsters" are coming from:
https://i.imgur.com/lUl8jON.jpg
http://scontent-den4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117306980_3710605585635066_8673285364054230064_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=uX1XLm9JKVEAX9Zg3Tu&_nc_ht=scontent-den4-1.xx&oh=bf1263f4bd62cac8b7d2b76b799d7578&oe=5F5873F5
I think certain professions...cops, firefighters, elderly, etc...deserve extra protections under the law because society knowingly asks them to go in harm's way or because they are very vulnerable. But you don't need hate crime legislation to do that. For example, Assault in the 1st Deg requires actual serious bodily injury occur with a deadly weapon (simplified explanation). But for peace officers and firefighters it requires only the threat of injury. I'm OK with that.
I'm also OK with enhanced penalties. You commit Crime X against Joe Citizen and the penalty is Y. Commit the same crime against Joe Firefighter and the penalty is Y+.
Would it work the other way around? If Joe Firefighter committees a crime against Joe Citizen, then penalty is Y+?
All enhancements accomplish is further stacking charges to ensure the subject is required to take a plea bargain in any circumstance. That's not to say that enhanced charges are the cause of that, merely a facet. It's foolish to believe someone is actually getting convicted of Y+ though..... they get charged with A, D, L, F, G, Y+, X+, M, N, P, and Q. It would cost them $500,000 and two years to defend it, so they accept a plea bargain of Y, spend three months in the can and everyone wins (except, well, those people).
Bailey Guns
08-11-2020, 11:40
Would it work the other way around? If Joe Firefighter committees a crime against Joe Citizen, then penalty is Y+?
Keep in mind these protections are generally only applicable when the cop/firefighter is on duty. When a cop does certain things on duty there are other laws they can be charged with that Joe Citizen can't. So the answer to your question is there are certain laws that cover that already.
Bailey Guns
08-11-2020, 11:45
All enhancements accomplish is further stacking charges to ensure the subject is required to take a plea bargain in any circumstance. That's not to say that enhanced charges are the cause of that, merely a facet. It's foolish to believe someone is actually getting convicted of Y+ though..... they get charged with A, D, L, F, G, Y+, X+, M, N, P, and Q. It would cost them $500,000 and two years to defend it, so they accept a plea bargain of Y, spend three months in the can and everyone wins (except, well, those people).
I don't see it as stacking charges. You stab someone and cause SBI you get charged with Assault 1. You use the same knife and threaten to stab Joe Police you get charged with Assault 1. An enhancement is like charging Harassment with Domestic Violence. DV isn't a charge...just enhances the charge. After re-reading my post above I didn't explain myself very clearly.
Aloha_Shooter
08-13-2020, 21:37
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/13/black-lives-matter-crowd-demands-seattle-homeowner/
Sounds like terroristic threatening to me. I won't judge the entire group from the statements made by individuals but they should self-police their own membership. Neighborhoods are gentrified (in general) because they've gone to crap and someone figures out they can make money by buying up the property and rehabbing it to make it more appealing to people with money. Hollywood loves to make stories about evil businessmen gentrifying areas by force or deception but I'm not aware of any specific true life examples of this.
Sounds like a way to get shot in the face to me but I'm in a pissy mood anyway.
Great-Kazoo
08-14-2020, 07:52
Sounds like a way to get shot in the face to me but I'm in a pissy mood anyway.
liquid dish soap, gasoline, some form of ignition.
82654
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-boy-cannon-hinnant-murder
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 05:20
Why would someone intentionally do that to a child?
JohnnyDrama
08-15-2020, 09:02
Why would someone intentionally do that to a child?
Predatory cowards. The media will depict it to incite fear in parents and further spread fear. It's not enough to keep our children home because of COVID but now because of violence.
He was known to the family. I'm going to go out on a limb and surmise that this mentally defective POS was molesting the child and was afraid he was going to get caught.
Nothing to support my theory, just my opinion.
Sent from somewhere...
Predatory cowards. The media will depict it to incite fear in parents and further spread fear. It's not enough to keep our children home because of COVID but now because of violence.
"The media" isn't saying shit about it. It's like it never happened because it doesn't fit the narrative.
http://youtu.be/_PeQEjj9aKE
Bailey Guns
08-15-2020, 14:49
It's pretty much everywhere online.
CNN is reporting it.
Finally? Then they got shamed into it. The boy was laid to rest yesterday. If you watched the video above the different MSM outlets were searched for the story and there were zero results.
@ 15:15 - https://youtu.be/_PeQEjj9aKE?t=915
Finally? Then they got shamed into it. The boy was laid to rest yesterday. If you watched the video above the different MSM outlets were searched for the story and there were zero results.
@ 15:15 - https://youtu.be/_PeQEjj9aKE?t=915
Probably not shamed just want to put their own spin on it and check the box of ?unbiased coverage ?.
Aloha_Shooter
08-15-2020, 18:02
Probably not shamed just want to put their own spin on it and check the box of ?unbiased coverage ?.
I'm going to guess both. It took the Washington Post 3 weeks to admit there was a Monica Lewinski story after it had hit even CNN and ABC. The MSM has gotten more blatantly ideological and partisan with every successive year since Clinton beat the first President Bush so they do indeed have to be shamed into covering stories that don't fit the narrative and even then they will attempt to spin it.
hollohas
08-15-2020, 19:56
And look at the results of this. NYC used to be bumper-to-bumper traffic, honking taxis, shoulder-to-shoulder people, bustling stores, the hub of the world. Now a ghost town of boarded up stores and empty streets and sidewalks.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tadgermania/status/1291717913980747776
Edit: after reading some of the comments, this may be a video from a few months ago. But people who live there are saying it's still pretty much the same today.
SideShow Bob
08-15-2020, 21:07
liquid dish soap, gasoline, some form of ignition.
Meh,
Dissolve styrofoam in it until it gets thick & tacky..... So I?ve heard........
