SENATE'S GUN CONTROL READING * LIVE

[blacklabel]

3 stickers for me please...

PD: also 1 Tshirt!!!

Wrong thread?

[osok-308]

I unfortunately am at a place that i cannot listen to these bills being presented. Have any others been voted on?

[bryjcom]

somebody please update....

What did I miss? What bills have passed? How screwed are we?

[Shootersfab]

Oh, yeah, "She likes to use two hands when she takes aim"

That was great!

[roberth]

The "logical end". I'd like to see a (D) refute that.

[TFOGGER]

somebody please update....

What did I miss? What bills have passed? How screwed are we?
UBC passed, domestic violence passed... mag ban being debated now.

[XC700116]

somebody please update....

What did I miss? What bills have passed? How screwed are we?

3 down 2 to go

HB1229 Passed
SB195 Passed
SB197 Passed

Going on HB1224 now
HB1228 foregone conclusion since HB1229 passed and Dems never met a tax they didn't like.

[brobar]

So I was on a conference call when the chamber was being reprimanded for something. Why was there an outbreak? What was said that caused the commotion?

[mrghost]

I am bummed that HB1229 passed.. it's just as bad as 1224 if not worse.

[StagLefty]

So I was on a conference call when the chamber was being reprimanded for something. Why was there an outbreak? What was said that caused the commotion?
Brophy said he wouldn't obey the mag ban

[Jutt]

Sen. Grantham is killing it! Best pro 2A argument against 1224 yet IMO.

[Rucker61]

HB1228 foregone conclusion since HB1229 passed and Dems never met a tax they didn't like.

Fee! Fee! ;)

[DHCO]

The reason the democrats aren't speaking is because everytime they speak in favor of these bills they end up telling people to be victims, that criminals are honorable and they ultimately have no answers to the pointed questions about enforcement or efficacy. They've exhausted the "think of the children" line of responses and standing up there and not being able to respond to any questions will make them look like the idiots they are. If your logic is so threadbare that under superficial examination it falls apart, why would you stand in front of your peers and make a fool of yourself?

[brutal]

anyone have another feed link that I can catch up? I can't find it if it exists on DP. I was away and want to see Brophy's dialog.

[thebriarman]

Here you go...
http://videocenter.denverpost.com/services/player/bcpid63625388001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAADe65VU~,G496cZ36A _VfLp_hMeonEvZJ8gBAVEOa&bclid=1419798684&bctid=2212245343001

[Epyon]

anyone have another feed link that I can catch up? I can't find it if it exists on DP. I was away and want to see Brophy's dialog.

Here you go: http://www.coloradochannel.net/colorado-senate-2013-legislative-day-62-part-2

[almostfree]

What is this amendment that King is talking about?

[TFOGGER]

anyone have another feed link that I can catch up? I can't find it if it exists on DP. I was away and want to see Brophy's dialog.

dunno if you can rewind it...

http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenMediaFoundation?v=CM5tRmhO_h4

[aryntha]

I need a xanax.
Nevermind, that may disqualify me from being able to buy guns in the future.

I need a drink.

[mtnhack]

<p>
An amendment to send the bill to a committee. I would rather it just be killed, but if we do not have the votes....</p>

[StagLefty]

interesting twist

[DavieD55]

This could go on for awhile. 2 Repubs and 1 Dem waiting and Holbert and Harvey have yet to be heard. Anybody think those 2 will go unheard before this final vote?


Rep. Holbert won't be on the Senate floor.

[XC700116]

<p>
An amendment to send the bill to a committee. I would rather it just be killed, but if we do not have the votes....</p>

Banking on Logic and recall elections maybe???

[colo-pr]

Wrong thread?

Is not wrong, I'm talking about the stickers and tshirts with the quote "I will not obey this law" :-)

[brobar]

I find the amendment odd. Are they saying it is ok to pass the bill... AS LONG AS we do more studying? I don't get the motive here.

[The Rat]

Are there any repub-controlled committees currently in the legislature?

[colo-pr]

I need a xanax.
Nevermind, that may disqualify me from being able to buy guns in the future.

I need a drink.

Xanax for 2 please.

Be careful because if the police catch you drink maybe cannot being able to buy guns in the future lol

[mrghost]

So a judge in NY is striking down Bloomberg's soda size limit ban:

"The loopholes in this rule effectively defeat the stated purpose of this rule," he wrote, complaining of "uneven enforcement even within a particular City block, much less the City as a whole."

That quote is completely applicable to what the Dems are trying to pass today. Is there hope a judge here can do the same to whatever passes today?

