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buffalobo
05-28-2020, 12:26
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-protests-looting-george-floyd-death
Been listening to St Paul police/fire and public works this morning. Those guys are just trying to stay on top of whats happening, several locations around area are gathering places for people to act up/out.
It would appear that from comments and statements made by officers and supervisors(through dispatch) that they believe many are from out of town only there to use legit protest as cover to agitate.
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 12:51
Oh yeah, lets go loot the T Mobile store.
Hey look, those guys are looting T Mobile, we gotta get ours, let's loot the ATT across the street. [facepalm]
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 12:52
Trying to get teams set up to deal with ruckus this afternoon. They are expecting lots of trouble.
20 man strike teams.
Already have locations with 250-300 "people" gathered/staged.
TEAMRICO
05-28-2020, 13:19
I use Verizon.....
beast556
05-28-2020, 13:34
The whole looting and rioting is disgraceful and despicable. With that said that cop murdered that guy while his 3 buddys watched and didn't step in. Once he was unconscious he is no longer a threat.
Little Dutch
05-28-2020, 14:04
I've got problems with this all around. Mob rule fueled by a complicit media desperate for revenue being part of it. Missing the first 10 or 20 minutes of that video, and only having one video is right out of the media playbook too. It sure looks damning as it is though.
I think I'll just hold my outrage for a few more days and see what else shakes out. I don't want to pull a Disney and suggest any teens wearing MAGA hats should be murdered with a woodchipper just yet...
It would have been funnier if strikethrough was a font choice so I could have done a strikethrough on "teens wearing MAGA hats" and written "police" after it. Oh well, some humor works and some doesn't
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I think I'll just hold my outrage for a few more days and see what else shakes out. I don't want to pull a Disney and suggest any teens wearing MAGA hats Police should be murdered with a woodchipper just yet...
It would have been funnier if strikethrough was a font choice so I could have done a strikethrough on "teens wearing MAGA hats" and written "police" after it. Oh well, some humor works and some doesn't
I've got problems with this all around. Mob rule fueled by a complicit media desperate for revenue being part of it. Missing the first 10 or 20 minutes of that video, and only having one video is right out of the media playbook too. It sure looks damning as it is though.
I think I'll just hold my outrage for a few more days and see what else shakes out. I don't want to pull a Disney and suggest any teens wearing MAGA hats should be murdered with a woodchipper just yet...
It would have been funnier if strikethrough was a font choice so I could have done a strikethrough on "teens wearing MAGA hats" and written "police" after it. Oh well, some humor works and some doesn't
While there is plenty of time where the encounter was not filmed, there really is no excuse to continue to kneel on someone for 3 minutes after they have completely stopped moving.
RblDiver
05-28-2020, 14:32
Nothing says "We are protesting police brutality!" like looting a Target and setting an AutoZone on fire :rolleyes:
The whole looting and rioting is disgraceful and despicable. With that said that cop murdered that guy while his 3 buddys watched and didn't step in. Once he was unconscious he is no longer a threat.
^This
No excuse for looting or the officer continuing to keep a knee in his neck after he's subdued.
People have been cooped up for months, cops empowered to arrest citizens with a heavy hand for not following arbitrary rules made up by state executives, criminals released from jails 'cuz the 'Rona, our governments have created a powder keg.
Open your family store get arrested. You can loot a family store with impunity. I'm not sure how looting a liquor store helps solve the problem, but the government has declared alcohol and weed as "essential", so there you go.
We're a long way from coming out of this mess.
Little Dutch
05-28-2020, 15:50
I've got problems with this all around. Mob rule fueled by a complicit media desperate for revenue being part of it. Missing the first 10 or 20 minutes of that video, and only having one video is right out of the media playbook too. It sure looks damning as it is though.
I think I'll just hold my outrage for a few more days and see what else shakes out. I don't want to pull a Disney and suggest any teens wearing MAGA hats should be murdered with a woodchipper just yet...
It would have been funnier if strikethrough was a font choice so I could have done a strikethrough on "teens wearing MAGA hats" and written "police" after it. Oh well, some humor works and some doesn't
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I think I'll just hold my outrage for a few more days and see what else shakes out. I don't want to pull a Disney and suggest any teens wearing MAGA hats Police should be murdered with a woodchipper just yet...
It would have been funnier if strikethrough was a font choice so I could have done a strikethrough on "teens wearing MAGA hats" and written "police" after it. Oh well, some humor works and some doesn't
Exactly like that. Thanks.
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DenverGP
05-28-2020, 15:57
While there is plenty of time where the encounter was not filmed, there really is no excuse to continue to kneel on someone for 3 minutes after they have completely stopped moving.
Agree, regardless of context, or what happened before the released vid, this was either murder or manslaughter by the cop. And every good cop should be very pissed at the cops in the video, because they just put a target on all cops.
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 16:09
25,000 listeners on scanner.
ChickNorris
05-28-2020, 16:18
Simply, Im tired of the dog-piled agendas & conflated issues of the populace. Misappropriated messages become noise, whatever the original point was, it is now lost in selfish acts & misinformation.
The entire thing is unfortunate & disappointing across the board.
kidicarus13
05-28-2020, 16:43
Where do you think this sort of nefarious activity originate in Denver?
Simply, Im tired of the dog-piled agendas & conflated issues of the populace. Misappropriated messages become noise, whatever the original point was, it is now lost in selfish acts & misinformation.
The entire thing is unfortunate & disappointing across the board.
I agree and I'd go a bit further in saying I'm just over todays society in general. Between the spoon fed sheeple that cant think for themselves that think whatever they see on crapbook and other media outlets is gospel to the popularity contest everythings become. I'm ready to be out on some land somewhere just the wife and pup and I.
I agree and I'd go a bit further in saying I'm just over todays society in general. Between the spoon fed sheeple that cant think for themselves that think whatever they see on crapbook and other media outlets is gospel to the popularity contest everythings become. I'm ready to be out on some land somewhere just the wife and pup and I.
Same. It's a helpless feeling. You know that if you try to get on some land somewhere away from it, it will still find you.
The experience makes me think of the native Americans and how everything they understood about how the world worked was destroyed.
Same. It's a helpless feeling. You know that if you try to get on some land somewhere away from it, it will still find you.
The experience makes me think of the native Americans and how everything they understood about how the world worked was destroyed.
Yep and they keep telling us every year that if it wasn’t for Columbus discovering my people that we would have never knew where we were.
ChickNorris
05-28-2020, 18:08
Seems there were shots fired at/outside our state's capital just a few moments ago.
No idea as to why or at whom
Bailey Guns
05-28-2020, 18:11
Here's another example of an incident where I typed out a very long response that would just get me in trouble. Reader's Digest version:
The officer with the knee on Floyd's neck was wrong and others there that were aware of him having a knee on Floyd's neck and not stopping it were wrong. Nothing justifies that. Nothing. But it doesn't make the kneeling officer or the others racists. It shows they're apathetic or poorly trained or both.
Nothing those officers did or didn't do justifies the behavior of the thugs crying "racism" to account for their criminal actions. Nothing. Burning your city, looting businesses and destroying property isn't going to make too many people sympathetic to your cause. Note to the people doing that: you are the asshats that look like the real racists.
Bailey Guns
05-28-2020, 18:13
I'm not aware of any race of people that didn't have their share of those who despised some others for nothing more than they were of a different race. None are innocent.
It's like the worlds slowest trainwreck lately.... you get tired of watching and move on.
Everyone agrees the turds involved are in the wrong. Reactions are going to be face-palmy. American society is largely one of unnecessary victims (instead of survivors) and little responsibility anymore, why would we expect anything else.
BushMasterBoy
05-28-2020, 18:22
Denver get more surveillance with a gunshot detector that pinpoints the shots fired.
https://www.coloradopolitics.com/denver/denver-police-to-test-shotspotter-system-wednesday-near-downtown-capitol-hill/article_e93fb25e-9f76-11ea-96db-e71f4f5f8ee3.html
And they started it back then in known "problem areas" at the time.
Five Points and Park Hill.
At the time, Park Hill was a hotspot of gang activity, and FP was still in the early stages of gentrification, ruffling a lot of feathers.
Anyone remember the shopping center that was torched, eliminating basically the only grocery around roughly 35th & Holly? Along with some other structures, which I feel were the real targets. There were active investigations regarding the other properties at the time it all went down.
If I am off a bit on streets or other deets, it's because I'm going off memory, not Google research.
Sent from somewhere...
Actually they got it January of 2015. They test it every so often.
Beat me to it. IIRC, they have a van with a bullet trap that they use for testing.
And by gang activity, I mean an uptick in inter-gang related violence.
Sent from somewhere...
Beat me to it. IIRC, they have a van with a bullet trap that they use for testing.And they used to alert the surrounding commuities/neighborhoods prior to testing to try to keep the number of calls down.
Sent from somewhere...
DavieD55
05-28-2020, 19:21
It's pretty interesting how these things for the most part always seem to occur in leftist strong holds. Perhaps there is a lot more going on here behind the scenes than what meets the eye too.
Perhaps the whole thing was deliberate to create optics to in turn create social disorder, chaos and lawessness. leftists are perfectionists at this sort of thing.
If MSM is running with it round the clock and rioters are being bused in you know there has to be at least some coordination going on.
You would think they'd figure out that they're being taken advantage of by the same people professing that they'll solve their problems if elected.
Joe Biden gets credit for the 1994 Crime Bill that put more minorities in prison. Those same minorities will sadly probably still vote for him because he professes he'll solve their problems if elected.
I don't understand "people".
hollohas
05-28-2020, 20:15
Rioting is dumb. I'll never understand it.
We've not heard a whole lot about "Race relations" since instigator in chief Obama left. There sure was a lot of this sort of stuff going on during his two terms but it feels like it's been pretty calm since.
However, the last few months really have people on edge. It's solidified for a lot of people how untrustworthy the government is. People are stressed and it probably wasn't going to take much to tip a lot of people over the edge. This was apparently that nudge. This will all be based around race, but I think there is a deeper core frustration in many.
We're such a pampered society. The videos of the looting in MN were interesting. Gone are the days of looting food, TV's, stereos and baby diapers. Everyone already has plenty of that stuff at home. Those people were stealing plush memory foam mattress toppers, throw blankets and fancy home decor.
It might be a long summer...
Do you think MN will stop sales of ammo and arms like California did for the LA riots? Do you think the NRA will do anything if they do?
Hellz Yeah Bruh!
Scuedria Ferrari ! :D
Kidding aside, don't let it be the LA riot of 4/29/1992. Store owners should protect.
https://i.imgur.com/IiDP3Km.jpg?1
It might be a long summer...
According to the Democrat governors, summer has been cancelled.
There have been confrontations between black protestors and ANTIFA.
The mob has taken over the MN 3rd precinct building and are trashing it. Breaking out windows from the inside and destroying pretty much everything.
The police cars have been trashed, so police are unable to respond to calls.
Who pays for all this damage? Taxpayers.
ETA: I won't be surprised if they burn down the 3rd precinct building. I also won't be surprised when people in that area get upset in 2 months when they call 911 and the police don't show up.
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 21:14
Burnin it down now.
Getting outta hand in Denver too.
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 21:17
Here's another example of an incident where I typed out a very long response that would just get me in trouble. Reader's Digest version:
The officer with the knee on Floyd's neck was wrong and others there that were aware of him having a knee on Floyd's neck and not stopping it were wrong. Nothing justifies that. Nothing. But it doesn't make the kneeling officer or the others racists. It shows they're apathetic or poorly trained or both.
Nothing those officers did or didn't do justifies the behavior of the thugs crying "racism" to account for their criminal actions. Nothing. Burning your city, looting businesses and destroying property isn't going to make too many people sympathetic to your cause. Note to the people doing that: you are the asshats that look like the real racists.This^^^
BushMasterBoy
05-28-2020, 21:19
It is so quiet in Pueblo, I only saw 1 Apache gunship the whole day. On the other hand the Governor of Minnesota was a member of the National Guard and the DFL. Should make for an interesting night in Minneapolis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Walz
Burnin it down now.
Getting outta hand in Denver too.
Where are you seeing about issues in Denver? Just checked a few minutes ago and nothing but a protest and report of shots fired earlier today.
hurley842002
05-28-2020, 21:31
Where are you seeing about issues in Denver? Just checked a few minutes ago and nothing but a protest and report of shots fired earlier today.https://kdvr.com/news/local/shots-fired-near-colorado-capitol-during-protest-demanding-justice-for-george-floyd/
Looks out of hand to me....