82654
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-boy-cannon-hinnant-murder
Due to certain life experiences, there hasn't been anything that shocks me much as of late. This one not only shocked me, but shook me to my core. My heart has been heavy with grief for the family of Cannon. It's events like this which are going to cause a society of otherwise "peaceful people" to literally boil over, dig their heels in and start stacking bodies. It's coming to a head and I pray to God I'm wrong. When it bursts, may God have mercy on us all.
The Cannon thing is trying to be politicized by the right; while it is a tragedy of the highest order it doesn't appear, prima facia, to be what the far right is making it out to be.
The perp was known to the family and hung out at their house frequently, even eating with them the night before and having a beer. I don't have "gods vision" so I don't know the motivations and reasons, but it certainly wasn't a random "killing whitey" thing as it is being portrayed. $20 on mental illness and/or chemical inducement playing large roles in the murder. Nothing about that justifies it, but attaching to the first tragedy that hands can be laid upon merely for political capital is perverse. Granted, progressives have undertaken that strategy, but that's akin to saying if progressives started auctioning kids to raise political money, everybody else has to do it too.
There's a higher road, for f's sake.
The murder may not have been racial, but the media response sure is [pileoshit]
Taking the high road always makes me think of the sword-twirling character in Indiana Jones :|
I don't see it being pushed as "random". Some animal executed a 5 year old kid by shooting him in the head, which would normally be newsworthy to the MSM. It's got 'guns killing kids' for cryin' out loud. So...what's different about this situation?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/us/new-orleans-triple-shooting-child-killed/index.html
'An unthinkable act'
Killed doing ordinary things
To be fair, there's only a fraction of those cases that truly make national news, most stay "regional". This hasn't really gotten any "less" press than the majority of homicides of a child, and in most every case, the news is a little slow for distribution across the country when that historically does occur. All of those homicides are atrocious. Occasionally, a politicized story is made national, usually a firearm accident with an obvious subtext.
And I just want to check.... are people seriously arguing that a child killed by homicide from a firearm should be page one in the news for weeks on end?
Since the left has hinged a racial flag on certain deaths and politicized them to their own benefit, the right is hypocritically trying to do the same while mocking the former. That's as honorable as a protestant preacher getting a blowjob below the pulpit. If we're preaching about the sins of opposition, we better not be engaging in the same. Trying to plant a flag on this just because the perp is black - that is engaging in the EXACT same racial division and political rape of victims that progressives have been doing.
A quick look at the CDC shows that homicide is the 5th leading cause of death for ages 10-14. Cannon was five; it would take a while to digest the stats, but suffice to say there's a LOT more homicides of children than we all hear about. If repubs are arguing they are all national news, we can probably kiss the 2A goodbye.
But no, the right isn't arguing that's what makes this newsworthy. This is newsworthy because it was a black guy and a white kid. Right?
A quick look at the CDC shows that homicide is the 5th leading cause of death for ages 10-14. Cannon was five; it would take a while to digest the stats, but suffice to say there's a LOT more homicides of children than we all hear about. If repubs are arguing they are all national news, we can probably kiss the 2A goodbye.
But no, the right isn't arguing that's what makes this newsworthy. This is newsworthy because it was a black guy and a white kid. Right?
Let's be intellectually honest. Are you suggesting that the reverse of that would *NOT* be covered?
Let's be intellectually honest. Are you suggesting that the reverse of that would *NOT* be covered?
Of course it would.
But in employing the dishonest and manipulating tactics of the opposition, there never will be a prevailing party. They end up being approximately the same, in the end. And that turns independents away from both sides, instead of just one.
I see this less as pushing a party agenda and more highlighting of the bias and manipulation of the MSM. "Fake news" is real, as is suppression of that which doesn't support an agenda. It gets even worse for those that get their "news" from social media.
No matter what every side is pushing, healthy skepticism is prudent.
Both major parties are screwing us and have been for decades. One party uses a left-hand threaded screw and the other uses a right-hand threaded screw.
Good points.
We should be buying our politicians chocolates and roses every valentines day.
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 16:28
Good points.
We should be buying our politicians chocolates and roses every valentines day.
More like tar & feathers . It's way past time for being nice.
More like tar & feathers . It's way past time for being nice.
Ofc, on a side note, its an old punchline "because they fuck me more than my [wife/girlfriend]"
Great-Kazoo
08-16-2020, 21:25
Ofc, on a side note, its an old punchline "because they fuck me more than my [wife/girlfriend]"
which is taken form the older one. Nahh I'm innocent. I'm only in here because my lawyer fucked me.
I know this is just small fraction/decimal % of the total, but I do know 3 business owners who use to be Democrat from CA then converted to Republican in CO. :D
GilpinGuy
08-17-2020, 00:13
More like tar & feathers . It's way past time for being nice.
This would be happening often now if we were in the 19th century, methinks.
More like tar & feathers . It's way past time for being nice.
Agreed. Likely many of them would be hung for Treason as well.
Great-Kazoo
08-17-2020, 08:18
Agreed. Likely many of them would be hung for Treason as well.
I was hoping a few randomly picked legislators, used as an example, of further action. Would get the message across, before kicking it up a notch.
But i have seen a well knotted length of rope to be effective, as well.
Aloha_Shooter
08-17-2020, 09:39
But no, the right isn't arguing that's what makes this newsworthy. This is newsworthy because it was a black guy and a white kid. Right?
Wrong. What's newsworthy is the fact that it points out the blatant hypocrisy of the MSM. If this was white-on-black or even white-on-white, it would be on top of the headlines for a week or more because of the implied racism and "firearms bad" factor. It's rather suspicious that it is so ignored by the mass media.
Antifa made a showing at Sturgis.
http://youtu.be/Mm0DX_-23aE
https://youtu.be/Mm0DX_-23aE
[LOL]
buffalobo
08-17-2020, 14:24
Dumb azzes. Good thing the cops were there to protect them.
Bailey Guns
08-17-2020, 14:27
That dude got a rebate on his life thanks to the cops he probably hates.
Denver City Council Votes To Table ‘Peace Force’ Proposal (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/denver-city-council-votes-to-table-peace-force-proposal/ar-BB184z1m)
Some sanity kicked in?