[jslo]

One of the dems are making the rounds now talking to each lib. Guessing she's tackinh a tally to see if they have the votes

[aryntha]

I find the amendment odd. Are they saying it is ok to pass the bill... AS LONG AS we do more studying? I don't get the motive here.

A chance is a chance is a chance. Let the public support built up.

[newracer]

I find the amendment odd. Are they saying it is ok to pass the bill... AS LONG AS we do more studying? I don't get the motive here.

Another way to slow the bill down and get more debate and information in both the house and senate.

[XC700116]

I get the idea to make documentation that there's nothing it can possibly do to combat their percieved problem, but IMO, Vote on it, if it passes it will light a fire and decimate the Dem's control of the House and Senate. If not, then we don't have to worry about it for the moment.

[roberth]

Are there any repub-controlled committees currently in the legislature?

No. The (D) has the majority so they control ALL the committees.

[jslo]

Rep. Holbert won't be on the Senate floor.

Actually your correct, won't speak but he did walk in about 30 minutes ago

[UnoTaco]

Heh, a caravan of Senators willing to break the law...

[tmleadr03]

Another way to slow the bill down and get more debate and information in both the house and senate.

They want to stall, but also they know that with the grandfathering of the mags it would be ineffective. But if they don't grandfather the mags it wouldn't pass.

[almostfree]

This is either really good or really bad. Either it is a last ditch delay tactic because 1224 is set to pass, or is a way to avoid a vote for the democrat fence sitters.

[roberth]

They could introduce an amendment to nullify the grandfathering. ;)

[DavieD55]

I have a feeling it will be the same vote as 1229.

[DavieD55]

Heh, a caravan of Senators willing to break the law...

LOL

[tmleadr03]

They could introduce an amendment to nullify the grandfathering. ;)

Scorched earth method.

[SuperiorDG]

They will not allow this amendment to pass.

[mtnhack]

CCJJ has professionals as well as law makers.

[aryntha]

They will not allow this amendment to pass.

Reading from work here, can't stream -- you don't believe they will? Or they just voted it down...

[brutal]

Here you go...
http://videocenter.denverpost.com/services/player/bcpid63625388001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAADe65VU~,G496cZ36A _VfLp_hMeonEvZJ8gBAVEOa&bclid=1419798684&bctid=2212245343001

That was Fridays

I'm looking for Todays from like 30 minutes ago. I wanted to see Brophy say he will not comply.

[mtnhack]

Fucking assholes. 17-18 No on the amendment.

[sniper7]

It will be just like the other bills. I am helpless watching this thread on my phone. Very sad day consider my freedoms at home are dying yet i am in and out of states with amazing freedoms today.

[SuperiorDG]

Reading from work here, can't stream -- you don't believe they will? Or they just voted it down...

Both

[jslo]

Tochtrop and Jahn "our" side on that vote

[Jmetz]

That tells you what the final vote will be..

[aryntha]

damn. 17-18. insight on the final vote. Had some hope.

[brutal]

Here you go: http://www.coloradochannel.net/colorado-senate-2013-legislative-day-62-part-2

That's the live feed. I'm watching the live feed.

[sniper7]

Tochtrop and Jahn "our" side on that vote

My guess is those two will also be the only two to vote no on the entire bill.

[newracer]

That tells you what the final vote will be..

Yep

[dwalker460]

Today, Colorado made me a criminal.

[aryntha]

My guess is those two will also be the only two to vote no on the entire bill.


Don't see how it wouldn't be. Tabling it for 'more study' would be an "out" for a fence-sitting dem to 'vote no without voting no'.

[brutal]

dunno if you can rewind it...

http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenMediaFoundation?v=CM5tRmhO_h4

Nope.

The feeds in that DP guys blog can usually be rewound, cannot find them today.

[roberth]

Scorched earth method.

Exactly. Grandfathering renders 1224 toothless. Does anyone truly believe that if local LEO sees anyone using a magazine fed weapon local LEO will stop the activity on the line and check every single person?

[mtnhack]

They think they have carte blanche and do not have to worry about what we think. The vote will probably not change. But I will still listen because I have hope.

[brobar]

That tells you what the final vote will be..

Unfortunately... I think you are right.

I know one thing... I'm gonna be drinking tonight until this all goes away. Oh it will still be there tomorrow... but at least I'll have tonight!

[buckshotbarlow]

sweet, another senator taking a stand against this crap

[dwalker460]

V Marble is awesome.

[roberth]

I will NOT abide Join the club. :)

An abomination to our freedoms. I love it.