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You have a more active imagination than I. I've seen no video after dark. Seems like the popo are keeping things under control so far based on the linked info.
hurley842002
05-28-2020, 21:44
You have a more active imagination than I. I've seen no video after dark. Seems like the popo are keeping things under control so far based on the linked info.Perhaps you have a higher threshold for what you consider "out of hand", it's out of hand in my opinion. Either way, it doesn't matter, as I'm not remotely close to that cesspool, things are peaceful here.
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Saw someone lasing the helicopter in the brief moment I watched it live (hurley's link). Hard to gauge what kind of power, maybe slightly above the cheap crap. Also saw DPD marching forward with a few protesters retreating. No audio on my feed.
MN is out of control. Multiple buildings on fire, extensive property damage and looting, and not a cop or fire crew to be seen.
The official word is that they're letting the "protestors" blow off some steam.
https://www.fox9.com/news/officers-evacuated-as-rioters-set-minneapolis-police-precinct-on-fire
Oh man, too bad they weren't rioting over a minor tax increase on illegal businesses, then we could beat off about how awesome and brave they were for the next 250 years.
blacklabel
05-28-2020, 22:21
Oh man, too bad they weren't rioting over a minor tax increase on illegal businesses, then we could beat off about how awesome and brave they were for the next 250 years.
I don't follow.
I don't follow.
He's just edgelording again.
He's just edgelording again.
What's your threshold for when people should riot against government over reach?
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 23:27
It's called trolling. and you guys bit.
Reference to Boston Tea Party.
buffalobo
05-28-2020, 23:33
The idiots rioting don't even know why they are rioting. Just getting this month's useful idiot practice in.
St Paul police officers were reporting that many people appeared.to be from elsewhere and there to cause trouble.
blacklabel
05-28-2020, 23:41
It's called trolling. and you guys bit.
Reference to Boston Tea Party.
I understood the reference, just didn't understand the point. Meh.
Great-Kazoo
05-28-2020, 23:52
MN is out of control. Multiple buildings on fire, extensive property damage and looting, and not a cop or fire crew to be seen.
The official word is that they're letting the "protestors" blow off some steam.
https://www.fox9.com/news/officers-evacuated-as-rioters-set-minneapolis-police-precinct-on-fire
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fires-looting-rock-minneapolis-mans-115744068.html
Late Thursday, President Donald Trump blasted the “total lack of leadership” in Minneapolis. “Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way.
Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he said on Twitter.
BushMasterBoy
05-28-2020, 23:57
Whoever has the weapons, makes the rules. And USAA sucks.
Burning down a local liquor store/autozone/target doesnt really support your agenda against the local government. Of the shit that was burned, you can guess who is covered by insurance. (Irving, this is pointed, but not maliciously)
This differs considerably with the Tea Party. That business/profit was tied directly to a national government. In this day and age, it is damn near impossible to not cut your nose off in spite of your face.
I do not root for the day, but it will come.
Minneapolis has an internal PD problem that needs fixing. Training seems to be shit.
kidicarus13
05-29-2020, 01:35
Where do you think this sort of nefarious activity originate in Denver?The correct answer is the Colorado Capitol.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/protests-seen-in-denver-columbus-louisville-after-george-floyd-death
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200529/ec33925e18c3ef63819d1ddff281864a.jpg
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 05:01
What's your threshold for when people should riot against government over reach?
You think the inappropriate action and/or inaction by a handful of police officers, who've already been fired by the gov't they worked for, is a case of gov't overreach and analogous to the Boston tea party?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-third-precinct-police-station-set-on-fire-after-rioters-break-in
The Third Precinct police station in Minneapolis was set ablaze Thursday night as violent protests continued in the city -- and other cities across the U.S. -- following Monday's death of George Floyd, a black man who died while in police custody.
Will the police response be different if the "protesters" move to the Cherry Hills / Greenwood Village part of Minneapolis?
Zundfolge
05-29-2020, 07:22
The death at the hands of police of clearly and obviously 100% innocent Breonna Taylor, a law abiding black woman who contributed to society as an EMT; crickets.
The death at the hands of police of a potential criminal possibly resisting arrest (again not justifying his death nor the actions of the officers); riots.
And I'm supposed to see the black community as pure victims on the side of the angels?
If ever there was a time to march in the streets it was when police murdered Taylor and then charged her boyfriend with attempted murder of a police officer when it is the officers that screwed up and frankly deserved to be shot at (thankfully charges against him have been dropped). All the rioting does is make police harshness against black men seem somehow justified.
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 07:48
The death at the hands of police of clearly and obviously 100% innocent Breonna Taylor, a law abiding black woman who contributed to society as an EMT; crickets.
The death at the hands of police of a potential criminal possibly resisting arrest (again not justifying his death nor the actions of the officers); riots.
And I'm supposed to see the black community as pure victims on the side of the angels?
If ever there was a time to march in the streets it was when police murdered Taylor and then charged her boyfriend with attempted murder of a police officer when it is the officers that screwed up and frankly deserved to be shot at (thankfully charges against him have been dropped). All the rioting does is make police harshness against black men seem somehow justified.
There's a ton of stories about Taylor. I hadn't heard about her case until you posted. 7 people shot in protests in KY over her shooting.
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 07:59
The 911 call by her boyfriend was heartbreaking. He obviously had no idea what had happened.
It's called trolling. and you guys bit.
Reference to Boston Tea Party.
Yes; No, I didn't; and yes, the reference was clear.
Hence my pointing out that Irving is just edgelording, which is something he likes to do around here.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0452/4205/files/WPMY6fO.png?v=1487876599
Figure 1.0: A typical internet edgelord
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fires-looting-rock-minneapolis-mans-115744068.html
Late Thursday, President Donald Trump blasted the ?total lack of leadership? in Minneapolis. ?Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way.
Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts,? he said on Twitter.
... And Twitter had kittens about him "glorifying violence".
Hmm. Oddly that looks a bit like Irving if he was 209 lbs heavier.
Great-Kazoo
05-29-2020, 09:07
... And Twitter had kittens about him "glorifying violence".
and the same people will condemn him for NOT ACTING SOON ENOUGH! I'm well past the social justice outrage.
You want to loot. If you look at CRS for use of deadly force. Arson is considered a threat. Just saying.
Don't worry. The looting will be deliberately kept to areas where the businesses are largely covered by insurance policies.
They'll stop the rioters before things spill into residential areas.
The Open Society just wants to put on a good show for the cameras for now.
I fall to see thee logic of how police acting badly in MN demands violence and destruction of property in Denver.
I don't see the logic in looting and destroying other people's livelihood not associated with the act helps this situation.
I do see how many of the rioters are opportunistic, aka ANTIFA jackasses from outside that community.
I would have better understanding if the people being crushed under govt. tyranny held that government accountable and replaced it. It is their government.
The real problem is that it is the government they elected to have. For decades.
and the same people will condemn him for NOT ACTING SOON ENOUGH! I'm well past the social justice outrage.
You want to loot. If you look at CRS for use of deadly force. Arson is considered a threat. Just saying.
Pawn shop owner shot a rioter he believed was trying to break in and loot/burn down his pawn shop. He was arrested for murder.
I heard a pawn shop was on fire last night, not sure if it was his.
BPTactical
05-29-2020, 09:20
Funny how an entire nation can get shut down by the government, businesses forced to close, millions lose their jobs, an economy goes into the shitter, mandated to not leave their homes etc and there is barely a whimper.
One guy dies in while in custody and people are ready to burn Rome.
Surrealistic world folks
I also won't be surprised if the businesses burned out in the riots won't have their claims paid due to the circumstances of the damage. Some excuse like 'civil unrest' or something.
Zundfolge
05-29-2020, 09:34
I fall to see thee logic of how police acting badly in MN demands violence and destruction of property in Denver..
I fail to see the logic of how 4 police officers who acted badly in MN (and were instantly fired and will be investigated, and likely tried, convicted and punished) demands violence and destruction of property in the neighborhood it happened in even.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-third-precinct-police-station-set-on-fire-after-rioters-break-in
Will the police response be different if the "protesters" move to the Cherry Hills / Greenwood Village part of Minneapolis?
Well said. Just like 4/29/1992. When LA city official tey to protect wealthy neighborhood like west la and downtown.
Police arrest CNN reporter during live broadcast of Minneapolis riots
Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson
Yahoo News
May 29, 2020, 5:29 am
https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-reporter-omar-jimenez-arrested-covering-george-floyd-minneapolis-112924645.html
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 10:11
I just saw an extended version of one of the videos that shows 3 officers in total kneeling on Floyd.
https://youtu.be/ZWzkgKPZWcw
BushMasterBoy
05-29-2020, 10:12
Nobody has been arrested yet in the George Floyd case. Like their mayor said, the rest of us would already be in jail.
And that is the outrage. And the dismissal from service is just the pre-indictment.
Derek Chauvin is guilty AF & the others are just as evil for doing nothing.
COVID-19 has killed over a 100,000 US citizens and I still have a cough & bedridden.
My life truly sucks...
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 10:16
Police arrest CNN reporter during live broadcast of Minneapolis riots
Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson
Yahoo News
May 29, 2020, 5:29 am
https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-reporter-omar-jimenez-arrested-covering-george-floyd-minneapolis-112924645.html
Sometimes, when you've just stepped on your dick, it's best not to step on it again. FFS...
On the other hand, leave it to CNN to make it into a racial thing.
Sometimes, when you've just stepped on your dick, it's best not to step on it again. FFS...
On the other hand, leave it to CNN to make it into a racial thing.
I saw the entire footage and footage after that guys release. No racial shit nor race card used.
Sounds like Derek Chauvin has been arrested.
buffalobo
05-29-2020, 11:23
These officers need to stand for their actions but it will be a waste if whole thing perceived as racially motivated.
Little Dutch
05-29-2020, 11:29
I saw the entire footage and footage after that guys release. No racial shit nor race card used.
“If you’re just tuning in, you are watching our correspondent Omar Jimenez being arrested by state police in Minnesota,” said anchor Alisyn Camerota. “We’re not sure why our correspondent is being arrested.”
Shortly after, CNN aired an audio report from correspondent Josh Campbell, who was a few blocks away, and said he had been approached by police and after identifying himself as a CNN reporter was allowed to stay on the scene.
“Josh, it’s impossible not to note the difference,” Camerota said. “You are a white guy, Omar Jimenez identifies as black and Latino. ... It’s just impossible not to note the difference here.”
BPTactical
05-29-2020, 11:30
Apologies for my comment earlier
BushMasterBoy
05-29-2020, 11:48
And it is official according to Minneapolis local news.
https://kstp.com/news/arresting-officer-derek-chauvin-taken-into-custody-by-bca-george-floyd-case/5743589/
DavieD55
05-29-2020, 12:04
They'll all be acquitted of any wrong doing once people aren't looking and paying attention. The arrest or arrests are just optics to make the cities fifth column of leftists look like they're doing something right and saving the day. All the useful idiots and dumbfounded dipshits who are out burning their town down will vote for the same commie scourge once again come election time.
They'll all be acquitted of any wrong doing once people aren't looking and paying attention. The arrest or arrests are just optics to make the cities fifth column of leftists look like they're doing something right and saving the day. All the useful idiots and dumbfounded dipshits who are out burning their town down will vote for the same commie scourge once again come election time.
Not so sure about that. This is the same city that prosecuted and convicted Mohammed Noor a while back.
DavieD55
05-29-2020, 12:30
Not so sure about that. This is the same city that prosecuted and convicted Mohammed Noor a while back.
12.5 years seems like a sweetheart deal to me for a completely senseless murder. Joe Citizen would have went in for life as it should be. Mohammed.... Why the was there even a Mohammed on the police force to begin with...coexist and diversity subversive commie bullshit.
BushMasterBoy
05-29-2020, 12:41
Streets blocked by state police and national guard completely blocking the streets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqcWEgrisHE
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 12:57
12.5 years seems like a sweetheart deal to me for a completely senseless murder. Joe Citizen would have went in for life as it should be. Mohammed.... Why the was there even a Mohammed on the police force to begin with...coexist and diversity subversive commie bullshit.