DENVER (CBS4) – Denver City Council voted to suspend a proposal that aims to to replace the Denver Police Department with a “peace force.” The vote came during the council’s Monday night meeting.
The vote put the proposal on hold along with two other bills that would have limited power in other city offices.
Only the bill’s sponsor Councilwoman Candi Cedebaca voted in favor of the proposal to replace the police, had it passed it would have been once step closer to becoming a ballot measure this November.
Denver City Council Votes To Table ‘Peace Force’ Proposal (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/denver-city-council-votes-to-table-peace-force-proposal/ar-BB184z1m)
Some sanity kicked in?
I don’t trust them at all. Instead of working through the legislative process in public. they will probably sneak in changes through budget and administrative ways.
.455_Hunter
08-18-2020, 07:20
Denver City Council Votes To Table ‘Peace Force’ Proposal (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/denver-city-council-votes-to-table-peace-force-proposal/ar-BB184z1m)
Some sanity kicked in?
I have to give them credit for at least doing that. The other cities have gone full support on the stupid.
SideShow Bob
08-18-2020, 20:06
I don’t trust them at all. Instead of working through the legislative process in public. they will probably sneak in changes through budget and administrative ways.
You forgot to mention their non-public closed door meetings.
Great-Kazoo
08-18-2020, 23:53
I have to give them credit for at least doing that. The other cities have gone full support on the stupid.
Based on this part of the story. Giving them credit, for something, as mentioned, they'll slide in to some education, or homeless shelter bill. Yeah good luck
The biggest concern raised by fellow council members was the timing, and that they felt there needed to be more time to deliver a thoughtful proposal.
?I want to always ensure that my constituents have the time to throuroughly understand what this means,? Council President Stacie Gilmore said when explaining her ?no? vote.
In an interview ahead of the vote, CdeBaca said she would not be surprised if her colleagues voted against the idea, and that she believed it would be a decision left to the people.
?If this is doesn?t pass tonight it will be coming to the ballot sometime regardless because citizens can get things on the ballot,? she said.
There's no majority of citizens wanting to get rid of policing. There are some nuts, but they thankfully aren't in the majority.
Really nice of Aurora PD to advise businesses along Colfax of the impending “peaceful protests” coming this weekend. Things like installing grates over windows, boarding them up, having plans for their employees to evacuate safely, cloud storage for their video surveillance.
I’m sure the new chief has things well in hand......or not [LOL]
buffalobo
08-19-2020, 18:42
Looks like protest cancelled by Elijah McClain's mother.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.9news.com/amp/article/news/local/elijah-mcclain/elijah-mcclain-protest-letter/73-fbb7ed54-0163-4c39-adc4-d6ff99277898
BushMasterBoy
08-19-2020, 19:47
Injecting people with ketamine on the streets? Surely you can just restrain them with handcuffs, etc. Without a toxicology report, administration of ketamine is reckless. Aurora paramedics killed that guy. At the very least this is medical malpractice, at the worst this is simply murder.
CDPHE is worthless. With the COVID-19 pandemic, injecting ketamine into those that are infected could cause serious breathing problems. Not to mention the neurologic symptoms typical of COVID-19.
https://coloradosun.com/2020/07/23/ketamine-use-paramedics-elijah-mclain/
Bailey Guns
08-19-2020, 21:15
The kid's behavior got him killed as much as anything else.
Looks like protest cancelled by Elijah McClain's mother.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.9news.com/amp/article/news/local/elijah-mcclain/elijah-mcclain-protest-letter/73-fbb7ed54-0163-4c39-adc4-d6ff99277898
Good on her for recognizing that her son's death was being used as an excuse to do things contrary to the memory of her son.
Great-Kazoo
08-19-2020, 22:19
Looks like protest cancelled by Elijah McClain's mother.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.9news.com/amp/article/news/local/elijah-mcclain/elijah-mcclain-protest-letter/73-fbb7ed54-0163-4c39-adc4-d6ff99277898
still will not stop them, from wreaking havoc
The mom is saying what a lot of othe POC's have been saying. Their message has been co opted by people more interested in causing damage and violence. Than actually seeking reform.
Yes, the concern is the protests are still going forward even with his mother saying she has cancelled her event.
BPTactical
08-20-2020, 08:47
Appears that Aurora PD has issued an "Advisory" to businesses along Colfax for the weekend regarding potential looting as in board up your windows, remove valuables beforehand etc.
Mitey Fine Puleece work there APD
Appears that Aurora PD has issued an "Advisory" to businesses along Colfax for the weekend regarding potential looting as in board up your windows, remove valuables beforehand etc.
Mitey Fine Puleece work there APD
Hard to fight criminals when they're too busy choking out and doping up autistic kids walking home from the convenience store.
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 10:05
The police didn't dope anyone up. And from what source did you learn McClain was autistic?
The police didn't dope anyone up. And from what source did you learn McClain was autistic?
It was directed by LE to EMS resulting from an unnecessary escalation that led to a classic spectrum response, which even for someone not on the spectrum would be understandable. And, given their egregious, unprofessional, unethical, and completely insensitive post-incident behavior, which led to multiple cops being fired, it's pretty safe to say that they approached him looking for a fight and engendered the response they got precisely because of the fact that he was self-described as "different".
Watched a lot of videos of him. Dude was almost certainly on the spectrum and there's tons of article by parents of autistic children who immediately recognized it as well. Dude was Spergier than a D&D game held in a Programmer's cubicle.
OneGuy67
08-20-2020, 11:56
LE can't direct EMS to do anything. The EMT's work under a doctors license and they only can do what is authorized from that doctor.
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 12:06
So, the short answer is you don't know that he was autistic. The officers didn't know he was autistic. As a matter of fact, as far as I can tell, he wasn't diagnosed as autistic. I disagree with your assessment the officers were looking for a fight. Following a distinct pattern of people who die at the hands of police, McClain immediately became argumentative and resisted officers who had a legitimate reason to contact him. Then he became combative. That's not acceptable. And I also can't find any reference that LE "directed" EMS to give McClain a ketamine injection. And never in 15 years of working the streets have I ever seen a police officer direct EMS to do anything medically related. As far as I can tell the only thing the officers did was try to hold him still while EMS administered the injection.