[Sharpienads]

Good for her.

[car-15]

love it!!

[johngraves2]

so glad viki marble is my senator!!!

[Rabid]

Go Marble.

[buckshotbarlow]

now a turd supporting it and how great it is to stop gun violence...

[flan7211]

Make it sing gents. I WILL NOT OBEY THIS LAW!

[Jutt]

<p>
Here we go, the conversation argument by a lib.</p>

[dwalker460]

I am going to do everything I can to ensure that no Dem that votes for this bill continues forward in thier political career.

[cjmore]

so glad viki marble is my senator!!!

passion and an open comment that she will not obey

[roberth]

now a turd supporting it and how great it is to stop gun violence...

I don't need to listen to this guy.

[car-15]

you are a horses ass turdberry

[Sharpienads]

Fuck this guy.

[Rabid]

I think he is going to cry....

[dwalker460]

Molon Labe motherfuckers..

[DavieD55]

This one is a chump.

[Sharpienads]

That's right, we're all racist against Mexicans. Although I don't condone the threats against him, wtf do you think is going to happen when you try to strip people of their rights? This guy needs to stfu.

[th3w01f]

I think he is going to cry....

I thought he already was.

[brutal]

I gotta go get my trust notarized, fuck these lib assholes.

[Jutt]

I was wondering when the race card was going to be played...

[battle_sight_zero]

Mr. MetroSexual crying. First we have heard about his threatening emails and communications. Let's see the proof of what he is saying. So full of shit. If he is your rep please recall this man from office.

[mtnhack]

It's a starting place.... for us to take your fucking guns!

[dwalker460]

The only hand thats going to be extended for this guy is the one out the door when he is beaten in the next election. We will not forget. We will not abide. We will watch you commit political suicide.

[mindfold]

Well there goes my blood pressure... why do I bother listening??????

[newracer]

More emotional crap

[buckshotbarlow]

ok mofo, u get to tell my girls if they get raped why you supported this measure, and God help me if they ever do, because i'll find a way to make you confront them first, and then me.

[cjmore]

Who is this gentlemen speaking right now?

[Epyon]

What the fuck? This guy can't play the hate crime/racism card. I'm not white, and I own guns as protection from racists! So fuck him in the ass! There has been no "talk" about gun violence. Only a package of bills with real discussion.

[car-15]

common ground is outlawing them all first and debating later?

[EvilRhino]

Who is this gentlemen speaking right now?

Jessie ulibarri


Born and raised in Commerce city. the only local area I could find with a higher violent crime rate than Denver. [blah-blah]

[brutal]

One last thing, this current fucktard has said nothing that supports a mag limit. Fucking whiner. How do these retards get elected?

[DavieD55]

This mother ------ expects people to be civil with him while at the same time taking their rights away.

[UnoTaco]

This guy doesn't know what he's saying. He says let's pass this and then discuss? No... that's not how it works. Discuss THEN introduce legislation. Idiot

[buckshotbarlow]

senator from adams county

[roberth]

This clown is true to his party - A complete:

http://www.frombearcreek.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Braying-Jackass.jpg

[battle_sight_zero]

All your doing Democrats is setting the start for revolution.

[DavieD55]

Go Harvey.

[cjmore]

Jessi uliberri
thank you he's on the naughty list for missing the point

[Madeinhb]

The dumb asses using email and social media making threats don't help the cause. When will they learn.

[def90]

thank you he's on the naughty list for missing the point

He's the guy that Dudley said he was going to fund who ever ran against him in the next election during the last committee hearings after Ulibari thought he would be smart and ask Dudley if he had financed anyone sitting on the committee.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

There is no "cause", this was bought & payed for months ago.

[jgang]

common ground is outlawing them all first and debating later?

Gotta pass it before they know what's in it or what the real effect will be in true lib fashion...

[colo-pr]

Fucking Democrats Fucking Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats Fucking Democrats

PD: Fucking Democrats

[mtnhack]

<p>
Nevermind, I am so pissed I cannot count-</p>

[SuperiorDG]

He's the guy that Dudley said he was going to fund who ever ran against him in the next election during the last committee hearings after Ulibari thought he would be smart and ask Dudley if he had financed anyone sitting on the committee.

Nice

[MED]

Quick question, why was the last vote 18-17? Who didn't vote? Or did they just stop at 18?

35 Senators (65 representatives)

[Justin]

Funny to hear Ulibarri complaining. He spent most of the time during the testimonies messing around on his laptop.

