SENATE'S GUN CONTROL READING * LIVE

[ChunkyMonkey]

UPDATE

MARCH 11 LIVE FEED - 3RD FINAL READING


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zCxDYt2jcCY#!

[ChunkyMonkey]

It's happening now

[Madeinhb]

Hudak really is annoying.

[blacklabel]

I'll start listening when I get back to work. I'm going to enjoy my breakfast peacefully.

[Madeinhb]

What the fuck? Is she really crying now?

[mtnrider]

I can't watch this any more....

[jhood001]

In really, really early before the lock...

Fingers are still crossed for good results on some of the worst of these bills.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Dems don't have enough votes to ban CCW in campuses... They are confident of the rest of the bills...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22746936/colorado-gun-bills-guns-campus-goes-before-senate

[Madeinhb]

Dems don't have enough votes to ban CCW in campuses... They are confident of the rest of the bills...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22746936/colorado-gun-bills-guns-campus-goes-before-senate

But reading it, it says because of the rape comments made by democrats.

[ChunkyMonkey]

But reading it, it says because of the rape comments made by democrats.

The article confirms the kill, but if you think democrats comments kill the bill, so be it. The only reason why any of these bills will be defeated/rescinded is because of numbers of votes. :)

[Jmetz]

Here is the audio only link. ChunkyMonkey can you add it to your OP so people don't have to dig?

http://coloradoga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=16

[ChunkyMonkey]

Done..thanks

[Jmetz]

Thank you sir!

[th3w01f]

If you have Comcast it's live on channel 165 (Colo Channel).

[aryntha]

For those of us at work who can't stream -- What bill is up right now?

[DHCO]

I can't watch this any more....

And its expected to go on late into the night.

[Madeinhb]

For those of us at work who can't stream -- What bill is up right now?

The one regarding felons, domestic violence etc to turn in their weapons.

[ChunkyMonkey]

For those of us at work who can't stream -- What bill is up right now?

I think it will be in this order...

- Senate Bill 197: Prevents people who have committed domestic violence from possessing firearms <-- NOW
- Senate Bill 195: Requires certain applicants for concealed handgun permits to complete training classes with certified instructors
- House Bill 1229: Requires criminal background checks in the transfer of firearms
- House Bill 1228: Required gun purchasers to pay a fee, likely $10, to cover the cost of a required background check on gun purchases
- House Bill 1224: Prohibits large-capacity magazines
- Senate Bill 196: Implements the “Assault Weapons Responsibility Act (http://coloradosenate.org/home/press/assault-weapon-responsibility-act-passes-first-test-in-senate-committee)”

[Batteriesnare]

Are they voting today or just reading?

[aryntha]

Are they voting today or just reading?

"Voice vote" where the senate leader basically gauges who's loudest. I expect everything to pass today even if the "NO!" is louder. (Never understood this practice.) Though some are saying it could be a counted vote. (I believe any senator can request a count.)

Then official count on Monday.

[Cylinder Head]

Are they voting today or just reading?

I don't understand this process at all however I do see that 1226 died.

[cjmore]

I don't understand this process at all however I do see that 1226 died.

What does that mean and how is that know?

[aryntha]

What does that mean and how is that know?

They withdrew it because they know they had 4 votes against. Better to withdraw than to get voted down publically.

[ChunkyMonkey]

What does that mean and how is that know?

They already removed it from the reading schedule.

[cjmore]

Thank you I missed that - some good news!! That's this reference, correct?

HB13-1226 by Representative(s) Levy; also Senator(s) Heath–Concerning eliminating the authority of a
concealed handgun permit holder to possess a concealed handgun on the campus of an
institution of higher education.

[Sharpienads]

Well that's good about 1226. I wish they'd still vote on it though. Seems kinda chickenshit to have it pass committee and then just let it quietly disappear. Oh well.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Well that's good about 1226. I wish they'd still vote on it though. Seems kinda chickenshit to have it pass committee and then just let it quietly disappear. Oh well.

LEFT politicians are all about mirage, smoke and mirror for a good show... they will not fight on a losing battle even if it really matters to them.

[Jer]

Well that's good about 1226. I wish they'd still vote on it though. Seems kinda chickenshit to have it pass committee and then just let it quietly disappear. Oh well.

To vote requires readings/debates/time wasters. I'm glad they realized it wasn't going to pass and took it down. If they did it for each and every one of these bills before the Senate you would hear no complaints from me.