I don't disagree with the firing of the officers for their unprofessional conduct with the photo incident. I do find the timing of the outrage over this incident to be suspicious. Frankly, I think it's politically motivated as "the right thing to do" in the current climate where so many falsely claim police are indiscriminately killing black males.
I've seen many people question why it took "so many officers" to control McClain. People who haven't been in that situation don't understand how difficult it can be to control someone without hurting them. Most of what people say about this incident is said out of ignorance. As a matter of fact, most of what people say about police work is said out of ignorance.
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 12:12
And, BTW... Being and introvert or "different" doesn't give you license to resist the police. It may play well to bleeding hearts but it doesn't mean anything to officers on the street...for good reason.
What do you think would've happened if McClain had identified himself to officers and cooperated with their brief investigation? It's speculation on my part but I'm gonna say they would've done what they needed to do and McClain would've continued his walk home. He made the decision to resist and fight the police. At what point does personal accountability come into play?
clodhopper
08-20-2020, 12:55
As I understand it.....
The police were responding to a report of a suspicious person. McClain was wearing a full head/face ski mask in the middle of summer (remember, pre-covid that would have been v suspicious) and talking/arguing with himself. Because it was reported, the protocols required the police make contact with the individual. It went sideways from there.
At some point in the past, a rule was enacted to improve some situation that required police actually follow up on a reported issue, regardless of the report. So the cops HAD to interact with Elijah, regardless if they thought the situation didn't require it. They weren't out trolling for a victim. I can only guess that ketamine was introduced after some combative or violent or unstable person was injured getting arrested and the brilliant idea that someone came up with to prevent that from happening again was to blindly inject combative people with ketamine. I understand it makes things safer for the officers involved, but there are so many potential medical issues with blind injections I just cant see how it is a good direction to be headed. But again, to meet the demands of the public or that of a publicly elected official, the protocols used on Elijah were put in place by people above those expected to use them in the field. As long as the officers/EMS followed protocol, they should be exempt of any wrongdoing.
I agree the photo thing was in very bad taste. Wrong. I am on the fence that such an act immediately results in losing a job. People are imperfect and make mistakes. Just because they work for the gov doesn't eliminate that aspect. I am amazed at how often a poor choice of words online results in pitchforks and torches to have them fired and ruined. I thought people had the chance to apologize, learn from mistakes and be better people, but in today's age I guess not. Sad.
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 14:59
I just watched the body cam footage from all the officers. They were polite and professional during the contact. Many, many times they told McClain "it's not a big deal", "just relax", "calm down" and other things trying to talk him down. McClain refused to follow directions from the moment the officers contacted him. He fought before and after he was restrained. His death was brought on by his actions and maybe the ketamine. The autopsy report says the level of ketamine in his system was "therapeutic". The report says it can't be determined if the carotid hold contributed to his death. It does say his physical exertion "most likely" contributed to his death.
Stop. Resisting. Police.
Fight them in court if you wanna fight.
SideShow Bob
08-20-2020, 17:22
Damn ! This beginning to warm up a bit....... [Pop] Wonder where the ban hammer is going to hit........[hammer]
BushMasterBoy
08-20-2020, 17:23
It was the police officer that said that Elijah McClain would be administered ketamine before the ambulance was on the scene. This statement was recorded on camera. The District Attorney did not mention the police officers words in his statement.
This case stinks. Elijah McClain vomited before he was injected with ketamine. You do not want to sedate with ketamine if a patient is vomiting. If the injection accidentally becomes an intravenous injection instead of a intramuscular injection, it will most likely result in death. A ketamine injection is a very serious medical treatment. The injection was administered while the patient was lying on ground I assume, according to the DA's statement. In the dark, on the grass, injecting a vomiting patient with ketamine? RUFKM? Just the chance of the patient suffocating on their own vomit is enough to rule out using that drug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfzJzAm-OV0
http://adamsbroomfieldda.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ICD-8-24-19.pdf
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 18:19
BFD... The cops can say EMTs are gonna do open heart surgery on a patient when they arrive. Doesn't mean they're going to. Cops do not tell EMTs how to treat a patient and they sure as hell don't order EMTs to administer medications. The only time they'll come close to telling an EMT what to do is for safety...like when a patient needs to be moved for safety reasons when there's an active threat against the safety of the EMTs and/or the patient (ie: active shooter, etc). So it doesn't surprise me the DA doesn't care about that statement. It's irrelevant. And it's probably not the first time they've seen EMTs administer ketamine to a combative suspect/patient.
As far as the administering of ketamine to certain patients? I have no clue. That's between the EMTs and the attending physician. And does ketamine have some sort of bad reaction with a patient when it's dark...or does it react negatively when the patient is on the grass? I really don't see what those two things have to do with anything. I've seen far more complicated medical procedures than an injection performed by EMTs after dark on grass, pavement, concrete, floors, etc. McClain was struggling at the time. I don't see a problem with that at all. Cops don't care if the EMTs give the guy an injection of ketamine or Kool-Aid. It's not their job to supervise EMTs.
I have no problem criticizing cops when they do wrong. But I'm not gonna jump on the ACAB bandwagon...especially when the cops acted appropriately.
BushMasterBoy
08-20-2020, 19:12
It is a "BFD" when you cause someones death. The City of Aurora will have to answer in federal court. The financial liability is huge. I can't see a jury ruling against the plaintiff in this case. The only question would be the dollar amount awarded to the family. I'll bet the insurance company will offer 7 figure settlement. And I'm being civil about this case...
Bailey Guns
08-20-2020, 20:03
Well of course the liability is huge. But not because of that statement. It's because the kid died. It doesn't change the fact the ketamine is on the medics...not the cops. It's also a big deal because of the political climate. Do you think it's just coincidence this case became a national issue almost a year after it happened?
Watch what happens this weekend on East Colfax. The APD better step up or things are going to get bad real fast.
Truly wish the best for any business and homeowner around this planned riot.