[MED]

Funny to hear Ulibarri complaining. He spent most of the time during the testimonies messing around on his laptop.

These people have no clue at what can of worms they are opening!

[Justin]

At this point, the only thing they've got going for them is the fact that Bloomberg has promised to throw money at them come election season.

[aryntha]

These people have no clue at what can of worms they are opening!

The one that gets them voted out of office but we're still stuck not being able to buy certain guns in CO?

Heh, i just have very little hope for this ever being repealed if (when) this passes.
Repeals of stuff like this is near impossible; and I don't think a mag limit has ever been overturned.

This is why today was our chance.... unless we can somehow do a mind swap with Hickenlooper. which isn't going to happen.

[Justin]

The best argument in favor of a repeal is the fact that this is the second magazine ban to be passed post-Heller.

[aryntha]

The best argument in favor of a repeal is the fact that this is the second magazine ban to be passed post-Heller.

I hope you're right. I want to see a mag ban put in front the SCOTUS soon...

[Rabid]

I hope you're right. I want to see a mag ban put in front the SCOTUS soon...
Obama put 2 anti-gun justices in there. Do not know what the out come would be.

[buckshotbarlow]

Today, Colorado made me a criminal.

all my stuff fell into the river when i was fishing for jaws and got attacked today...

[Trisha]

". . . common use. . ."

Pity this doesn't count:

http://noisyroom.net/pix/Colt-Advert.jpg

[Lurch]

Ok really late to the show today, What has passed so far? Not that I really want to find out but I need to plan my buying and then plan my next boating accident.

[buckshotbarlow]

Ok really late to the show today, What has passed so far? Not that I really want to find out but I need to plan my buying and then plan my next boating accident.

everything has passed except 1224, it's being debated now...

[hatidua]

I need to plan my buying

-side-by-side .410's are legal, for the time being....

[Epyon]

Owen Hill is a fantastic speaker!

[osok-308]

I like this guy

[aryntha]

". . . common use. . ."

Pity this doesn't count:



How offensive! 20 dead babies in that picture. At -least-! At least the other 20 will be saved when the hero swoops in during the 11 second reload.

If the AR-15 had a 20rd mag *then*, how can it NOT be common use *now*...

[clublights]

here we go ....

[blacklabel]

Here it is....

[osok-308]

Are there any radio stations that play this?

[Justin]

Well, Giron just sold us out.

[roberth]

Injunction if it passes?

[blacklabel]

18-17 passes.

[clublights]

FUCK YOU!

[mahabali]

passed.

[Raul Duke]

Fuck, by 1

[muddywings]

I literally just logged in at home...do we have names yet?

[Jmetz]

That's it. 1224 adopted

[aryntha]

same as the division. Tochtrop and Jahn voted no.

[John123]

Fuckers

[Rabid]

We lost our state today.

[roberth]

We lost our state today.

Not just yet.

[aryntha]

welp. Bye Magpul, bye Erie, bunch of people jobless now, but at least we have a ~feel good safety number~.

[cjmore]

Ugly days

[StagLefty]

Sad day !!

[Portsider86]

Bye bye Magpul!

[aryntha]

Not just yet.

Why do you say that?

[loveski]

Wow

[birddog]

Bye bye magpul, bye bye Colorado. Sad day in this state.

[Rabid]

Not just yet.
We can get it back with work but as of right now its gone.

[roberth]

Why do you say that?

Governor still has to sign it.

[birddog]

Why do you say that?


Still has to be signed by the governor but he has already committed to it.

[Portsider86]

We have until July 1 to stockpile right?

[Birddog1911]

Time to hammer the governor even more.

[roberth]

Injunction maybe, appeal it?

[osok-308]

this is a dark day.

[Gman]

Surprise!!! [Ignore]

This was over at the last election.

[almostfree]

Wow, this is the most politically involved I have been since turning 18, and it seems it was all for nothing. What a huge disappointment and a substantial loss of freedom for Coloradans.

[Rabid]

Yes

[clublights]

Going after hinkinlooper is a waste of time.

[brobar]

I'm only two beers in... but now I think it is Jack & Coke time!

[anaphylaxis]

Unfuckingreal... Welp, gunna be lotsa buying going on before Lickherpooper signs these...

[th3w01f]

Does the safety clause mean you can no longer sell / transfer once signed?

[SA Friday]

Did the grandfather clause stay in the bill or not.

[Gman]

Unfuckingreal... Welp, gunna be lotsa buying going on before Lickherpooper signs these...
Buying what? Can't find ammo, can't find mags...