Well 12.5 years is a long way from acquitted. And Joe Citizen frequently gets a more lenient sentence than that. Furthermore, are we supposed to start persecuting people based on their name, now? Or their religion? What religion are you...just so I should know if you should be allowed to work in your chosen profession?
When you say stupid shit like that you lose what credibility you might've had the next time you start bitching about how the government violates your rights.
Martinjmpr
05-29-2020, 13:06
A couple of random observations:
First of all, while the officers were fired and will likely be indicted, the disturbing part is that if any "ordinary citizen" (i.e. non cop) did what they did, they'd have been arrested and jailed IMMEDIATELY. It's the double-standard of treatment between the police and citizens that is the most galling to a lot of people (including me.)
It's akin to the Aurora cop who was found drunk on duty in his patrol car last year and then sent home - there is ZERO percent chance he would have received that treatment if he had not been a "brother officer." "Citizens" that are found in those circumstance are ALWAYS arrested at the scene.
The other observation is that if you look back even 30 - 40 years, a lot of the dystopian sci-fi imagines a world where there are cameras everywhere as being a hellish oppressive society.
So it's interesting to me that now that we DO have "cameras everywhere," what we're seeing is not a totalitarian dictatorship, but rather we're seeing those cameras being used to hold the "powers that be" accountable in ways they never would have in the past.
Think about it, if there had been no camera footage, this would have been another "Man resisted arrest and died in police custody" case at the bottom of Page 4.
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 13:20
A couple of random observations:
First of all, while the officers were fired and will likely be indicted, the disturbing part is that if any "ordinary citizen" (i.e. non cop) did what they did, they'd have been arrested and jailed IMMEDIATELY. It's the double-standard of treatment between the police and citizens that is the most galling to a lot of people (including me.)
It's akin to the Aurora cop who was found drunk on duty in his patrol car last year and then sent home - there is ZERO percent chance he would have received that treatment if he had not been a "brother officer." "Citizens" that are found in those circumstance are ALWAYS arrested at the scene.
The other observation is that if you look back even 30 - 40 years, a lot of the dystopian sci-fi imagines a world where there are cameras everywhere as being a hellish oppressive society.
So it's interesting to me that now that we DO have "cameras everywhere," what we're seeing is not a totalitarian dictatorship, but rather we're seeing those cameras being used to hold the "powers that be" accountable in ways they never would have in the past.
Think about it, if there had been no camera footage, this would have been another "Man resisted arrest and died in police custody" case at the bottom of Page 4.
I think there are flaws with your reasoning. First, I'm not sure how "Joe Citizen" would've wound up with his knee on someone's neck in the course of an arrest. But let's say it was a scuffle and "Joe Citizen" and his buddies subdued the guy and held him down. The police would've been called and if the guy was dead an immediate investigation would ensue. But that's not how it happened here. Victim was transported by paramedics and, because the arresting officers were suspects and the their criminal behavior didn't come to light until some time later, the investigation occurred after the fact. If that's the case, a warrant is generally required for the arrest.
Every single day somewhere "Joe Citizens" are not arrested immediately following a crime they committed for various reasons. Every single day "Joe Citizens" are arrested on warrants for alleged crimes they committed but weren't immediately arrested for.
And I'd be willing to take bets that Chauvin is prosecuted and convicted.
DavieD55
05-29-2020, 13:24
Well 12.5 years is a long way from acquitted. And Joe Citizen frequently gets a more lenient sentence than that. Furthermore, are we supposed to start persecuting people based on their name, now? Or their religion? What religion are you...just so I should know if you should be allowed to work in your chosen profession?
When you say stupid shit like that you lose what credibility you might've had the next time you start bitching about how the government violates your rights.
Islam isn't a religion. A theocratic government system that is incompatible with our form of government. What planet are you from...
Colorado is a rare state that permits lawful use of deadly force in cases of aggravated arson (or soon to be), my best description: Guy with a lit Molotov cocktail with his arm pulled back, ready to throw, facing your building. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm is not necessary in that rare circumstance. Nothing keeps you from paying $50,000 in attorney fees to present that defense, however.
Something that I've always failed to understand with these riots is if there's a community that is protesting a perception that they are disproportionately comprised of criminals; burning looting and burglarizing is quite counterproductive. Just like Gahndi said when nonviolently protesting:
"lets get us some TV's and hair extensions bitches!" That's the core issue why this fails to ever be a successful or meaningful protest of anything, because too many of their protesters are oxymorons.
eddiememphis
05-29-2020, 13:35
It took five days before OJ Simpson was arrested.
Aloha_Shooter
05-29-2020, 13:54
So it's interesting to me that now that we DO have "cameras everywhere," what we're seeing is not a totalitarian dictatorship, but rather we're seeing those cameras being used to hold the "powers that be" accountable in ways they never would have in the past.
Think about it, if there had been no camera footage, this would have been another "Man resisted arrest and died in police custody" case at the bottom of Page 4.
Nah, we're seeing tons of evidence of how wannabe authoritarians are misusing the surveillance society. We're also seeing how it can be used for other effects. I am still not happy about the prospects of cameras everywhere.
It took five days before OJ Simpson was arrested.
... and it was still faster than they SHOULD have arrested and charged him. OJ Simpson walked in part because the arrest and charging were done before they had finished their investigation and left huge logical holes in the argument and timelines. I'm convinced Gil Garcetti rushed to charge Simpson because he was afraid of negative consequences to his political campaign at the time if he didn't charge him immediately. End result was a case that left "reasonable doubt" (which was completely separate from the racist kneejerk defense of Simpson).
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 13:54
Islam isn't a religion. A theocratic government system that is incompatible with our form of government. What planet are you from...
From the Harvard Divinity School:
?Islam? is commonly used as the name of a religion whose followers are referred to as Muslims. In Arabic, however, the word islām literally means ?submission (to God)? so that muslim refers to ?one who submits (to God).? Another cognate of the word Islam is the Arabic word for peace, salām.
Like Christianity and Judaism, Islam emerged in the Middle East, but is now truly a world religion.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica:
Islam, major world religion promulgated by the Prophet Muhammad in Arabia in the 7th century CE.
From the Pew Research Center:
Muslims are the fastest-growing religious group in the world. The growth and regional migration of Muslims, combined with the ongoing impact of the Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) and other extremist groups that commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, have brought Muslims and the Islamic faith to the forefront of the political debate in many countries.
Headline from Foreign Policy (foreignpolicy.com):
Islam Is a Religion of Violence
From PBS.org:
Islam is the second largest of the three major monotheistic religions, the others being Christianity and Judaism.
You may be able to argue that Islam tends to advance a certain political belief. But to say it's not a religion? See my previous comment about saying stupid shit.
Great-Kazoo
05-29-2020, 13:54
It took five days before OJ Simpson was arrested.
it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too ;)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapolis-third-precinct-police-station-set-on-fire-after-rioters-break-in
Will the police response be different if the "protesters" move to the Cherry Hills / Greenwood Village part of Minneapolis?
Uh, yeah. That's probably where the politicians and their campaign contributors live. ;-)
I think there are flaws with your reasoning. First, I'm not sure how "Joe Citizen" would've wound up with his knee on someone's neck in the course of an arrest. But let's say it was a scuffle and "Joe Citizen" and his buddies subdued the guy and held him down. The police would've been called and if the guy was dead an immediate investigation would ensue. But that's not how it happened here. Victim was transported by paramedics and, because the arresting officers were suspects and the their criminal behavior didn't come to light until some time later, the investigation occurred after the fact. If that's the case, a warrant is generally required for the arrest.
Every single day somewhere "Joe Citizens" are not arrested immediately following a crime they committed for various reasons. Every single day "Joe Citizens" are arrested on warrants for alleged crimes they committed but weren't immediately arrested for.
And I'd be willing to take bets that Chauvin is prosecuted and convicted.
I'm not taking that bet. I'm no sucker.
Rucker61
05-29-2020, 14:09
Well 12.5 years is a long way from acquitted. And Joe Citizen frequently gets a more lenient sentence than that. Furthermore, are we supposed to start persecuting people based on their name, now? Or their religion? What religion are you...just so I should know if you should be allowed to work in your chosen profession?
When you say stupid shit like that you lose what credibility you might've had the next time you start bitching about how the government violates your rights.
Hear, hear.
I also won't be surprised if the businesses burned out in the riots won't have their claims paid due to the circumstances of the damage. Some excuse like 'civil unrest' or something.
Good question. I think business ins underwriter or fire and casualty might know (member we know) might know better, but generally I think damage from riot is usually included. Those insurance companies who exclude stuff like this is just no go in my book.
it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too ;)
Haha.
I remember that. Even our high school showed the footage for crit thinking classes focused on current event.
Colorado is a rare state that permits lawful use of deadly force in cases of aggravated arson (or soon to be), my best description: Guy with a lit Molotov cocktail with his arm pulled back, ready to throw, facing your building. Reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm is not necessary in that rare circumstance. Nothing keeps you from paying $50,000 in attorney fees to present that defense, however.
Something that I've always failed to understand with these riots is if there's a community that is protesting a perception that they are disproportionately comprised of criminals; burning looting and burglarizing is quite counterproductive. Just like Gahndi said when nonviolently protesting: That's the core issue why this fails to ever be a successful or meaningful protest of anything, because too many of their protesters are oxymorons.
There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.
Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.
"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"
it took them 3 hours to pull him over, too ;)
To be fair, OJ wasn't the driver. [Coffee]
There are protestors and there are rioters/anarchists/thieves/opportunists using the protest as an excuse.
Any society that's willing to destroy their city in celebration of their local professional sports team championship, is lost IMO.
"Who had the moral compass last? So, is it actually "lost" or was it "misplaced"? Where'd you use it last? Someone probably stole it, you say?"
For sure. That could be true of successful protests of yester'yore too, but the former category self-policed very effectively, which is what made them successful. There's always opportunists that will take advantage of a situation if they are permitted. E.g. there's conservative fringe groups that would love to burn stuff down too, but when there's a protest for that, they don't... because the legit protesters would either detain or possibly violently harm them. I'd bet if someone pulled a gun out during Ghandi's protests the Indians around them would've tackled them. These? Free license to be anarchists, so established in prior events its practically a calling card, there is no self enforcement and there never will be for the foreseeable future. And it's really unfortunate for those that do want to present a real message. (We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).
(We live in America after all, lawful assembly and peaceful protests are honorable).
There have even been some not so peaceful that were also honorable, IMO.
ETA: as examples, the San Francisco Vigilance Committee and the Battle of Athens
Martinjmpr
05-29-2020, 15:14
Good question. I think business ins underwriter or fire and casualty might know (member we know) might know better, but generally I think damage from riot is usually included. Those insurance companies who exclude stuff like this is just no go in my book.
"Acts of War" are generally excluded from insurance claims, but not civil unrest AFAIK.
I think the idea behind that is that in an 'act of war' it is generally a nation-state acting against the entire US, and there are likely to be many claims that could quickly bankrupt an insurance company. Furthermore, unlike fire or flood, there's really very little that any insured can do to mitigate damages from acts of war.
I don't know how many insurance claims were filed following the Sept 11th attacks but I'll bet it was in the tens or hundreds of thousands. Were they paid? I honestly don't know.
I do know that the US Government had (and AFAIK still has) an office where people who were harmed by the 9/11 attacks can submit claims and the US government pays them, but I don't know if, for example, they have to wait until they get a denial from their primary insurance before applying, or whether filing a US government claim precludes them from filing a claim with their insurance company.
I also don't know if the INSURANCE COMPANIES have the ability to file a claim for what amounts to indemnification in the event that they have to pay claims related to 9/11. It would be an interesting question but not germane to this topic, I think.
eddiememphis
05-29-2020, 15:35
Good question. I think business ins underwriter or fire and casualty might know (member we know) might know better, but generally I think damage from riot is usually included. Those insurance companies who exclude stuff like this is just no go in my book.
It's called VMM. Vandalism and Malicious Mischief.
Any decent agent will add it if it's not included.
It's called VMM. Vandalism and Malicious Mischief.
Any decent agent will add it if it's not included.
Good to know. Thank you.
Islam isn't a religion. A theocratic government system that is incompatible with our form of government. What planet are you from...