I for one, entirely believe that the fault lies entirely on the brand selection of dodge vs. ford police cruisers.
Confused? In other words, nobody is changing anyone's mind where this is tracking. It's okay to agree to disagree.
BushMasterBoy
08-20-2020, 22:39
I think this case is huge because the governor has appointed the attorney general as a special prosecutor and largely ignored the finding of the local prosecutor. This is unprecedented in Colorado history. I am expecting a state grand jury to rule on this case and they will operate secretly. This enables testimonies from witnesses who fear testifying. It also enables the attorney general to order CBI and other agencies to dig deeper in this case.
https://coloradosun.com/2020/07/02/elijah-mcclain-special-prosecutor-how-it-works/
More like tar & feathers . It's way past time for being nice.
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buffalobo
08-23-2020, 07:44
So they decided to tear up area around capital instead of Aurora.
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/local/protests/protesters-dpd-headquarters/73-80d28d47-a77c-4c60-94c8-3e50e42f004a
Well glad to see it was peaceful [Sarcasm2]
So they decided to tear up area around capital instead of Aurora.
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/local/protests/protesters-dpd-headquarters/73-80d28d47-a77c-4c60-94c8-3e50e42f004a
Protesting at a different city.
Aurora dodged a destruction last night.
Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?
It seems to me that on one side, we have emboldened protesters, including a segment of rioters, looters, and provocateurs that are mostly operating without consequence and continually asking for more. There are a lot of peaceful protesters too but there is a growing "entitlement" so to speak where they believe the outcome they want is required. Meanwhile all of that also firmly entrenches and polarizes the opposing side, and everyone in the middle observing everything ends up themselves getting polarized in one direction or the other.
I see this getting worse, but I'm not so sure I ever see it "getting better". I guess there's some hope they'd freeze their butts off in the wintertime, but I'm not sure that's going to do any more than dampen it unless we get feet of snow. And even then, I'm not so sure this is blown over in 2021, especially if Trump is re-elected.
Everyone is so hot headed on the issues now its been ripe for foreign interference to try to increase tension however possible, not that they need to try hard. It's obvious what their end-game goal is.
To the point, it makes me wonder what the final outcome really is going to be. I feel almost like we're just waiting for some kind of tragedy to occur at a protest which inevitably boils the pot over in a way we can't recover from, and it's almost surprising it hasn't happened.
Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?
It seems to me that on one side, we have emboldened protesters, including a segment of rioters, looters, and provocateurs that are mostly operating without consequence and continually asking for more. There are a lot of peaceful protesters too but there is a growing "entitlement" so to speak where they believe the outcome they want is required. Meanwhile all of that also firmly entrenches and polarizes the opposing side, and everyone in the middle observing everything ends up themselves getting polarized in one direction or the other.
I see this getting worse, but I'm not so sure I ever see it "getting better". I guess there's some hope they'd freeze their butts off in the wintertime, but I'm not sure that's going to do any more than dampen it unless we get feet of snow. And even then, I'm not so sure this is blown over in 2021, especially if Trump is re-elected.
Everyone is so hot headed on the issues now its been ripe for foreign interference to try to increase tension however possible, not that they need to try hard. It's obvious what their end-game goal is.
To the point, it makes me wonder what the final outcome really is going to be. I feel almost like we're just waiting for some kind of tragedy to occur at a protest which inevitably boils the pot over in a way we can't recover from, and it's almost surprising it hasn't happened.
Nope. This will end ugly.
hollohas
08-23-2020, 12:18
Can anyone envision a peaceful resolution down the road to all of this?
No. I wanted to think there was, but every day I'm becoming more convinced this doesn't have a peaceful resolution.
Many times the only thing that can bring two polar opposites together is if they both get attacked, if they have a common enemy. I don't even think that would bring the country together now. A significant percentage of the country would join the enemy, they already have basically. Unity and patriotism took hold for just a bit after 9/11, but that faded quickly and division has been taking hold since.
Nothing will make these rioters happy. Nothing will make the Marxists happy. Increasingly, nothing will make the Left happy. Hell, LEO have been fired. LEO's have been put in jail. The police have been defunded in places. That's what they demand. But they still riot. We could give them everything and they'd just demand more using violent threats.
On the other hand, if the country flat shut them down. Used extreme measures to stop the riots. Put these terrorists in jail. Stopped Marxist policies. Voted out Marxist politicians. A strict "better dead than Red" campaign. That wouldn't be peaceful either.
And that's just an example of the riots/BLM/antifa nonsense. What about teacher's unions refusing to send teachers back to school. Entire school districts demanding parents NOT observe online classes. Groups of people advocating for pedophilia. Groups advocating in favor of killing babies. Colleges running courses which state from day one that conservative viewpoints will result in expulsion. Demands for reparations. Demands for redistribution. Elected officials deciding by EO what business will fail. On and on and on. Some of these issues don't have a middle ground. Many of them don't.
Families are disowning each other based on opinions on some of these issues and others. It's happening A LOT. My FIL asked my wife over the phone a couple weeks ago who she voted for in 2016. Completely out of the blue. They weren't even discussing politics. She refused to answer. Told him it's private and it doesn't matter. That she just wanted to talk about coordinating piano lessons for our kids with my MIL. He pushed and pushed and when she wouldn't answer, he called her a smug bitch and hung up. He's NEVER done anything like that before. He's always been left, but never rude about it. We've always avoided political conversations with him and he's always respected that. But now their relationship is over. And for what? It would have been worse if she answered. I know for a fact, we're not the only family experiencing this.
As a country, we've reached the point of irreconcilable differences.
This division is going to take at least a generation to fix. And the country won't look the same anymore. I'm convinced of that now.
Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited. Then the cops in Atlanta (Rayshard Brooks) are acquited. And then the cops in Aurora (Elijah) are acquited. They were all over-charged by political DA's who will almost certainly lose.
Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited. Then the cops in Atlanta (Rayshard Brooks) are acquited. And then the cops in Aurora (Elijah) are acquited. They were all over-charged by political DA's who will almost certainly lose.
Atlanta DA already lost...the election.