[buckshotbarlow]

anyone want to go fishing near cabelas in sidney let me know, my boat tips over there a lot...FUCK these senators who voted for this shit, and all the people that voted em in. I'm done being nice, time to start telling people where to stick it.

[roberth]

Did the grandfather clause stay in the bill or not.

Yes.

[blacklabel]

Did the grandfather clause stay in the bill or not.

Yeah

[birddog]

Surprise!!! [Ignore]

This was over at the last election.

hate to agree but you are right. We were on borrowed time. Ugh.

[Epyon]

Last stop is the governor. Don't give up yet. Keep hammering his office with phone, email, and fax. Let's see how many we can recall and then remember who to vote out in the coming elections.

[roberth]

I'm looking online for the Colorado appeals process.

[Birddog1911]

Please, Terry Maketa, run for the Gov. office, and repeal this bullshit!

[anaphylaxis]

Buying what? Can't find ammo, can't find mags...

Cessna products expand my ability to find and buy things, significantly...

[tmleadr03]

Grandfathering is still in the bill.

[neversummer900]

Appeals Court is where we will go now!

[loveski]

Let's get these Dem's recalled.. Just to screw them over. May not change anything but it'd hurt them where it counts

[roberth]

Appeals Court is where we will go now!

Yeah!! How does that work?

[lowspeed_highdrag]

I'm glad these bills passed. I feel so much safer already. I'm getting rid of all my damn guns. Thank you CO Senate for making us safer! Hope and change works!

[Justin]

Doesn't the bill have to be re-passed in the House before going to the Governor because of the amendments?

(Not that I expect the outcome to be any different.)

[Epyon]

Please, Terry Maketa, run for the Gov. office, and repeal this bullshit!

Maketa for governor!

[roberth]

I'm glad these bills passed. I feel so much safer already. I'm getting rid of all my damn guns. Thank you CO Senate for making us safer! Hope and change works!

I'll be up to to get them. ;)

[killianak9]

anyone want to go fishing near cabelas in sidney let me know, my boat tips over there a lot...FUCK these senators who voted for this shit, and all the people that voted em in. I'm done being nice, time to start telling people where to stick it.

hell yeah, ive got the gas and whiskey! this is some bullshit .ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

[Rucker61]

This is the bill that says the best defense against the hollow men is the hope that the sheepdogs aren't in the first fifteen people shot.

In other words the Democrats are willing to sacrifice 15 people in the hope that there is a sheepdog.

[SA Friday]

OK. I recommend someone who can break down what passed and a gist of 9 and 4 in a new thread, that would be really helpful. This is 117 pages long.

Just one thread. Who knows the bills the best? Figure that out and have them go for it.

[lowspeed_highdrag]

I'll be up to to get them. ;)
No, just like Mark Kelly, I will turn all of them in to the local police so they cant hurt anyone. Colorado politicians=national heroes!!!!!!!

[clublights]

Way to lose Colorado Jobs.

Since you know everyone has no problem finding those.

[John123]

GunGrabenlooper already said he was signing it if they send it to him.

[SA Friday]

Last stop is the governor. Don't give up yet. Keep hammering his office with phone, email, and fax. Let's see how many we can recall and then remember who to vote out in the coming elections.
You cant get red blood from a democrat...

[Madeinhb]

anyone want to go fishing near cabelas in sidney let me know, my boat tips over there a lot...FUCK these senators who voted for this shit, and all the people that voted em in. I'm done being nice, time to start telling people where to stick it.

I'm in.

[brobar]

Hickenlooper has nothing to lose by signing ALL of these into law. Bloomberg has already whispered in Hick's ear about needing a VP running mate for when he runs for president. The seed has been planted. In a couple of years... Hick will be hitting the campaign trails again. He doesn't care one bit about the threat of us voting him out of office.

[roberth]

No, just like Mark Kelly, I will turn all of them in to the local police so they cant hurt anyone. Colorado politicians=national heroes!!!!!!!

You're good subject. :)

[Great-Kazoo]

IF YOU COMPLY WE LOST. IF YOU OBEY WE LOST. IF YOU WORRY ABOUT GRANDFATHERING WE LOST.

NO COMPLYING, NO CONSENT TO SEARCH, NO NO NO.

[clublights]

Hickenlooper has nothing to lose by signing ALL of these into law. Bloomberg has already whispered in Hick's ear about needing a VP running mate for when he runs for president. The seed has been planted. In a couple of years... Hick will be hitting the campaign trails again. He doesn't care one bit about the threat of us voting him out of office.

And only see's signing these Anti gun laws as a plus for future campaigns .