Islam is a religion, but it is also a totalitarian form of government that is wholly incompatible with The Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Islam has Allah like the Jews have Yahweh and the Christians have God and the Trinity. Islam has a single major prophet, the pedophile and murderer Mohammed. Christianity has many prophets and Jesus Christ the Savior. Islam advocates submission through violence and death, Christianity and Judaism advocate God's love and life itself.
DavieD55
05-29-2020, 18:18
From the Harvard Divinity School:
From the Encyclopedia Britannica:
From the Pew Research Center:
Headline from Foreign Policy (foreignpolicy.com):
From PBS.org:
You may be able to argue that Islam tends to advance a certain political belief. But to say it's not a religion? See my previous comment about saying stupid shit.
You can site all the libtard organizations you like and call it a religion. I'll call it a theocracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNKv82AHAKE
Bailey Guns
05-29-2020, 19:31
You can site all the libtard organizations you like and call it a religion. I'll call it a theocracy.
foreignpolicy.com is hardly liberal. Neither is the Pew Research Center. As a matter of fact, I choose those links exactly because they represent a more right viewpoint, a more left viewpoint and a non-political viewpoint. I guess I could've linked to a video from an organization founded by a disgraced former FBI agent who had sex with an informant on a very high profile criminal case, had several extra-marital affairs with female FBI agents and who resigned rather than face an FBI investigation.
You can call a pop tart a gun if you'd like. That doesn't make it so.
I still maintain you'd rather not be denied your rights based on your name or religion. I'm just glad the distribution of "rights" aren't up to people who think like you and John Guandolo.
BushMasterBoy
05-29-2020, 20:27
There is supposed to be a demonstration in downtown Pueblo near the El Pueblo History Museum tomorrow. So Saturday May 30th is probably a good day to avoid downtown Pueblo.
https://www.historycolorado.org/el-pueblo-history-museum
Below is a quote copied from Facebook and I believe it is a reliable source.
"PUEBLO FAMILY
There will be a march/protest TOMORROW AT NOON❗
We will be meeting at El Pueblo History Museum and marching to the Pueblo Police Department.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
BLACK LIVES MATTER
BROWN LIVES MATTER.
Our black relatives, our Chicano community, our Indigenous community ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE and there is ZERO police accountability.
We are coming together, UNIDOS, to take a stand and let our voices heard - NO MORE KILLINGS OF OUR PEOPLE.
Police brutality is happening everywhere - including our town of Pueblo.
Join us to march in solidarity with one another!!!!
We will have elders and immune vulnerable amongst us so we ask out of respect to them, to wear masks and practice social distancing (6ft) as best as possible. Bring your signs!
#BLACKLIVESMATTER #BROWNLIVESMATTER"
hollohas
05-29-2020, 21:11
Riots are targeting the CNN headquarters in Atlanta. They've even pushed the police back into the building and started destroying the place. Isn't that ironic.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200530/56977488c7851c8768d807d2e659eda9.jpg
BPTactical
05-29-2020, 21:12
The odd thing I noticed on the 5-6 o'clock news- for a "Black Lives Matter" rally there were not that many black people apparant, maybe a 6-1 ratio.
You think all those white, virtue signaling millenials have any idea that they are the first course if the Beast truly gets hungry and bares its fangs?
Likely not methinks.
Stay frosty
The odd thing I noticed on the 5-6 o'clock news- for a "Black Lives Matter" rally there were not that many black people apparant, maybe a 6-1 ratio.
You think all those white, virtue signaling millenials have any idea that they are the first course if the Beast truly gets hungry and bares its fangs?
Likely not methinks.
Stay frosty
Which would you prefer, that they have some sympathy to the plight of their fellow man of a different skin color, or that they're acknowledging that shit's pretty fucked for those on the lower end of the societal ladder regardless of whether they're white or black?
My mother just texted me that Las Vegas is having something similar near casino area.
The odd thing I noticed on the 5-6 o'clock news- for a "Black Lives Matter" rally there were not that many black people apparant, maybe a 6-1 ratio.
You think all those white, virtue signaling millenials have any idea that they are the first course if the Beast truly gets hungry and bares its fangs?
Likely not methinks.
Stay frosty
That's not very woke of you....
BPTactical
05-29-2020, 21:52
Which would you prefer, that they have some sympathy to the plight of their fellow man of a different skin color, or that they're acknowledging that shit's pretty fucked for those on the lower end of the societal ladder regardless of whether they're white or black?
Personally I have no preference what their happy little asses do as long as they leave me and mine alone.
I am simply stating that they have no comprehension that the animals they are feeding will turn on them at the drop of a hat.
Don't like where your at on the "Societal Ladder"? Boo Fucking Hoo! Nobody is owed anything. Reach down, pull up your big boy pants, get your work boots on and climb the damn thing.
Sick and tired of the "The world owes me a better life" candy assed crap.
You want a better life?
Be an adult, work your ass off and make it better for yourself because nobody is going to give it to you.
At least Covid-19 is cured.
...based on MSM coverage.
They are wearing mask......... for OC and CS canister. [LOL]
The MN curfew was completely ignored. More businesses are being destroyed tonight and no police presence.
Personally I have no preference what their happy little asses do as long as they leave me and mine alone.
I am simply stating that they have no comprehension that the animals they are feeding will turn on them at the drop of a hat.
Don't like where your at on the "Societal Ladder"? Boo Fucking Hoo! Nobody is owed anything. Reach down, pull up your big boy pants, get your work boots on and climb the damn thing.
Sick and tired of the "The world owes me a better life" candy assed crap.
You want a better life?
Be an adult, work your ass off and make it better for yourself because nobody is going to give it to you.
Yeah, bullshit dude. I'm not the one calling a group of people animals. There's a lot of hard working white, black, asian, latino, whatever people that have been seeing shit go the wrong way for a long time. In a majority white city I'm glad to see white people joining with black people to initially protest injustice, even in the face of police response. I'm not a fan of looting or vandalism wherever, of course. Go ahead and keep thinking that everyone has the same opportunities and can just bootstraps themselves up in the face of massive unemployment, stagnant wages, and decades of rapidly rising real estate/rental costs while being surprised that maybe a lot of white people are realizing that the racial divides are bullshit, and that their neck isn't too far away from the boot (or knee in this case) either.
At the end of the day, former officer Derek Chauvin knelt on a man’s neck with 2, TWO, other officers holding him down, after he was cuffed, while he was pleading for air. NEVER did we do anything like that in Iraq when we *could* get away with murder, and frankly, some did.
https://i.imgur.com/Ek8tBXQ.jpg
I think hearts and minds are largely bullshit. Mess with the bull and you get the horns. But this inexcusable shit has got to stop if cops wanna live to see their families after each shift. It’s asshats like Derek Chauvin that cause MY friends, neighbors, and those I don’t know but have sworn to protect (and NOT violate basic human decency) to be in the potential crosshairs of the mob’s ire.
He was subdued. He had no weapon. What’s the worst that happens? They chase a handcuffed man and hit him with a taser?
The City of Minneapolis brought this on itself. Let it burn. They trusted his dumb ass to represent it, they can deal with the consequences.
At the end of the day, former officer Derek Chauvin knelt on a man’s neck with 2, TWO, other officers holding him down, after he was cuffed, while he was pleading for air. NEVER did we do anything like that in Iraq when we *could* get away with murder, and frankly, some did.
https://i.imgur.com/Ek8tBXQ.jpg
I think hearts and minds are largely bullshit. Mess with the bull and you get the horns. But this inexcusable shit has got to stop if cops wanna live to see their families after each shift. It’s asshats like Derek Chauvin that cause MY friends, neighbors, and those I don’t know but have sworn to protect (and NOT violate basic human decency) to be in the potential crosshairs of the mob’s ire.
He was subdued. He had no weapon. What’s the worst that happens? They chase a handcuffed man and hit him with a taser?
The City of Minneapolis brought this on itself. Let it burn. They trusted his dumb ass to represent it, they can deal with the consequences.
One of those other officers officers holding him down asked the superior officer if they should roll him to his side twice. Senior officer told him both times to hold position.
buffalobo
05-29-2020, 23:03
"There's a lot of hard working white, black, asian, latino, whatever people that have been seeing shit go the wrong way for a long time."
Pretty much covers everybody, what's the protest about?
At the end of the day, former officer Derek Chauvin knelt on a man?s neck with 2, TWO, other officers holding him down, after he was cuffed, while he was pleading for air. NEVER did we do anything like that in Iraq when we *could* get away with murder, and frankly, some did.
https://i.imgur.com/Ek8tBXQ.jpg
I think hearts and minds are largely bullshit. Mess with the bull and you get the horns. But this inexcusable shit has got to stop if cops wanna live to see their families after each shift. It?s asshats like Derek Chauvin that cause MY friends, neighbors, and those I don?t know but have sworn to protect (and NOT violate basic human decency) to be in the potential crosshairs of the mob?s ire.
He was subdued. He had no weapon. What?s the worst that happens? They chase a handcuffed man and hit him with a taser?
The City of Minneapolis brought this on itself. Let it burn. They trusted his dumb ass to represent it, they can deal with the consequences.
Pretty much. I've got sympathy for all the property and business owners who are victims, but when I saw the cops ramming their own gate down to escape their station I can't say I was upset. If your department's culture is fucked enough that nobody is knocking you off the guy, this shit will happen.
buffalobo
05-29-2020, 23:06
Easy on acting rabid, it's a discussion not the last morsel of food.
"There's a lot of hard working white, black, asian, latino, whatever people that have been seeing shit go the wrong way for a long time."
Pretty much covers everybody, what's the protest about?
I'd say it's about a guy getting murdered by a police officer while his colleagues watched.
I responded to a poster who was surprised that so many white people were joining in, and got a post in return about how people just need to work harder and it'll be ok, to which I responded that a lot of people are working their asses off and are still needing to protest this shit.
buffalobo
05-29-2020, 23:11
I'd say it's about a guy getting murdered by a police officer while his colleagues watched.
I responded to a poster who was surprised that so many white people were joining in, and got a post in return about how people just need to work harder and it'll be ok, to which I responded that a lot of people are working their asses off and are still needing to protest this shit.Protest or tear shit up?
I haven't seen much protest.
Funny, a lot of people seemed to find a lot of protest before the tear gas started in Denver at least.
We basically started by throwing the product of the era into the Boston harbor. The only change in the optic’s prescription is time.
The people of Minneapolis are acting out, perhaps with an improper target, but acting out nonetheless. And on the tail end of their lives being further disrupted and unnecessarily exacerbated in frustration by the social shutdown over a cold.
Derek Chauvin picked basically the worst time to smugly pinch off a man’s carotid.
The new video showing 3 officers on top of him looks even worse than the original. He had officers kneeling on his neck...and his torso. The officer kneeling on his kneck stayed there for 2 minutes and 37 seconds after he stopped breathing. I also heard today that the EMTs couldn't find any pulse when they picked up George Floyd.
Charging 1 officer involved isn't enough.
Protest or tear shit up?
I haven't seen much protest.
https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266481829592399872
The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y’all these white liberals are not our friends. #Democrats #GeorgeFloyd #minneapolis
The new video showing 3 officers on top of him looks even worse than the original. He had officers kneeling on his neck...and his torso. The officer kneeling on his kneck stayed there for 2 minutes and 37 seconds after he stopped breathing. I also heard today that the EMTs couldn't find any pulse when they picked up George Floyd.
Charging 1 officer involved isn't enough.
Pulse was absent before EMT arrival.
This is the criminal complaint filed for the officer's arrest. This is a direct pdf download link
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6975-derek-chauvin-complaint/cd9e96e708a9b0c8ba58/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
Pulse was absent before EMT arrival.
This is the criminal complaint filed for the officer's arrest. This is a direct pdf download link
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6975-derek-chauvin-complaint/cd9e96e708a9b0c8ba58/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
I had mentioned it because the original police report made it seem like he died at the hospital. Officers called medical asssistance for Floyd after he had no pulse and the EMTs simply confirmed it. He was pronounced dead at the hospital, but he was already dead when the EMTs got there. There was no Dr. present at the scene to pronounce the death.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kstp.com/articles/hennepin-county-attorney-mike-freeman-updates-george-floyd-case-following-former-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-arrest-5744900.html
Before going off the rails, please take a minute to read some of the facts. According to the charging documents:
1) The body cameras on the officers present were on and functional, so the statement by the governor to the effect of ?Thank God somebody had a cell phone camera or we would never know about this? is complete BS.