Zundfolge
08-23-2020, 15:16
Just wait until the cops in the George Floyd case are acquited.
Just wait until Trump wins re-election.
I don't see how we remain a country much longer to be honest. And the instant it erupts into actual civil war, the Chinese will invade.
Hopefully that asteroid that's headed this way is big enough, and on target enough to just wipe the earth out.
No. I wanted to think there was, but every day I'm becoming more convinced this doesn't have a peaceful resolution.
Many times the only thing that can bring two polar opposites together is if they both get attacked, if they have a common enemy. I don't even think that would bring the country together now. A significant percentage of the country would join the enemy, they already have basically. Unity and patriotism took hold for just a bit after 9/11, but that faded quickly and division has been taking hold since.
Nothing will make these rioters happy. Nothing will make the Marxists happy. Increasingly, nothing will make the Left happy. Hell, LEO have been fired. LEO's have been put in jail. The police have been defunded in places. That's what they demand. But they still riot. We could give them everything and they'd just demand more using violent threats.
On the other hand, if the country flat shut them down. Used extreme measures to stop the riots. Put these terrorists in jail. Stopped Marxist policies. Voted out Marxist politicians. A strict "better dead than Red" campaign. That wouldn't be peaceful either.
And that's just an example of the riots/BLM/antifa nonsense. What about teacher's unions refusing to send teachers back to school. Entire school districts demanding parents NOT observe online classes. Groups of people advocating for pedophilia. Groups advocating in favor of killing babies. Colleges running courses which state from day one that conservative viewpoints will result in expulsion. Demands for reparations. Demands for redistribution. Elected officials deciding by EO what business will fail. On and on and on. Some of these issues don't have a middle ground. Many of them don't.
Families are disowning each other based on opinions on some of these issues and others. It's happening A LOT. My FIL asked my wife over the phone a couple weeks ago who she voted for in 2016. Completely out of the blue. They weren't even discussing politics. She refused to answer. Told him it's private and it doesn't matter. That she just wanted to talk about coordinating piano lessons for our kids with my MIL. He pushed and pushed and when she wouldn't answer, he called her a smug bitch and hung up. He's NEVER done anything like that before. He's always been left, but never rude about it. We've always avoided political conversations with him and he's always respected that. But now their relationship is over. And for what? It would have been worse if she answered. I know for a fact, we're not the only family experiencing this.
As a country, we've reached the point of irreconcilable differences.
This division is going to take at least a generation to fix. And the country won't look the same anymore. I'm convinced of that now.
That's generally the perception I feel too. I'm not certain that it'll end in e.g. swaths of violence yet, but more so than anytime in my life it does feel like we're on an interstate to Rome, so to speak. It's hard to fathom how the union will manage to stay together if this degradation continues, and it feels all but inevitable that it will continue. But even then, the ramifications of the disease that is happening in 2020, although possibly terminal, could take many years or decades before it finally "kills things off", or maybe much shorter, I'm not going to act like I know how fast it is happening.
That's not to imply the world ends for us either, just as the roman people by far and large kept on living.
I do feel like we saw peak 'Merica possibly in the 90's before the .com bust, or potentially 2001 as you mentioned. There doesn't seem to be a way back.
Zundfolge
08-23-2020, 15:43
That's not to imply the world ends for us either, just as the roman people by far and large kept on living.
If we're not strong and powerful and able to project that power around the world there are too many people that won't let us keep on living.
If we're not strong and powerful and able to project that power around the world there are too many people that won't let us keep on living.
No doubt a sizable portion of the world wouldn't cry if we all perished. But, what we have is also valuable and people themselves are valuable, even dating back to the most ancient of conflicts, it's historically very rare to exterminate a populace. Even if our government vomits through its nose, if anything it could make it even riskier for a foreign government to try anything overt, as we'd have less to lose by pressing the "nuke" button at that point. I think they just want us to self destruct through covert means inciting civil strife, wiping out the populace doesn't seem like isn't on anyone's agenda whom actually poses a risk to accomplish it.
I tend to think we'd just fragment into smaller countries. Whether that is from violent internal conflict or not, the net effect of that accomplishes the desires of at least Russian and China - much like the EU, militarily and economically we'd be no competition anymore to impede their own interests in their own regions. I don't think they really want to invest the real blood and money to try to force an interest in ours - the exception being of course, covert interests which they already do.
Great-Kazoo
08-23-2020, 18:12
IMO the reason trump has not let the federal agency's and NG out, in force, is. IF they did it plays in to the lefts hand. Saying See we told you trump, is a dictator and will use the military to subdue the "People".
Like i've said before and i'll say again. These riots across D controlled strongholds is a warm up. Biden wins, they feel they've been given a mandate to purge any visible, or potential thinking, that goes againt their feels.
Trump wins, well we've been seeing biden and others, for a few months, saying trump is already influencing the elections. Which will empower the rioters to really kick it up a notch.
RblDiver
08-24-2020, 02:29
Meanwhile, over in Wisconsin, the governor doesn't just throw the police under the bus before any investigation is done, he runs over them a few times, and hits 'em with a baseball bat for good measure.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/24/photos-video-state-of-emergency-declared-after-riot-breaks-out-over-the-shooting-of-jacob-blake-in-kenosha/
"While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country."
Bailey Guns
08-24-2020, 05:17
I've only seen the short video and read the early reports so details are sketchy. But, on the surface, this looks like another (black) person who decides to completely ignore police officers and thinks he can do anything he wants. Raise your hand if you know better than to resist police officers then reach inside a vehicle with your back to them while they're trying to detain you.
He could've been reaching inside the car for something totally innocuous or he may have been reaching for a gun or other weapon. We just don't know at this point. Whatever it was he was trying to get to it was a poor decision that lead to his getting shot.
On the other hand, if he needed to be detained I'm not sure why the officers would just let him wander around the car to even get to a position where he could open a door and reach inside. If I were part of the investigation I'd wanna know why they didn't go hands on earlier in the contact and keep him away from the car.
This is a tough one and it's sure to raise the tension level significantly. Fuckin' people, man.