[TFOGGER]

Is it time for pitchforks and torches yet?

[flan7211]

DO NOT COMPLY!!!!

[roberth]

Is it time for pitchforks and torches yet?

What do you mean "yet"?

How does the appeals or injunction process work.

[clublights]

Is it time for pitchforks and torches yet?


Yes... I'm bringing the gas and lighters..

[clublights]

Wait....

was 1224 amended any by the senate ?

[lowspeed_highdrag]

We must comply, the masters say so....

[Rooskibar03]

Is it time for pitchforks and torches yet?

This is pretty much where I'm at. Time for talk is over. Strike that, there never was a time to talk because talking to a progressive is worse then talking to a brick wall. At least there is a chance the wall will see the light.

[Lurch]

OK. I recommend someone who can break down what passed and a gist of 9 and 4 in a new thread, that would be really helpful. This is 117 pages long.

Just one thread. Who knows the bills the best? Figure that out and have them go for it.

Yes please and keep the comments to a separate unless something is wrong with the OP's gist.

[TEAMRICO]

Put me down for stocking up and not giving a damn what they say I can have.
All those youngn's who want to own guns and mags can suck it, I'm looking out for myself.
Time for self preservation.
Don't care about the laws because I will not be following them.
These laws are UNENFORCEABLE!
Now we go underground.
The trade off is peace will sweep the state! No more crime and it is safe for the Unicorns to come out again!!!!

[tmleadr03]

Has this ever been more appropriate?

http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/202159/40349.GIF

[dwalker460]

Colorado has made me a criminal twice today. The dems have written a check they will not be able to cash, because they have now they have literally pissed on hunters, sportsmen, and other middle of the road types that will never fucking forget this betrayal. There are only so many soccer moms, and some of them are gun owners. So dies the dem party in Colorado..

[J]

OK. I recommend someone who can break down what passed and a gist of 9 and 4 in a new thread, that would be really helpful. This is 117 pages long.

Just one thread. Who knows the bills the best? Figure that out and have them go for it.

I'll take it. Been watching every day from committee to third hearing in both house, and have thoroughly read each bill and amendment.

[tmleadr03]

Colorado has made me a criminal twice today. The dems have written a check they will not be able to cash, because they have now they have literally pissed on hunters, sportsmen, and other middle of the road types that will never fucking forget this betrayal. There are only so many soccer moms, and some of them are gun owners. So dies the dem party in Colorado..

Pipe dream. But the pendulum swings towards republican now.

[MAP]

Mr. MetroSexual crying. First we have heard about his threatening emails and communications. Let's see the proof of what he is saying. So full of shit. If he is your rep please recall this man from office.

In the hearing him and Agular were downright rude to the Magpul witnesses. Just confirms my personal observations that rude people complain the most when they get treated as they treat others.

Mike

[DHCO]

Someone needs to start a thread that confirms which models of magazines have date stamps and which don't. You know, for research.

[roberth]

Someone needs to start a thread that confirms which models of magazines have date stamps and which don't. You know, for research.

It should be in the Firearms/Magazines section.

[hurley842002]

I'll take it. Been watching every day from committee to third hearing in both house, and have thoroughly read each bill and amendment.

Thanks for doing this J

[clublights]

Ah 1224 DOES have to go back to the house since the senate amended it ..

But I doubt we have a snowballs chance in hell of stopping it there

Just means it will take an extra few days till it hits the governors desk .

[mrghost]

EVERYONE RELAX -- COLORADO IS NOW SAFE












[facepalm]

[DHCO]

EVERYONE RELAX -- COLORADO IS NOW SAFE [facepalm]


I've already torn up my CCW permit, sold my guns, taken the locks off my doors and put "This home proudly a gun free zone" on my front porch.

[Geology Rocks]

Well it looks like I know who I am calling tomorrow and every day from here on out.

I dont get it....this is 100% proof govt is corrupt and doesnt care about its people. I am so fucking pissed right now

[brobar]

The letter that just went out to every single House and Senate member! Will it do any good? No... the Democrats won't get it because their leadership has been urging them NOT to read emails or listen to their messages! I still had to say it though and it is 100% true!