[Sharpienads]

To vote requires readings/debates/time wasters. I'm glad they realized it wasn't going to pass and took it down. If they did it for each and every one of these bills before the Senate you would hear no complaints from me.

Word.

[merl]

I'm just glad the CO rules have these timewasting procedures built into them. Too bad NY doesn't.

[jslo]

http://www.coloradochannel.net/colorado-senate-2013-legislative-day-59

Video link

[Kraven251]

and nothing is final until the real vote ...this shit is so draining.

[Caithford]

OMG someone with common sense!!!! "Senate Bill 194 is a 'feel good' bill so we feel like we're doing something, but it doesn't actually FIX the problem"

[cjmore]

Senator Marble is providing great questions and support against SB13-197

[Madeinhb]

I don't even want to listen if they aren't voting.

[Caithford]

You really don't. These supporters are so deluded.

[Madeinhb]

Fuck - more important to protect the vulnerable? How about that person who makes choices.

[Rucker61]

We just have to make sure that the criminals obey this law.

[Caithford]

Fuck - more important to protect the vulnerable? How about that person who makes choices.
This is where they are so wrong. The job of Law Enforcement is to enforce laws and punish those who break it. The job of the gov't is to PROTECT OUR RIGHTS. I had to stop listening.

[StagLefty]

Posted in the other thread earlier : Pain killers, Valium IV drip, rubber mallet, Hoppes #9 sprinkled around monitor, Cheetos, fresh Depends, drone alarm set, fresh pot of coffee-Yep I'm ready. Unleash the stupidity !!

[blacklabel]

Damn, this testimony is actually fairly moving.

[Geology Rocks]

Sen. King is the man. I want to volunteer my time to him. He is one of the few there who act like a real man and a human being.

[hatidua]

Cheetos, fresh Depends

prepper!

[StagLefty]

prepper!

[ROFL1]

[Goodburbon]

I am in the gallery.

[Geology Rocks]

at least they are recognizing that we are pissed.

[Lurch]

I am in the gallery.

Was the vote to table it till Monday actual or just another we don't care vote?

[Geology Rocks]

yes we are bitches!

[ChunkyMonkey]

I am in the gallery.

Prove it... scream "CHEETOS!"

[blacklabel]

Passed voice vote.

[Geology Rocks]

wow

[ChunkyMonkey]

WTF He announced the bill passes 2nd reading before some of the senators finished saying 'NO!'

[mtnhack]

WTF? How the hell does the voice vote work? The "No's" were clearly louder.

[Goodburbon]

Sb197 passes

[Gunner]

Thought they said "Cockdrop"

[ChunkyMonkey]

WTF? How the hell does the voice vote work? The "No's" were clearly louder.

3rd reading is the final votes.... from my understanding of past senate hearing I followed. Someone clarifies please.

[merl]

WTF? How the hell does the voice vote work? The "No's" were clearly louder.

voice vote is purely up to the majority leader. There could be dead silence for the Aye and he could still say it passes.

[Rucker61]

Wow, it's about time someone talked about mental illness.

[T.rexford]

Didn't matter. She talked about it but then turned it into the instructor determining whether people are mentally ill or not. Bunch of bullshit.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I gotta turn it off... 4 hours into my work..only 20 min worth of work done. [LOL] Ok lunch break

[merl]

I gotta turn it off... 4 hours into my work..only 20 min worth of work done. [LOL] Ok lunch break

yeah, this whole mess has played hell with my productivity.

[T.rexford]

Whats the amendment they are talking about? I just got here as I had some work to do.

[lowbeyond]

1229 up

[Rucker61]

Yeah, those criminals spend a lot of time with lawyers to spend $1000 to set up trusts to buy a $200 pistol.

[mtnhack]

3rd reading is the final votes.... from my understanding of past senate hearing I followed. Someone clarifies please.So today is fucking worthless as far as hoping for a strike-down of any of these POS bills.

[StagLefty]

so wait.....did back ground checks just fail?

Voting on the amendments first

[aryntha]

Nothing failed. Everyting will "pass" today, since it's the voice vote - unless a republican demands a count; which I don't know why that isn't happening. I suppose there's a reason for it, but I know they can demand a count.

In any case, today is just a lot of theater and grandstanding and i suppose reinforcement. Monday is when the door finally closes.

[lowbeyond]

i'll tell ya what. i get the second reading is voice vote, and the roll call is the 3rd. ok fine. but wtf why are the amendments not subject to a roll call. that seems lame

[T.rexford]

I agree. Amendments should be subject to roll call. If they're not that's ridiculous.