2) The autopsy report revealed ?...there were no findings of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. According to the autopsy, Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, which combined with 'any potential intoxicants in his system' likely contributed to his death.?
3) Floyd had other pre-existing conditions which, according to the coroner ?likely contributed to his death.? We also do not know what, if any ?potential intoxicants? were also present in Floyd?s system. See quote in #2.
4) The officers tried at least twice to place Floyd into a patrol car where he could have sat upright unobstructed, but he resisted them (according to the charging documents).
5) At least 1 of the other officers on scene specifically expressed his concern for Floyd?s body position due to ?excited delirium?, which was overruled by the senior officer (Chauvin - 19 year veteran). It is common in police department policies that the senior officer on scene is the commanding officer.
6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).
7) There is no evidence at all that the treatment of Floyd, while reckless, in violation of training, and I assume department policies, was in any way due to his race.
8) Floyd was far from an upstanding citizen, but had been released from prison in 2014 for armed robbery (pointing a gun at a woman?s stomach while searching for drugs and money https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/amp/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html
Let the facts come out, and the chips fall where they may. There are many problems with the circumstances, but there hasn?t been anything pointing to racism so far, that I?ve seen.
I might also add manslaughter is likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin, but his conviction is far from guaranteed given the other facts. The delay in charges is not a conspiracy, but appropriate for a defendant in the unique position of an arresting police officer.
6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).
Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.
There's no way to rationalize this away.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kstp.com/articles/hennepin-county-attorney-mike-freeman-updates-george-floyd-case-following-former-minneapolis-police-officer-chauvin-arrest-5744900.html
Before going off the rails, please take a minute to read some of the facts. According to the charging documents:
1) The body cameras on the officers present were on and functional, so the statement by the governor to the effect of ?Thank God somebody had a cell phone camera or we would never know about this? is complete BS.
2) The autopsy report revealed ?...there were no findings of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. According to the autopsy, Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, which combined with 'any potential intoxicants in his system' likely contributed to his death.?
3) Floyd had other pre-existing conditions which, according to the coroner ?likely contributed to his death.? We also do not know what, if any ?potential intoxicants? were also present in Floyd?s system. See quote in #2.
4) The officers tried at least twice to place Floyd into a patrol car where he could have sat upright unobstructed, but he resisted them (according to the charging documents).
5) At least 1 of the other officers on scene specifically expressed his concern for Floyd?s body position due to ?excited delirium?, which was overruled by the senior officer (Chauvin - 19 year veteran). It is common in police department policies that the senior officer on scene is the commanding officer.
6) Floyd would never have even been contacted by police, had he not been committing a crime (passing counterfeit bills).
7) There is no evidence at all that the treatment of Floyd, while reckless, in violation of training, and I assume department policies, was in any way due to his race.
8) Floyd was far from an upstanding citizen, but had been released from prison in 2014 for armed robbery (pointing a gun at a woman?s stomach while searching for drugs and money https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/amp/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html
Let the facts come out, and the chips fall where they may. There are many problems with the circumstances, but there hasn?t been anything pointing to racism so far, that I?ve seen.
Nope. He?ll be counted as confirmed. The 9News story is based on the guy being classified as a death due to Covid-19 as classified by CDPHE. We would never even know about it if it was in a larger county with more than 2 Covid deaths and a coroner who was not paying attention to the numbers or not willing to speak up about it.
That is the biggest problem with the Covid stats. Other historic data is counted when it is the leading cause of death. Covid deaths are being counted if it is present or suspected to be present at the time of death, regardless of the leading cause. They died with Covid, not necessarily from it. By that standard we should all go shelter in an oxygen starved room, because every single person died with oxygen.
Find me the healthy guy that can survive over 2 minutes of someone's knee on his throat.
Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.
There's no way to rationalize this away.
Agreed.
Even if he had fired on someone, police officer does not equal Judge Dredd. The last 4 minutes of that video show murder 3 and man 2 according to Minnesota law.
I AM THE LAW!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/miVoe7U6Lx4
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 05:18
The City of Minneapolis brought this on itself. Let it burn. They trusted his dumb ass to represent it, they can deal with the consequences.
Remember you said this when it happens to your home or business.
I can't even believe what I'm reading here. There's no excuse for what happened. None. I've already made it clear that's how I feel.
On the other hand, there's no excuse for what these thugs are doing to the city, either. Protesting is fine. March, carry signs, speak from the steps of the capital, blow up social media. But when you turn to anarchy and start destroying property and endangering people you become the problem. When you burn down businesses and police stations and loot and riot you are NOT protesting. You're now no better than the officers who killed this man. I don't care what anyone says this is not about race. This is an opportunity to be exploited by a lawless segment of society.
Way too many people have lost focus of what is right and what is wrong. This started at because of an injustice committed against one man. Continuing to go down the path of bringing injustice upon others who are innocent isn't fixing anything and isn't helping anything or anyone.
BPTactical
05-30-2020, 05:32
The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y?all these white liberals are not our friends. #Democrats #GeorgeFloyd #minneapolis
https://youtu.be/T3PaqxblOx0
Great-Kazoo
05-30-2020, 08:12
I might also add manslaughter is likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin, but his conviction is far from guaranteed given the other facts. The delay in charges is not a conspiracy, but appropriate for a defendant in the unique position of an arresting police officer.
IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.
Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.
had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.
The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.
Rucker61
05-30-2020, 08:35
IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.
Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.
had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.
The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.
Here are the Minnesota statutes. Murder 3 might be a good call.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609
hollohas
05-30-2020, 08:35
At least Covid-19 is cured.
...based on MSM coverage.Just like that...poof.
One noteable aspect on the issue of racism is that Gov is by far and large, unjust and unfair. To a non-minority, it's known by many names: bullshit, corruption, life sucks, etc.
This can lead to an exaggerated belief in endemic racism if one is a minority. When pulled over and an LEO adds extra infractions to a ticket, or they are unjustly fined by a city, or an inspector makes them jump through unnecessary bullshit, or they're double charged on tax or whatever - without the experience that "non minorities are suffering the same way" the answer for many people defaults to "it's because I'm ________". When that's rarely the cause; the underlying cause is corruption is endemic to society and there's a lot of people that are utter shitheads when provided sufficient power at virtually every opportunity. Not to say that racism doesn't exist - especially on lower levels it's well established all around us, including by the minorities and their own candidates "You Uncle Tom!" "If you don't know who you're voting for, you ain't black!" but it's definitely an exaggerated perception of it because an individual cannot sort out the circumstances that apply to everyone (e.g. "life sucks") and circumstances that are actually resultant of racism.
Whether the officer subject was racist or not isn't determinable by the actions. Maybe the officer is racist, or maybe he's just a shithead. I do know that absent evidence of other systematic issues - and I have not researched if they are there - it is equally as wrong to judge the entire city of Minneapolis, or it's officers, based on this one action, as it is to judge all minority residents there based on the criminal actions of two or three of them.
Great-Kazoo
05-30-2020, 09:20
Here are the Minnesota statutes. Murder 3 might be a good call.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609
perhaps but one needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Which has been shown to fail in previous high profile cases. Both Zimmerman and Simpson.
Remember you said this when it happens to your home or business.
I can't even believe what I'm reading here. There's no excuse for what happened. None. I've already made it clear that's how I feel.
On the other hand, there's no excuse for what these thugs are doing to the city, either. Protesting is fine. March, carry signs, speak from the steps of the capital, blow up social media. But when you turn to anarchy and start destroying property and endangering people you become the problem. When you burn down businesses and police stations and loot and riot you are NOT protesting. You're now no better than the officers who killed this man. I don't care what anyone says this is not about race. This is an opportunity to be exploited by a lawless segment of society.
Way too many people have lost focus of what is right and what is wrong. This started at because of an injustice committed against one man. Continuing to go down the path of bringing injustice upon others who are innocent isn't fixing anything and isn't helping anything or anyone.
I thought my position on this society and all levels of government was clear: it?s done. There is no justice, just ?law?, which may or may not be applied equally. The government no longer fears the people, and that?s a problem. Government, Military, and Law Enforcement are beyond corrupt and every level needs an overhaul.
Does that mean every person in those organizations is corrupt and bad? Of course not. The good guys know who they are.
But, that doesn?t mean that something doesn?t need to happen to start real change.
Minneapolis isn?t rioting because of a good cop. They?re rioting because of a line of bad ones in the national consciousness. Because of what they see as a systemic problem.
If the system isn?t the problem, let it prove itself. I won?t hold my breath.
Even if he had his day in court and was convicted of a crime, still wouldn't have been given the death penalty.
There's no way to rationalize this away.
I?m not rationalizing it at all. I absolutely agree Floyd did not deserve the death penalty. I specifically said a charge of manslaughter was likely an appropriate charge for Chauvin.
I was pointing out the case may not be as clear cut as it sounds, and there is no evidence that it was racially motivated. According to the charging documents, Floyd was complaining he couldn?t breathe while still standing.
There?s a reason we don?t have lynch mobs as part of our justice system. Charge Chauvin and perform a thorough investigation before going to trial. Thorough means including any possible defense and any mitigating circumstances.
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2020, 10:33
"The professionally managed so-called ?protesters? at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The
@SecretService
handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???"
IMO they'd better stick with manslaughter and not go for the harsher penalty, like they did with G. Zimmerman.
Manslaughter is easier to find a Guilty verdict for. Than premeditated murder, or other harsher sentence.
had they pushed for a manslaughter charge with zimmerman, he would have been found guilty. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo politics and higher ups wanted to make a statement. They failed and we saw the results.
The same will happen here.
Convict on manslaughter, lock him up and call it good. Push for the harsher penalty and there could be a problem getting a guilty plea, beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with any competent attorney.
Exactly. Manslaughter has a far greater likelihood of conviction, especially when the assumed cause of death is called into question by the coroner.
Find me the healthy guy that can survive over 2 minutes of someone's knee on his throat.
If I was a competent defense attorney in this case, I could find plenty. It all depends on how much weight is being transferred to the neck. It?s hard to tell from a video. The officer could be transferring a great deal of weight/pressure in which case not many would survive. Or he could be transferring nearly no pressure, in which case most people might be uncomfortable, but not in great danger of death. It?s very hard to tell from a video, they can look nearly identical. If the officer had been transferring a great deal of weight to the neck for over 2 minutes, it would seem likely the coroner should have found some signs of asphyxiation or strangulation on the body.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 11:38
Minneapolis isn?t rioting because of a good cop. They?re rioting because of a line of bad ones in the national consciousness. Because of what they see as a systemic problem.
If the system isn?t the problem, let it prove itself. I won?t hold my breath.
Perhaps. Yes, there have been injustices by police officers and there will continue to be. But it's exceedingly rare when taken in context of the number of police encounters that are "routine". This appears to be one of those rare instances. But I think a solid argument could be made that the perception of those who see systemic injustices committed by police is seriously skewed. Most likely by a number of reasons.
The biggest culprit is the media. How often have we seen the police take action resulting in the death of a black person and immediately the calls of racism start? Then the accusations of uncalled for brutality by police begin immediately as well. Then the rioting and looting start. Meanwhile, as facts start to emerge, the false narrative of racism and brutality starts to be disproven by logic and facts through thorough investigation. Does that stop the perception? No. It never does. "Hands up, don't shoot", a flat out lie, becomes a rallying cry. And the narrative that says innocent black men are being killed in great numbers by police continues and it isn't true. I don't have numbers but I'd venture to say the police are accused of misconduct without proof far more often than it actually occurs.
It's gotten so bad that it's now an excuse to believe one's actions don't have consequences and because one's skin is a certain color they're immune from negative actions taken against them by police.
I'll be honest. I'm sick of that victimhood narrative. I've had it shoved down my throat so much that I almost just don't even care any longer because it's mostly bullshit. But it's perpetuated and encouraged by too many useful, leftist idiots in power that know how to exploit it for personal gain and a media that I believe is far more institutionally corrupt than government.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 11:44
I agree this is going to be a problematic prosecution. For a lot of reasons. And that coroner's report won't help the prosecution much.
And that begins an entirely new set of problems because so many people don't understand how the legal system works in terms of developing a case and proving an offense beyond a reasonable doubt. So when murder isn't charged, or it is and there's no conviction, cries of corruption and racism start all over again. And of course it's bullshit, but that's all the uneducated (in how the legal process works) can fall back to.