My wife just came to me and asked "do you know how easy it is to change your political party affiliation in the state of Colorado?" It was much less a question and more of a statement. With the way the democrats have voted, handled this process, this package, and the constituents (yes, we've heard about the movement to ignore emails and messages, the corrupt threatening, extortion and bribing of our elected officials [sheriffs])... she has finally had enough. Congratulations on turning the heart of that little liberal from California! =) You have helped her see the light and she just filled out her paperwork to make the jump not from Democrat to Independent... but from Democrat to Republican! WOW! If you knew her... you would know that would be saying a lot! She is ashamed and embarrassed to be called a Democrat! I can only HOPE that many other women and Democrats in this state have been paying attention to the way the Democrats in the General Assembly have conducted themselves these past few weeks and will do the same to CHANGE their affiliation as well.

Having Bloomberg say he will fund your next run at election probably has you feeling pretty safe right now... but I think more people have been paying attention to this than you want to believe. I hope you find it was worth it. To not only put the lives of our citizens in danger with these unsafe bills (soon to be laws), but to put your political careers in danger as well... I guess if it doesn't take sheer stupidity it takes guts so congratulations either way!


We have taken the names of every single person who voted in favor of these bills (thank God for the roll vote). We (along with thousands of others) have made it our mission to work tirelessly and fight against your reelection and WE WILL FIGHT to get those rights back that you are trying to take away from us. When you are congratulating yourselves and patting yourselves on the back tonight for putting a target on CO citizens' backs... keep in the back of your mind that the celebration will be short lived because we will not give up. We will not allow you to strip us of our rights and liberties. As was said earlier today on the Senate floor... we would rather die in a free country/state, than live in one that is not!


-brobar (Independent)
-Mrs. brobar (ex Democrat)

It literally happened within minutes of the last vote. She came to me and said she has been researching how to change her party affiliation these past few days (I think Friday's testimony and the way the rape victims were treated was the straw that broke the camel's back) and she already filled out the paperwork. She is disgusted! I can only hope and pray that there are many others out there who were paying attention and feel the same way!!!

[merl]

stay a democrat, then you screw up the gerrymandering and get to vote in their primaries (assuming they are challenged, if they aren't this next time something is wrong)

I switched from independent to D for that purpose only.

[Rucker61]

What gets me is the sheer hubris of these people, these who won't own a gun, won't use a gun, won't touch a gun, won't allow a gun in our schools, disarm us, make us criminals, have acknowledged in law that they depend on us to be the sheepdogs to risk our lives to protect the sheep they purposely keep in danger. Those people don't CCW, we do; they aren't the ones who tackled a crazed gunman, it was a retired military officer that the sponsor of 1224 considers too insane to be allowed to buy a 30 round magazine, aided by a CCW holder.

Words fail me.

[Gman]

Cessna products expand my ability to find and buy things, significantly...
...then share, dammit. [fail]

jk

[aryntha]

So what's the chance of online dealers not being willing to sell *any* mags to CO due to the "Readily Convertible" clause?
I also hope nobody puts CO on the 'list' early on... July 1, people... Just ordered a mag for an XD(m) that I don't have yet.

[Cylinder Head]

Well, I dunno about you but I just spent a small fortune on mags.

[Gman]

We must comply, the masters say so....
We the people are the masters. Some folks need reminding.

[ghettoblaster]

stay a democrat, then you screw up the gerrymandering and get to vote in their primaries (assuming they are challenged, if they aren't this next time something is wrong)

I switched from independent to D for that purpose only.

I'm considering doing the same..... Time to throw the wrench in their gears. They must pay for this politically, and I am willing to do whatever it takes to make it hurt.

[MED]

The next thing I need to do is set up the trust for my son and I. I just gave him 8 PMAGS and 5 G17 mags; I am going to get the documentation notarized.

Make sure you get your gets all set up on mags.

I am pretty lucky, a good friend sent me a bunch of mags from out of state.

[.455_Hunter]

Any reason I can't "give" my 7 yr old son a nice set of 20/30 rd AR and Thompson mags right now for his future enjoyment?

[dwalker460]

The next thing I need to do is set up the trust for my son and I. I just gave him 8 PMAGS and 5 G17 mags; I am going to get the documentation notarized.

Make sure you get your gets all set up on mags.

I am pretty lucky, a good friend sent me a bunch of mags from out of state.

Fuck that. This is an Un Constitutional law and I will not abide by it or any of the others they are trying to ramrod down the publics throat. The more they keep pushing, the worse its going to be when the last straw falls.

[clublights]

Nothing wrong with being prepared.

[Shootersfab]

I am going to send HickenDickLooper my bar tab, and i have to get my blood drawn tomorrow, then he can explain to my doctor the reason for the massively elevated alcohol level...

dick

[Fmedges]

At least all of you won't be in denial about these bills anymore. Now that we are on the same page again we can make their occupation as painful as possible.