The guy had a warrant for domestic violence and a gun was found in the vehicle's console, from what I gleaned staying up way too late last night following the stupidity. He's also still alive.
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Bailey Guns
08-24-2020, 10:28
The guy had a warrant for domestic violence and a gun was found in the vehicle's console...
Well there ya go. I'm sure he was just reaching into the car for his bible, though.
A collection of shhhtuff here regarding the evening's shenanigans: https://us24news.com/blog/2020/08/24/violence-erupts-in-wisconsin-after-shooting-of-black-man-cop-brutally-attacks-incendiary-weapons-launched-at-police/
Bailey Guns
08-24-2020, 10:48
“While we do not have all of the details yet," the governor said in a statement, "what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.”
I see the WI governor learned his lessons well on how to step on his dick from Obama. What's wrong with generic remarks that don't place blame until you know what the fuck you're talking about?
Bailey Guns
08-24-2020, 11:18
Where did you hear he had a gun in the car? I can't find a reference to that anywhere.
Where did you hear he had a gun in the car? I can't find a reference to that anywhere.
Reported on another forum by guys that also did the lookup for the warrant, but it's still regarded as 'rumor'. They apparently have information not yet made public. I'm still waiting for corroboration.
Sorry I wasn't clearer about that. I was up until 3:45am and still need another cup of coffee.
Shooting was after 5pm and full blown riots were only a few hours after, so the rioters also weren't waiting for the facts of the matter.
OneGuy67
08-24-2020, 12:32
On the other hand, if he needed to be detained I'm not sure why the officers would just let him wander around the car to even get to a position where he could open a door and reach inside. If I were part of the investigation I'd wanna know why they didn't go hands on earlier in the contact and keep him away from the car.
You know why, its optics due to the recent activity across the nation. Hell, one of our guys was told by his supervisor to not arrest black males due to the current environment. Can you believe that would have EVER been said at any other time?
Bailey Guns
08-24-2020, 12:51
Yeah, that's crazy. But this guy had already been tasered, apparently. Then he got up and tried to get inside his car.
BushMasterBoy
08-24-2020, 18:11
Eventually somebody is going to protect themselves and property using firearms. It is going to be a massacre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WZeT9vr2-g
Yeah, that's crazy. But this guy had already been tasered, apparently. Then he got up and tried to get inside his car.
Yep. Good shoot, IMO.
They have to assume he’s either going for a weapon in the vehicle or about to flee/turn vehicle into weapon.
There is a difference between being a legally justified shoot and a "good shoot". There's a huge amount of times that police would have had legal justification to shoot someone in the last couple months and wisely haven't. And it's not that it is inherently wrong, but they have an extra level of control to avoid escalating tensions beyond a boiling point that can get a shit-ton of innocent people killed. In no way am I condemning the officer, but it was incredibly unwise to do that. I agree, there are many instances that a peep has retrieved a weapon from a vehicle. Still, the officer with signs on target would have an advantage if he did, granted, to some minimized threat remaining to his and their lives. Yet, much of the public doesn't comprehend that, and as a result, there's far greater risk to life in general now.
"There is a difference between a legally justified shoot and a "good shoot."" I wholeheartedly disagree, If the shoot was good, it was justified. If you are justified in pulling the trigger, it was a good shoot. If there is an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death and you are killed because you hesitated due to "political correctness", I will not feel bad for you. Unless you've been in a situation where you had to make life/death decisions in a split second, you have no right to judge those of us who have. Action beats reaction...proven fact. I don't mind gambling $100 away at the casino, however; I refuse to gamble with my life vs. a deadly threat.
Yep. Good shoot, IMO.
They have to assume he’s either going for a weapon in the vehicle or about to flee/turn vehicle into weapon.
Agreed. In LE, it's referred to as a "Furtive movement".
Bailey Guns
08-25-2020, 05:10
Yet, much of the public doesn't comprehend that, and as a result, there's far greater risk to life in general now.
Much of the public can't comprehend the difference between shit and Shinola.
theGinsue
08-25-2020, 07:34
Much of the public can't comprehend the difference between shit and Shinola.
Serious thread. Needs just a little bit of levity to balance it out.
rDXN7T3-Jrg
I have an old friend (was stationed with him twice, he was one of my first friends at my first permanent duty station) who owns a business (Trolly Dogs (https://trolley-dogs.business.site/), a Chicago-style hotdog eatery) on a corner in downtown Kenosha. I haven't been able to get him on the phone the last couple of days to find out if his restaurant has been harmed.
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2020, 07:57
Eventually somebody is going to protect themselves and property using firearms. It is going to be a massacre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WZeT9vr2-g
Looks like the opposing team has finally taken the field
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/portland-police-far-right-proud-boys-094500346.html
Meanwhile, over a loudspeaker, police encouraged those present to “self-monitor for criminal activity.” In essence, the PPB had thrown up its hands.
In a statement to The Washington Post, the bureau said that officers were tired from responding to ongoing demonstrations against racism and police brutality, which have kept Portland in the national spotlight for weeks. Officers wouldn’t intervene in small skirmishes between “willing participants,” even if the clashes fit the city’s definition of a riot.
“Each skirmish appeared to involve willing participants and the events were not enduring in time, so officers were not deployed to intervene,” the bureau said of Saturday’s events. “PPB members have been the focus of over 80 days of violent actions directed at the police, which is a major consideration for determining if police resources are necessary to interject between two groups with individuals who appear to be willingly engaging in physical confrontations for short durations.”
Holger Danske
08-25-2020, 08:06
Warning shots fired as protesters try to take it to the burbs
https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2020, 08:07
OF course NOW the protesters and media are OUTRAGED over the as labelled VIOLENT actions of WHITE RACIST, TRUMP SUPPORTERS
Te irony of this entire deal is simply amazing. Burning & looting when protesting the cops and most of all their OMB syndrome is "acceptable". YET when those who (for what ever reason) decide to "clash" all of a sudden it's now VIOLENT! .