After the Michael Brown shooting how many people that called for the officer's head apologized when it was proven that Brown pretty much deserved to be shot? Nobody. Never happens. People just fall back to victimhood because it's what they know and you don't have to prove anything to anyone to be a victim of society.
Yep.
I agree this is going to be a problematic prosecution. For a lot of reasons. And that coroner's report won't help the prosecution much.
And that begins an entirely new set of problems because so many people don't understand how the legal system works in terms of developing a case and proving an offense beyond a reasonable doubt. So when murder isn't charged, or it is and there's no conviction, cries of corruption and racism start all over again. And of course it's bullshit, but that's all the uneducated (in how the legal process works) can fall back to.
After the Michael Brown shooting how many people that called for the officer's head apologized when it was proven that Brown pretty much deserved to be shot? Nobody. Never happens. People just fall back to victimhood because it's what they know and you don't have to prove anything to anyone to be a victim of society.
Nothing says "We are protesting police brutality!" like looting a Target and setting an AutoZone on fire :rolleyes:
Nothing says ?agent provocateur? like the guy that smashed the windows at autozone to start the riot.
God, I can’t even read this thread.
This makes me wonder how many right wing conservatives are being played by the media the same way the left is.
https://youtu.be/T3PaqxblOx0
Damn. About the only thing that has changed since 1963 is that there are no more conservative Democrats.
BPTactical
05-30-2020, 14:18
Denver protests are winding up again, Handcock grew a pair- 2000 to 0500 curfew.
Might be interesting.
Apparently Der Fuhrer Polis activated the National Guard, too. Just out of curiosity, since this is not due to the current ?state of emergency? he keeps declaring, did he have to declare a super emergency (or maybe a ?nation of emergency??) to activate the Guard?
[Sarcasm2]
Seriously though, we seem to be in a constant ?state of emergency?. Seems like riots and a temporary curfew in a limited area is actually what the governor?s emergency powers were envisioned for.
SideShow Bob
05-30-2020, 14:53
Meh,
It will have no teeth, just like the curfew in Minneapolis had no enforcement.
We need riot control like back in the 60s & 70s, then these punks would think twice before vandalizing and burning innocent hard working people?s businesses & property.
If they got out of hand, break out the water cannons, bust some heads with billy clubs and loose the hounds. Now that would clear out the crowds.
...did he have to declare a super emergency...
Double secret probation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
O2
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-bay/one-of-two-federal-officers-shot-friday-night-dies-from-injuries/2299729/%3famp
2 federal officers guarding a building during protests in Oakland were shot, 1 of whom died. They didn?t contact anyone, struggle with anyone, make racist remarks, just trying to make their neighborhood safe. I wonder when the national protests will be for them?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-bay/one-of-two-federal-officers-shot-friday-night-dies-from-injuries/2299729/%3famp
2 federal officers guarding a building during protests in Oakland were shot, 1 of whom died. They didn?t contact anyone, struggle with anyone, make racist remarks, just trying to make their neighborhood safe. I wonder when the national protests will be for them?
I thought this was at a federal building, not in a neighborhood.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 16:15
Guess those two officers just had it coming. You know, for doing their job. They brought it on themselves and now they're dealing with the consequences. [/sarcasm]
The government no longer fears the people, and that's a problem.
Great. If things are as fucked up as some seem to think they are and the government has no fear what's gonna happen when the government does start to fear the people? Pretty sure that's not gonna end well for anyone. I'm also pretty sure I don't really want to be around for that.
I seriously can't believe ANYONE thinks this shit is justified by what's happened.
Just. Fucking. Mind-boggling.
Guess those two officers just had it coming. You know, for doing their job. They brought it on themselves and now they're dealing with the consequences. [/sarcasm]
Great. If things are as fucked up as some seem to think they are and the government has no fear what's gonna happen when the government does start to fear the people? Pretty sure that's not gonna end well for anyone. I'm also pretty sure I don't really want to be around for that.
I seriously can't believe ANYONE thinks this shit is justified by what's happened.
Just. Fucking. Mind-boggling.
False equivalencies all around.
Fucking mind boggling that people see no problem with what has happened to our LEO across the county, we are policed by individuals who think themselves as hammers and see every problem as a nail. If conservatives write off the complaints of these “mobs”, then you can expect JFK’s words regarding peaceful revolution to come true, and that’s not a day I’d like to see.
But hey, it’s easier to believe the media, think all of this is looting and believe that this is a race issue as coopted by the BLM.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 16:40
Well you obviously haven't been paying attention to what I've said about this. Big surprise.
Last I heard, police departments around the country are constantly hiring from a dwindling pool of people willing to choose LE as a career. If you think you can do better, please apply. Limit the laws being passed that LE are tasked with enforcing? I?m with you there. If your dream is a world without LE, I couldn?t disagree more. Think you can take care of you and your own in the absence of LE? Good for you, not everyone can. Remember the same mobs ready to lynch a cop every time something doesn?t look like something they approve of, will be there ready to lynch you too.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 17:14
The young guy that lives behind me just got hired by Altus (OK) PD. He's excited. I wanted to slap some sense into him...but that's not fair. No reason to rain on his parade. He'll find out soon enough what it's like. I can't imagine anyone wanting to go into LE these days. Then again I remember how I felt when I got hired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SoDiZdpqFM
People need to stop getting all knotted up. Opinions differ, but perceptions of those opinions are getting overblown.
The cop(s) involved, bad. Seems everyone generally agrees.
Rioting bad. Seems everyone generally agrees, for the most part.
The rest of the debate seems like those annoying married couples that invent reasons to bicker.
GilpinGuy
05-30-2020, 17:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SoDiZdpqFM
People need to stop getting all knotted up. Opinions differ, but perceptions of those opinions are getting overblown.
The cop(s) involved, bad. Seems everyone generally agrees.
Rioting bad. Seems everyone generally agrees, for the most part.
The rest of the debate seems like those annoying married couples that invent reasons to bicker.
Funny, I wrote a similar post but deleted it. This board is, well, a broken record sometimes. I still love it, but jeeeez. Nobody wants any of this shit to happen on either side. Yet some here find ways to argue regardless.
Well you obviously haven't been paying attention to what I've said about this. Big surprise.
Yup, I skipped about 12 pages of comments
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2020, 18:46
Maybe put the press in uniforms too? I don't think the CO Springs & Pueblo protests turned out to be much of a hassle for the police. Rain pouring down in Pueblo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtxcCrtst4c
Last I heard, police departments around the country are constantly hiring from a dwindling pool of people willing to choose LE as a career. If you think you can do better, please apply. Limit the laws being passed that LE are tasked with enforcing? I?m with you there. If your dream is a world without LE, I couldn?t disagree more. Think you can take care of you and your own in the absence of LE? Good for you, not everyone can. Remember the same mobs ready to lynch a cop every time something doesn?t look like something they approve of, will be there ready to lynch you too.
I can’t be a cop no matter what. Four fused vertebrae keep me from a few occupations.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m al for the rule of law, and I’m all for having a good and honorable police force. Unfortunately we have an issue in this country with cops not conducting themselves in an honorable or appropriate manner.
I’d also say that there are some obvious reasons as to why there are less and less people interested in becoming LEO in this country, and I think it’s pretty obvious that with that smaller pool of applicants that we’re getting poorer quality officers.
Enforcing red flag laws
No knock raids in the middle of the night
Pushing people in to cattle cars...
Where do you think we should draw the line, say enough is enough and that a massive change needs to be made?
Yup, I skipped about 12 pages of comments
There's nothing like jumping into the conversation informed, but hey, you've got all the answers already.
Where do you think we should draw the line, say enough is enough and that a massive change needs to be made?
I'd love to hear what your solution for massive change is.
In other news:
Minneapolis mayor says 'white supremacists,' 'out of state instigators' behind protests, but arrests show different story (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests)
A USA Today report quoted a security consultant saying intelligence reports indicate many of the more serious protesters are far-left or anarchists, without a significant appearance yet by far-right groups -- while noting locals and outsiders could be involved in conflicts with authorities.
In a tweet posted Saturday, a person who appears to be Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison can be seen with a copy of "Antifa, the Anti-Fascist Handbook."
hollohas
05-30-2020, 19:28
I went to one of the reopen Colorado rallies a while back. I was called a grandma murder, selfish, and a moron among other things. Thousands of people wished death upon the attendees in comments all over the web. The news media chastised us. The Mayor and Gov had not so nice things to say about us refusing to stay home.
But the mayor and Gov literally thanked these people over the last three days. The mayor said "he hears them, he sees them, he stands with them".
One protests didn't damage a thing. The others have cost an amazing amount of damage.
One protest shook hands and chatted with the police. One protest wishes death to the police.
One protest carried American flags and sang patriotic songs even though the government was busy taking away their rights. The other protest hates America.
One protest was regarding a topic that DIRECTLY affected the people protesting. The other is about a situation that has nothing to do with them.
One protest ended with people cleaning up and heading home in peace. The other ends in riots, each day.
But for some reason, the first protest got nothing but condemnation while the other one gets literal thanks.
These times are fucked up.
I'd love to hear what your solution for massive change is.
Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?
Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?
Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?
Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?
If your conclusion is that there's need for massive change, you obviously have it all worked out. Let's hear how you would like to change it.
If you don't have an answer, your just angry and bitching about the status quo. Kind of like the rioters.
I've never backed what these cops did, but you might have missed that skipping 12 pages of comments.
Wouldn’t all freedom loving Americans like to hear a solution for that massive change?
Are you happy with the current culture in our nations LEO or the direction it’s been heading for decades?
Thank goodness they stepped in with 2,000 pages of ACA to help "fix" the medical system. I can't wait until they "fix" this too?
Fantasy utopias are a fun play exercise, but eventually we have to come back and live here.
My answer would be to go back to the Feds going by the Constitution...and that's it. Get rid of all of the bloat and the Feds in our daily lives. Let the states deal with the issues at their level to support the needs of their people.
...but we all know that won't happen unless things get really ugly. I'm not looking forward to that.
Gman and MrAK, I have a feeling we all agree to some extent the founding fathers set up a pretty damn good baseline. I think we also would agree that many or most of our current problems politically stem from how far we?ve drifted from the founder?s original vision of a limited government. Maybe I?m wrong... I seem to be getting a lot of my people reading wrong these days.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2020, 20:17
I haven't worn a badge for going on 17 years. In all honesty, in the 3 agencies I worked for in the metro area, I never saw any hint of corruption in any officer I worked with. Never. Despite what people think, when a cop does something wrong his fellow cops are almost always his worst enemy. I saw plenty of officers abuse their authority on occasion but never in a physical way. I was even guilty of it. A guy copped an attitude with me one night and instead of getting a verbal warning I wrote him for something like 17 or 18 violations. And guess what? I got awakened late one morning several days later with a pissed off deputy DA on the other end of the phone that chewed my ass for about 10 mins. He dismissed everything because he knew I was being a bigger dick than the guy I stopped. Lesson learned.
You want massive change? Start with a look in the mirror. And that goes for the rest of society, too. Start taking some fucking personal responsibility for your actions and behavior (obviously "you" in a general sense...not directed at any individual).
You can start by not being an asshole when a cop stops you for going 15 mph over the speed limit and asking, "Don't you have anything better to do?". You can start by recognizing there is a very small number of "bad" cops. Very small. Most are very honorable people. Many are young and have a difficult job and it takes a while to grow into it and develop wisdom. You can start by recognizing that sometimes it's a dirty job and most "normal" people are oftentimes appalled at what it takes to get someone into custody. It can be ugly. You can start by recognizing guys like Chauvin represent an almost statistically insignificant number of officers. But they become massively significant in an incident like the unnecessary death of a citizen. But the numbers of bad cops are still very small...and they just got smaller when these 4 asshats were fired. You can start by recognizing that cops all over the country are cussing those SoBs for what they're having to endure right now. You can start by not telling the officer that stopped you to talk with you because you're driving like Stevie Wonder the only reason he stopped you is because you're black...or pick a bullshit reason other than that. Cops are not societies whipping boys. Cops don't have to put up with your bullshit...but most do.
Take some fucking personal responsibility for your actions. Teach your kids to do the same.