[Jer]

At least all of you won't be in denial about these bills anymore. Now that we are on the same page again we can make their occupation as painful as possible.

I was called a 'defeatist' I believe.

[buckshotbarlow]

1 bottle of captn down...where's my second??? Looks like land prices will be going up in Wyoming...

[Fmedges]

I was called a 'defeatist' I believe.

Yeah and that we quit too easily right?

[Jer]

Yeah and that we quit too easily right?

By people who have no clue what I've done to fight this.

[Fmedges]

By people who have no clue what I've done to fight this.

fuck 'em

[MAP]

Obama put 2 anti-gun justices in there. Do not know what the out come would be.

He replaced 2 old libs with 2 younger libs. The court is still a 5 - 4 split.

Mike

[bellavite1]

I keep hearing HB 13-1224 is going back to the house to get the senate amendment(s) approved.
I must have missed that part yesterday.
Can anybody explain the amendment (s)?

[zulu01]

I don't remember the exact details, but they amended the section pertaining to shotguns.

[jslo]

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/93757-Summary-of-Passed-and-Failed-Bills-in-Colorado-Legislature

[muddywings]

I found some '11 second' posts in here but work prevented me yesterday to listening much. Can some recap what that was about?
I'm guessing Sandy Hook. My question is....how does he know? I didn't realize the police reports were made public yet. And I heard through the rumor mill that the police found half full mags dumped on the ground so I'm confused.
-thanks

[mtnhack]

I found some '11 second' posts in here but work prevented me yesterday to listening much. Can some recap what that was about? I'm guessing Sandy Hook. My question is....how does he know? I didn't realize the police reports were made public yet. And I heard through the rumor mill that the police found half full mags dumped on the ground so I'm confused. -thanksThat prick sen. Johnston (?) from denver gave an emotional BS speech from atop the graves of sandy hook's kids. He kept it up about an 11 second mag change and equating it to 11 little lives. And if we would just pass this pos bill, those 11 second mag changes would allow for someone brave (not him, he even said so) to rush the shooter and save 11 lives.

[muddywings]

That prick sen. Johnston (?) from denver gave an emotional BS speech from atop the graves of sandy hook's kids. He kept it up about an 11 second mag change and equating it to 11 little lives. And if we would just pass this pos bill, those 11 second mag changes would allow for someone brave (not him, he even said so) to rush the shooter and save 11 lives.

hmmm....thanks. Good to know he saw the police report a head of it being released and knows that it took that crazy kid 11 seconds to mag reload.

[Rucker61]

That prick sen. Johnston (?) from denver gave an emotional BS speech from atop the graves of sandy hook's kids. He kept it up about an 11 second mag change and equating it to 11 little lives. And if we would just pass this pos bill, those 11 second mag changes would allow for someone brave (not him, he even said so) to rush the shooter and save 11 lives.

So then the reasonable capacity change from 10 to 15 means five more lives lost before a mag chance is reasonable?

[mtnhack]

So then the reasonable capacity change from 10 to 15 means five more lives lost before a mag chance is reasonable?Arbitrary BS and illogical leaps in reasoning is par for these bills. Try explaining it to any one of them and you will likely end up in a nut-house.

[Jer]

fuck 'em

My feeling exactly.

[Rucker61]

I found some '11 second' posts in here but work prevented me yesterday to listening much. Can some recap what that was about?
I'm guessing Sandy Hook. My question is....how does he know? I didn't realize the police reports were made public yet. And I heard through the rumor mill that the police found half full mags dumped on the ground so I'm confused.
-thanks

Just posted this to Johnston's Facebook:

"I vote for saving eleven more lives" sounds much better than "I also voted to ensure that 5 more lives per reload would be lost in the interest of sounding reasonable". If saving lives is so important, why didn't you amend this bill back to 10, or even 5? The first fifteen lives aren't so important? I also admired your hubris in weakening the power of the sheepdogs to fight the wolves while praising their existence to protect you, the sheep.

[whitbaby]

Methinks squire Kelly is exploiting his wife's unfortunate shooting and positioning himself for a run for AZ governor or legislators...

[battle_sight_zero]

Methinks squire Kelly is exploiting his wife's unfortunate shooting and positioning himself for a run for AZ governor or legislators...

Doubt it will work.

[mrghost]

Methinks squire Kelly is exploiting his wife's unfortunate shooting and positioning himself for a run for AZ governor or legislators...

When I'm feeling a bit down, I like to read all the recent comments on his FB page calling him out on his hypocrisy as a nice little pick-me-up.