Yet it seems there's the usual request going out for people to dress up in Maga clothing to attack protesters, for a photo op
about 2/3 down the page
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1297271644109467648
Bailey Guns
08-25-2020, 08:11
Hey, HuffPo...live in an alternate reality much?
I don't think I've ever seen a more slanted news story. And the media sets the bar pretty high. HuffPo outdid themselves with that one.
Going back to Jacob Blake. I saw and earlier lengthy video showing him being tazed, running after the LEO and smashing a car into a police car. I did not see an SUV in that video. I thought it was part of the same encounter leading to the shooting. Now I cannot find anything close to that video on Google. Thinking now it was another unrelated event.
Warning shots fired as protesters try to take it to the burbs
https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/
I think it's only a matter of time before we see someone or several folks level a large group of rioters with a healthy dose of lead. This is a massive powder keg and the rioters are throwing boxes of lit matches at it.
Bailey Guns
08-25-2020, 11:27
Going back to Jacob Blake. I saw and earlier lengthy video showing him being tazed, running after the LEO and smashing a car into a police car. I did not see an SUV in that video. I thought it was part of the same encounter leading to the shooting. Now I cannot find anything close to that video on Google. Thinking now it was another unrelated event.
He has a pretty violent criminal history. There are actually two videos of this encounter where he gets shot. One from the other side of the car where it's clear he's fighting and resisting police officers.
Jacob Blake is a thug, plain and simple. He earned every round fired into his worthless body. Why people choose to revere this kind of person to the point of burning down a city in his name is mind boggling to me.
beast556
08-25-2020, 12:20
Why people choose to revere this kind of person to the point of burning down a city in his name is mind boggling to me.
They are thugs also. People are sheep they will follow what ever the new hotness is.
Aloha_Shooter
08-25-2020, 12:23
Jacob Blake is a thug, plain and simple. He earned every round fired into his worthless body. Why people choose to revere this kind of person to the point of burning down a city in his name is mind boggling to me.
Nothing surprises me anymore after the deification of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.
Agreed. In LE, it's referred to as a "Furtive movement".
I heard this morning that the individual in question was 'known to law enforcement' (likely a frequent flier), had previously been aggressive toward police, and was known to keep firearms in his vehicle.
There's a second video from the other side of the vehicle where Blake is wrestling with the officers before he gets up and walks around the vehicle.
Will be interesting to get more of the details.
The people in Kenosha that are burning the town down will be complaining about being 'underserved' and having to drive to get groceries, prescriptions, etc. in 3....2....1.
Warning shots fired as protesters try to take it to the burbs
https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/24/watch-kenosha-residents-fire-warning-shots-as-rioters-threaten-neighborhoods/
Loved this comment;
"Marxists cosplaying as Democrats", is such a wonderful phrase, I must steal/copy It! Epic really!
That guy on his porch has the right idea.
" You dummies want to play at "revolution"? I'm your huckleberry!"
Bailey Guns
08-25-2020, 17:34
Perfect comment. It explains so much with 4 words. That comment needs to get some air time.
BushMasterBoy
08-25-2020, 18:29
This incident happened in Bedford, Pennsylvania. It did not happen in Wisconsin.
https://www.wtae.com/article/one-person-in-the-hospital-after-shots-fired-at-protesters-in-bedford-county/33790109
hollohas
08-25-2020, 18:40
Did you all see the video of armed Kenosha rioters holding up a police APC the other night?
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297770791891656706?s=20
Great-Kazoo
08-25-2020, 20:31
Did you all see the video of armed Kenosha rioters holding up a police APC the other night?
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297770791891656706?s=20
CLICK, CLICK , BOOM
RblDiver
08-26-2020, 03:07
It's now hot.
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/26/armed-militia-in-kenosha-reports-shots-fired-confrontations-multiplying/
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1298499165866070016
Bailey Guns
08-26-2020, 05:03
We're rapidly on the road to becoming a second, or third world country. I vaguely remember the 68 riots. What I do seem to remember is they were much less widespread and didn't seem to have the staying power of those occurring today. I can't believe this is happening. Kenosha freakin' Wisconsin? Really?
hollohas
08-26-2020, 06:50
And here's another shooting in Kenosha last night. Rioters were headed to burn down a car dealership, one got shot.
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1298558424213594118?s=20
hollohas
08-26-2020, 07:57
It's now hot.
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/26/armed-militia-in-kenosha-reports-shots-fired-confrontations-multiplying/
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1298499165866070016The 3rd guy shot in this video had his bicep tore apart by that point blank shot. I'm no medical expert, but basing on the video I saw of his arm, he's got a long recovery ahead of him. Not smart to jump a dude with a gun especially after he's already shot at least one other guy immediately prior.
Edit: Dude was wearing "paramedic" gear and carrying a pistol when he got shot. This image doesn't show the extent of the damage as clearly as the video does.
There's a lesson here. Don't be a terrorist and try to assault people.
https://twitter.com/C_L_I_C_K/status/1298560045966405632?s=20
Bailey Guns
08-26-2020, 08:32
I was impressed by the guy in the 70s vintage woodland camo bdu's carrying the Mosin-Nagant. Tier-1 no doubt.
Bet they've cut his arm off by now...
hollohas
08-26-2020, 08:54
I think both shooting locations, the street and car dealership, are the same guy. Same clothes, same hat, same bag. Not sure which shooting came first, but the mob was clearly pursuing him in both videos.
The guy who got his arm shot stood back with his arms up at first. And he didn't get shot. But then he went to jump the citizen on the ground and earned it. I'm impressed the guy on the ground had the self control to only shoot the people who were physically in the act of jumpimg him.
I think both shooting locations, the street and car dealership, are the same guy. Same clothes, same hat, same bag. Not sure which shooting came first, but the mob was clearly pursuing him in both videos.
The guy who got his arm shot stood back with his arms up at first. And he didn't get shot. But then he went to jump the citizen on the ground and earned it. I'm impressed the guy on the ground had the self control to only shoot the people who were physically in the act of jumpimg him.
Car dealership came first. Video of him being chased and giving a cranium injection to 1 guy. Then he runs toward the police when the other fatal/arm guy happened.
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