I've got news for you. This massive change you want really needs to occur within society more than most police departments. That in no way is meant to say there aren't a few bad cops and maybe even a few bad departments. There are. But, in my opinion, the bigger problem is society in general.
hollohas
05-30-2020, 20:50
Here's a whole bunch of videos from around the country throughout the day. It's much crazier out there then the MSM is showing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-descends-chaos-nationwide-unrest-erupts
Some crazy dude in Utah points a bow and arrow at protesters and quickly gets mobbed. He's lucky if he got out of that alive.
Police in Chicago getting overtaken and dragged by protesters.
NYC in trouble.
https://twitter.com/jameshamblin/status/1266897838153351168?s=20
National Guard trucks with lots of men moving in on DC.
It's nuts out there.
What?
No riot in Seattle and the surrounding cities?
What?
No riot in Seattle and the surrounding cities?
Seattle is in it too. They have fun things like this: PDF: CIVIL EMERGENCY ORDER ESTABLISHING PROHIBITED ITEMS CITY OF SEATTLE (https://durkan.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/05/0898_001.pdf)
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hollohas
05-30-2020, 21:03
What?
No riot in Seattle and the surrounding cities?Yup, there too..
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200531/8b0e3dafdad4a57ebd1c22943d1c8bb7.jpg
Watch this video of a dude in plain clothes snatch it away from the protester at gunpoint and quickly clear the gun.
https://twitter.com/206Lynch/status/1266876577289089026?s=20
WATCH LIVE: National Guard activated to help contain Seattle protests, I-5 remains closed (https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-protest-death-of-george-floyd/281-bba2f836-c4a2-48e1-b5df-189527e08a7d)
Under cover cop?
That's my bet.
hollohas
05-30-2020, 21:10
Under cover cop?Maybe. I noticed his slung rifle didn't have a mag in it. I suspect it didn't because of the risk he could lose control of it in the crowd. Guy obviously knew what he was doing and didn't hesitate to move quickly on the antifa douche.
PS - makes me wonder where is compadres are. Lone wolf badass securing all the left behind rifles...
The individual disarming the "protestor" with the rifle can be heard in this video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1266885259548860419
Dude was large and in charge.
Thanks for the footage and info.
That guy was totally clueless when his firearm was taken away. [LOL]
hollohas
05-30-2020, 21:39
The individual disarming the "protestor" with the rifle can be heard in this video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1266885259548860419
Dude was large and in charge.No kidding. Great job.
Damn! Some balls on that dude. Probably just saved a whole lot of lives by not hesitating.
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2020, 21:43
White House is surrounded by National Guard military police. First time I have ever heard it is that bad there.
9News showed the "barricade" in Denver fall at the first tear gas. Even Kyle Clark mocked the protestors saying the cops blew by like a "knife though butter." Local news is thoroughly disappointed that there's no big action tonight.
White House is surrounded by National Guard military police. First time I have ever heard it is that bad there.
Wait until July/August when things really heat up. 1968 may look mild.
parabellum9
05-30-2020, 22:37
I saw the video and from what i saw it is infuriating..
Police Officers not listening to anyone or applying common sense?
This guy was not a threat...if this is not tyrany what is? To be honest though if they killed me like that, there would be no riots!
So, another tragedy turned a circus..
Ok...looks like National Guard is called in several states...But I have a hypothetical question...If stuff like that gets out of hand, how do we protect our homes, our daughters and our families? Wasnt the Socond Ammendment to ensure the functioning of a free state? Are we here going to be a bunch of AR clutching neurotics glued to social media? How do we organize guys? Who am I supposed to turn to if the stuff hits the fan and I have to hide my family from violent mobs and gangs??
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2020, 22:50
All this protesting is probably funded by the drug cartels. A diversion enables the trafficking as I heard the COVID-19 was really bad for the narcotics trade. Hard to enforce the drug laws when this kind of rioting is going on. Even a US Customs drone was pulled from the border to monitor Minneapolis. There is always a hidden agenda behind every event, the MSM just spews the corporate/gov view. The protesters won't stop until they get massacred, probably in an act of terrorism by an agent provocateur.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/29/21274828/drone-minneapolis-protests-predator-surveillance-police
I saw the video and from what i saw it is infuriating..
Police Officers not listening to anyone or applying common sense?
This guy was not a threat...if this is not tyrany what is? To be honest though if they killed me like that, there would be no riots!
So, another tragedy turned a circus..
Ok...looks like National Guard is called in several states...But I have a hypothetical question...If stuff like that gets out of hand, how do we protect our homes, our daughters and our families? Wasnt the Socond Ammendment to ensure the functioning of a free state? Are we here going to be a bunch of AR clutching neurotics glued to social media? How do we organize guys? Who am I supposed to turn to if the stuff hits the fan and I have to hide my family from violent mobs and gangs??
Do you know your neighbors? Do you know if they have guns and know how to use them? Any military vets living close by?
If it comes down to your neighborhood/street, you'll need to stand with your neighbors and coordinate to push back. I know who I will be talking to if it comes to that. I'm not going to be knocking on doors and trying to coordinate right now. I don't need the Sheriff coming by to ask me a lot of questions before there's an issue.
Looks like there are still good people out there...
81706817078170881709
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2020, 08:00
I saw the video and from what i saw it is infuriating..
Police Officers not listening to anyone or applying common sense?
This guy was not a threat...if this is not tyrany what is? To be honest though if they killed me like that, there would be no riots!
So, another tragedy turned a circus..
Ok...looks like National Guard is called in several states...But I have a hypothetical question...If stuff like that gets out of hand, how do we protect our homes, our daughters and our families? Wasnt the Socond Ammendment to ensure the functioning of a free state? Are we here going to be a bunch of AR clutching neurotics glued to social media? How do we organize guys? Who am I supposed to turn to if the stuff hits the fan and I have to hide my family from violent mobs and gangs??
Gman answered your question.
Here's food for thought.
https://i.imgur.com/GxwafTzm.jpg
Aloha_Shooter
05-31-2020, 08:12
All this protesting is probably funded by the drug cartels. A diversion enables the trafficking as I heard the COVID-19 was really bad for the narcotics trade. Hard to enforce the drug laws when this kind of rioting is going on. Even a US Customs drone was pulled from the border to monitor Minneapolis. There is always a hidden agenda behind every event, the MSM just spews the corporate/gov view. The protesters won't stop until they get massacred, probably in an act of terrorism by an agent provocateur.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/29/21274828/drone-minneapolis-protests-predator-surveillance-police
LOL, if it's on Vox, it's probably a distraction and lie. I think it's far more likely these protests are being fostered by the same people who fostered Antifa and the Occupy movement -- and for the same reasons. Is it any coincidence that these protests are coordinated so quickly right in the middle of a political season? Antifa and Occupy were definitely movements sponsored to energize a segment of the usually-apathetic population and this one smells the same. The same segment that keeps saying, "never let a crisis go to waste."
Great action by the guy that moved in on the miscreant trying to "liberate" the AR. I'm sure that action saved some lives.
In nature, predators usually only target sick, elderly, separated and weak animals even though they are capable of taking on healthy adults. That's because a simple injury can terminate their life. People are no different.
Looters are no different. Some gun owners might imagine this post-dystopian world with roving gangs of people lead by guys named "Negan" going door to door to take the wimmen's and the food, but it's nothing more than a fantasy, for the same reason that some liberals imagine a post-gun world where all guns have been confiscated door-to-door. Unlike older forms of pillaging, firearms are a great equalizer and there's only a select number of houses a looter or even a mob of looters could sack before they ate lead, and they are quite aware of that.
So, they go after unguarded stores, things that are 100% safe from eating lead. If a bunch of koreans are on the roof with guns, they give that a berth. Life isn't a Netflix series, even the "bad guys" aren't too keen on risking their neck. If you're genuinely worried, just take down any signs that say "this house is completely unoccupied and unprotected and you won't risk your life by breaking in!". You know, like a bunch of faded "Hillary 2016" signs left in the yard. Don't have that? You good.
parabellum9
05-31-2020, 09:26
Do you know your neighbors? Do you know if they have guns and know how to use them? Any military vets living close by?
If it comes down to your neighborhood/street, you'll need to stand with your neighbors and coordinate to push back. I know who I will be talking to if it comes to that. I'm not going to be knocking on doors and trying to coordinate right now. I don't need the Sheriff coming by to ask me a lot of questions before there's an issue.
Thank you...Good point...just moved to Parker... No mil vets that I am aware, but i will start asking the right questions...Not afraid fot me..just concerned about my family...I have two pre-teen kids, a wife with a medical condition and a senior in my house...we are sitting ducks!!!
.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/officers-hit-vehicle-denver/73-1c6517b0-9868-49ca-a94d-77a5b00b980f
A chevy drove into a bunch of DPD officers, no video. At any rate, it's a black compact car missing a mirror and a bumper. BOLO. Probably hiding in a garage, though.
Kinda weak response from the rioters.
To put it simply, as far as my opinion on the matter:
The public was tired of, and starting to see through the covid narrative being pushed by MSM and D.
Previous admin and current pols involvement in unsavory/illegal action being exposed.
The creepy old Joe scandal may have been gaining traction.
Society beginning to open back up and return to the real normal.
And, oh yeah, orange man bad.
Anyone really believe the worldwide coverage of this particular despicable and heinous action, and the ensuing chaos is not "engineered"?
Anyone recall hearing much about any of the other above issues on the news or socials or around the water cooler the last few days?
Sent from somewhere...
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2020, 10:40
Here's a C&P from my local AzCDL page. AZCDL is like a RMGO. ONLY without the non-stop emails and THE SKY'S FALLING rhetoric. The only time i get emails is when a bill is made public. OR they raffle off a gun.
I would like to let everyone know that after last nights protest riot/ shooting here in AZ that I am safe. I was caught in this riot when I was working my night shift at the restaurant here in Scottsdale AZ when the rioters started spreading out from Phoenix to downtown Scottsdale.
I was outside during my smoke break when all the sudden the tear gas canisters were fired from the police and several police choppers with their lights on. I went back inside the restaurant to let my co workers and executive chef and restaurant owner.
We had to quickly evacuate the restaurant as the crowds were soon spilling towards our restaurant. I was then given the ok to bring my gun and have it on me. Thankfully the owner and pretty much everyone at work is pro gun and 4 other co workers of mine were also armed with handguns and rifles and I was
2 of the workers who carries around body armor protection nearby.
I was asked if I would escort the female workers to their cars as they knew I’m always armed. As the restaurant was closing up rapidly I stood outside to guard the place which I voluntarily did. Last night was one of the most tense times in my life where I had to prepare for unexpected violence.
In the past I’ve faced many dangerous situations from being held hostage at knifepoint as a kid during a violent home invasion to other encounters where I had to draw my firearm and tonight was the first time I had to deal with a large crowd of violent people.
I am grateful to have survived last nights chaotic ordeal as well as all the training I’ve received to handle worse case scenarios such as this.
Last night was also the first time I ever utilized my backpack body armor vest and the other tactical gear I always have on me.
Thankful to God that last night I did not have to fire any shots in defense and I could go home safely.
Would like to thank the members of both Phoenix and Scottsdale police department as they were stationed just outside the restaurant parking lot. I firmly believe in our constitutional rights of freedom of speech and the right to assemble and protest but please do so peacefully without violence. Once violence and looting become involved your cause and voice loses credibility.
Zundfolge
05-31-2020, 10:48
Anyone really believe the worldwide coverage of this particular despicable and heinous action, and the ensuing chaos is not "engineered"?
While I'm sure that the actual events that lead up to the death of Mr Lloyd were unscripted and unplanned, the response by the media and the Antifa/Soros crowd is indeed 100% engineered. It doesn't take a tin foil hat to see that when you see pallets of bricks delivered in the dark of the night to areas where there would be protests ... when you see white guys in masks with earpieces smash the first windows, etc.
This is all part of the left's inability to accept the results of the 2016 election (although its been brewing for a lot longer).
While I'm sure that the actual events that lead up to the death of Mr Lloyd were unscripted and unplanned, the response by the media and the Antifa/Soros crowd is indeed 100% engineered. It doesn't take a tin foil hat to see that when you see pallets of bricks delivered in the dark of the night to areas where there would be protests ... when you see white guys in masks with earpieces smash the first windows, etc.
This is all part of the left's inability to accept the results of the 2016 election (although its been brewing for a lot longer).
Agreed. I sincerely hope no one reads my post and assumes that I feel the root incident was engineered. It is the overblown reaction to said incident.
Sent from somewhere...
BPTactical
05-31-2020, 11:14
Today Antifa was officially designated by the WH as a "Terrorist Organization".
Wonder if that will change the protocols on the "protestors"?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Joshuajered/status/1266988508901568512
Video of DPD officers getting hit by the speeding Chevy. Lucky nobody was killed.
Today Antifa was officially designated by the WH as a "Terrorist Organization".
Wonder if that will change the protocols on the "protestors"?
It damn well better, or this insanity will continue.
ChickNorris
05-31-2020, 11:44
Today Antifa was officially designated by the WH as a "Terrorist Organization".
Wonder if that will change the protocols on the "protestors"?
https://deadline.com/2020/05/president-trump-antifa-declared-terrorist-organization-1202947652/
The protest is the excuse. Maybe we should put that in the title for the thread? [Coffee]
Unfortunately corruption in government including law enforcement is not a new proposition. We need to find a way to make sure that law enforcement leads by example when it comes to following the law. When it becomes protective of the misdeeds of the organization, it ceases to be a good arbiter of proper legal conduct and societal structure.
Bailey Guns
05-31-2020, 12:09
While I think anything that works against Antifa is a good thing I'm not sure exactly what this will mean in a practical sense. I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
Unintended side effect from designating ANTIFA a terrorist organization: Does that make ANTIFA looting/riots a product of "terrorism?" - Could that give insurance companies a cop-out from paying claims?
Bailey Guns
05-31-2020, 12:24
Pretty good article:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/05/who_is_recruiting_moving_and_paying_the_profession al_anarchorioters.html
Aloha_Shooter
05-31-2020, 13:22
While I think anything that works against Antifa is a good thing I'm not sure exactly what this will mean in a practical sense. I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
I think the designation gives them greater power and ability to investigate those who fund and enable Antifa activities. The useful idiots who actually carry out these activities are tools (in both senses of the word); exposing the political elites who have been using Antifa as part of their broad political strategies will be very interesting.
funkymonkey1111
05-31-2020, 13:38
Dear Penthouse Letters.....
Here's a C&P from my local AzCDL page. AZCDL is like a RMGO. ONLY without the non-stop emails and THE SKY'S FALLING rhetoric. The only time i get emails is when a bill is made public. OR they raffle off a gun.
I would like to let everyone know that after last nights protest riot/ shooting here in AZ that I am safe. I was caught in this riot when I was working my night shift at the restaurant here in Scottsdale AZ when the rioters started spreading out from Phoenix to downtown Scottsdale.
I was outside during my smoke break when all the sudden the tear gas canisters were fired from the police and several police choppers with their lights on. I went back inside the restaurant to let my co workers and executive chef and restaurant owner.
We had to quickly evacuate the restaurant as the crowds were soon spilling towards our restaurant. I was then given the ok to bring my gun and have it on me. Thankfully the owner and pretty much everyone at work is pro gun and 4 other co workers of mine were also armed with handguns and rifles and I was
2 of the workers who carries around body armor protection nearby.
I was asked if I would escort the female workers to their cars as they knew I?m always armed. As the restaurant was closing up rapidly I stood outside to guard the place which I voluntarily did. Last night was one of the most tense times in my life where I had to prepare for unexpected violence.
In the past I?ve faced many dangerous situations from being held hostage at knifepoint as a kid during a violent home invasion to other encounters where I had to draw my firearm and tonight was the first time I had to deal with a large crowd of violent people.
I am grateful to have survived last nights chaotic ordeal as well as all the training I?ve received to handle worse case scenarios such as this.
Last night was also the first time I ever utilized my backpack body armor vest and the other tactical gear I always have on me.
Thankful to God that last night I did not have to fire any shots in defense and I could go home safely.
Would like to thank the members of both Phoenix and Scottsdale police department as they were stationed just outside the restaurant parking lot. I firmly believe in our constitutional rights of freedom of speech and the right to assemble and protest but please do so peacefully without violence. Once violence and looting become involved your cause and voice loses credibility.
Dear Penthouse Letters.....
This one time at band camp...
Zundfolge
05-31-2020, 14:50
I sincerely hope no one reads my post and assumes that I feel the root incident was engineered.
I didn't read your post that way. I only included that first sentence to make sure MY post wasn't read that way too :p
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2020, 15:10
Denver Police Officers are searching for a black or dark colored Chevrolet Cobalt or Cruze, Wyoming license plates 59722. This vehicle struck a Denver Police vehicle and severely injured 3 police officers.
Bailey Guns
05-31-2020, 15:31
I thought they later said the WY license plate was not valid information?
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2020, 15:43
I just copy & paste what DPD had posted on socialistic mediums. Every timez I posts I get a contradictorial message.
Forum credibility is doomed.
JohnnyDrama
05-31-2020, 16:13
I just copy & paste what DPD had posted on socialistic mediums. Every timez I posts I get a contradictorial message.
Forum credibility is doomed.
I know for many people "socialistic mediums"are their primary source of news. As you pointed out, there are contradicting stories everywhere. Forum credibility is doomed. Pretty soon we will be no better off than we were a thousand years ago and traveling bards and merchants carried the news.
Possibly even worse, thanks to deepfaking video/audio. Everyone will disbelieve whatever they disagree with, but they'll immediately believe whatever they agree with, and even skilled people will eventually lose the ability to discern the difference.
At least people knew bards exaggerated their tales.
Possibly even worse, thanks to deepfaking video/audio. Everyone will disbelieve whatever they disagree with, but they'll immediately believe whatever they agree with, and even skilled people will eventually lose the ability to discern the difference.
At least people knew bards exaggerated their tales.
You leave my confirmation bias out of this!
[Sarcasm2]
SideShow Bob
05-31-2020, 17:52
Denver Police Officers are searching for a black or dark colored Chevrolet Cobalt or Cruze, Wyoming license plates 59722. This vehicle struck a Denver Police vehicle and severely injured 3 police officers.
Completely false, if a Chevy Cobalt or Cruze struck a police vehicle hard enough to severely injure 3 officers, it would have to be towed away on a flatbed tow truck. It would be completely demolished...... Ask someone who owns one, their quality would not survive a collision with a urban cottontail rabbit.
Martinjmpr
05-31-2020, 17:59
Of course the Wyoming plate starts with a 5.
Albany County (i.e. Laramie.) :rolleyes:
Completely false, if a Chevy Cobalt or Cruze struck a police vehicle hard enough to severely injure 3 officers, it would have to be towed away on a flatbed tow truck. It would be completely demolished...... Ask someone who owns one, their quality would not survive a collision with a urban cottontail rabbit.
I haven't seen any report that the 3 officers were in the vehicle. I got the impression they were standing around but who knows. It was hauling ass around the corner on the one linked video (maybe... 35-40 mph?) even a 15mph pedestrian hit can mess someone up badly, and it would be unusual for a car to be DRT. I get your sarcasm, but it's much like saying reports that someone was killed by a pellet gun are false because, come on, it's a pellet gun.
Dafuq?
Protests over death of George Floyd, police killings spread to London, Berlin, Toronto (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/protests-over-death-of-george-floyd-police-killings-spread-to-london-berlin-toronto/ar-BB14QrOx)
LONDON ?Street protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis went global over the weekend, as demonstrators in London, Berlin and Toronto gathered under banners declaring that Black Lives Matter and called for an end to police brutality in the United States and around the world.
In London, hundreds defied rules against large gatherings Sunday to rally at Trafalgar Square and mass outside the new U.S. Embassy on the south bank of the River Thames, where they chanted ?no justice, no peace? in solidarity with U.S. movement against racial bias in the criminal justice system.
Demonstrators there and in Berlin waved signs reading ?I can't breathe? ? some of the last words that the dying Floyd, captured by an onlooker?s video, gasped out in Minneapolis as a police officer pressed his knee down on Floyd?s neck for more than eight minutes.
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2020, 18:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNwOpHI2CI
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2020, 18:54
Chevy culprit jus got toad away...
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/three-denver-police-officers-civilian-severely-injured-after-being-struck-by-vehicle
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2020, 20:27
It is truly HORRIBLE when vigil light candles accidentally set buildings on fire and COMPEL law abiding citizens to break into stores, in search of fire extinguishers as part of their civic responsibilities.
Anyone see the announcement from the Colorado Law Enforcement facebook page tonight?
Antifa sez they are moving out of the cities tonight and heading to the suburbs....grrrr
Antifa sez they are moving out of the cities tonight and heading to the suburbs....grrrr
Whats the law on shooting terrorists?
Whats the law on shooting terrorists?
One in the "A" zone or two anywhere on target.
Anyone see the announcement from the Colorado Law Enforcement facebook page tonight?
Antifa sez they are moving out of the cities tonight and heading to the suburbs....grrrr
Colorado Springs?
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/178872-Riot-concerns-in-Colo-Spgs
[LOL]
Dafuq?
Protests over death of George Floyd, police killings spread to London, Berlin, Toronto (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/protests-over-death-of-george-floyd-police-killings-spread-to-london-berlin-toronto/ar-BB14QrOx)
Any excuse to riot.
National historic church in DC set on fire. St. John's Church...a historic landmark has been set on fire. Lincoln worshiped there just before his assassination.
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2020, 01:14
state of AZ curfew 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. those out will be stopped. But like the stay at home "suggestions" there's numerous loopholes. IMO the guv did this to avoid the RACIST label when going after those doing the rioting. Which in truth seems to be more white folk. then POC's .
lock them up and have their day in arraignment court .
Anyone see the announcement from the Colorado Law Enforcement facebook page tonight?
Antifa sez they are moving out of the cities tonight and heading to the suburbs....grrrr
I think that would not only be a bad idea for them, but a very short lived one at that.
Martinjmpr
06-01-2020, 09:00
I think that would not only be a bad idea for them, but a very short lived one at that.
Unless they all mutually agree on which suburb to go to and commute there, that would only dilute their numbers into small groups that would easily and quickly be rounded up or driven off by LE.
I heard a bunch of sirens yesterday afternoon, and my wife heard word about "protestors" at Clement Park (I live just South of Columbine high so Clement Park is on the NW edge of our development). When I went out to get gas at 8:00 I saw nothing out of the ordinary, no excess police presence and a few people standing around but nothing that looked "protest-y." Just people out on a nice warm Spring day.
I haven't heard the details but my guess is that a couple dozen local wannabe "activists" currently residing with mom and dad decided to make a show and were likely driven off by Jeffco deputies with no drama.
Someone let me in on the joke of why Antifa would have a hard time moving into the suburbs. The only thing I can think of is less dense business locations and witnesses to see the shenanigans. I mean, I guess they could loot up a strip mall and scare everyone out of a Chili's.
Antifa's already in the 'burbs. It's just a matter of them agreeing on what to do and when-and unless they have their doxxing information at the ready, selecting targets may be difficult for them.
Martinjmpr
06-01-2020, 09:26
Someone let me in on the joke of why Antifa would have a hard time moving into the suburbs. The only thing I can think of is less dense business locations and witnesses to see the shenanigans. I mean, I guess they could loot up a strip mall and scare everyone out of a Chili's.
Rioters/looters rely on overwhelming police response with numbers. They can concentrate in a downtown area because they all are down there. There's only one downtown, there's only one state capitol so that's where they gather.
Going to the suburbs would require planning and coordinating which would likely tip off the police who could easily drive off the handful of protestors who would likely show up.
Also, these 'activists' are playing for the cameras. No cameras = no kewl videos of masked anarchists venting their faux "rage against the machine" :rolleyes: Makes it much less attractive to the rank-and-file anti-fa types who are all about getting their face on YouTube.
Looks like the rioting is not polling well internally. This mornings CBS news was all we love the police some bad apples, we out for respect not rioting, we don?t know these fools.
My guesstimate is this is all over by Wednesday.
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Anyone see the announcement from the Colorado Law Enforcement facebook page tonight?
A Facebook search for "Colorado Law Enforcement" does not yield anything by that name.
Links people, LINKS if you're gonna talk about something that's online, please!
O2
On edit, waaaaaay down the page I found it:
https://www.facebook.com/COLawEnforcement
Boy, cutting and pasting that link was easy!
So all these big crowds, how soon does covid case numbers sky rocket? I mean after all, we've been told over and over, that's what would happen if crowds of more then 10 were to be allowed. [panic]
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