And gun violence is not becoming an epidemic. These people make me sick.

[mtnhack]

Here is that 40% bullshit stat again. We need a buzzer to blast every time someone lies.

[Rucker61]

I'm going to start making up statistics in my job.

[Goodburbon]

Breaking news : background checks make suicidal people want to live.

[T.rexford]

Glad to see this bitch only thinks about the cities. Don't think about the rural people who may have to drive hours to get to a FFL. This in my opinion is in violation of the 2nd amendment.

[Rucker61]

If this law will prevent criminals from buying guns, let's pass a law against killing.

[mb504]

When they say stuff like "this bill will not restrict someone's use of a firearm for self-defense", "this bill won't restrict someone's ability to purchase a firearm", or "this bill doesn't restrict hunters, shooters, or etc..."

I hear... "this bill with not restrict... blah blah.., but we have a bill for that"

[mb504]

If this law will prevent criminals from buying guns, let's pass a law against killing.

Make it against the law to break into homes and steal guns!

[Rucker61]

yeah, this whole mess has played hell with my productivity.

No meetings today, so I'm listening and working on cleaning up the almost 6k emails that have been piling up in my in-box.

[Goodburbon]

Not one dem senator is paying attention. This is not a debate, it is a farce.

[muddywings]

history lesson....I approve!

[mindfold]

Not one dem senator is paying attention. This is not a debate, it is a farce.

This^^^^^

[Jer]

To the guy in the gallery: Do me a favor, next time some idiot in favor of these bills presents a 'story' about how a woman was threatened on a daily basis by a husband/BF with a gun shout as loud as you can 'LEAVE THE SITUATION YOU FUCKING IDIOT!' No reason sane humans should have to forfeit their Constitutionally protected rights because one coward can't pick up her skirt, grab her balls (and likely her innocent children) and get the FUCK OUT OF THE SITUATION!

For anyone who thinks that was harsh and I don't have compassion... I was the only child raised by a single mother who sub-consciously sought out abusive relationships of varying degrees during my ENTIRE childhood. I speak from first-hand experience. You don't want to go down that path with me.

[Rucker61]

This guy has lost the plot on this bill. Nothing he says will make any difference with the Democrats. Focus on the unenforceability, and the stupidity of a BGC for a loan to family and friends.

[asmo]

For anyone who thinks that was harsh and I don't have compassion... I was the only child raised by a single mother who sub-consciously sought out abusive relationships of varying degrees during my ENTIRE childhood. I speak from first-hand experience. You don't want to go down that path with me.

I'm with you 100,000,000 percent.

[dwalker460]

I am loving this guy speaking now! He is hammering home the Constitution and making solid points.

[Goodburbon]

This guy has lost the plot on this bill. Nothing he says will make any difference with the Democrats. Focus on the unenforceability, and the stupidity of a BGC for a loan to family and friends.

Family is exempted by the amendment.

[Rucker61]

Family is exempted by the amendment.

For only 72 hours for a loan, neh? Otherwise, it has to be a gift.

[neversummer900]

Balmer was outstanding. He stated very clearly and straight foward that the 2nd amendment and the constitution is not up for renegotiation.

[DHCO]

I am loving this guy speaking now! He is hammering home the Constitution and making solid points.
Where have you been? The Constitution is just a suggestion these days.

[Rucker61]

This is driving me crazy. Address the actual issues with the bill, damnit.

[StagLefty]

The part that sickens me is no matter how eloquent or fact based our side presents we don't seem to be heard-sad state of affairs in my book

[vectorsc]

HAHAHA - as if in 72 hours you couldn't do whatever it is these bills are meant to protect us from.

[lowbeyond]

The part that sickens me is no matter how eloquent or fact based our side presents we don't seem to be heard-sad state of affairs in my book

Its becasue the people that are going to vote Aye are fukking traitors

[Rucker61]

HAHAHA - as if in 72 hours you couldn't do whatever it is these bills are meant to protect us from.

Let's amend 72 hours to 72 forevers.

[U81I812]

These Dems are bought and paid for with big labor money...

They will do as they are told.

[Rucker61]

A CBI BGC that took longer than 72 hours for the return of a loaned firearm would put the loanee into a criminal offense.

[Rucker61]

They need to attack the statistics in the original presentation, too.

[fj605]

Thanks for posting updates of the proceedings/readings. I can't watch or listen to it so I'm relying on everyone there to keep the updates rolling in.

I really appreciate it.

[Rucker61]

He's got to be freaking the Dems out now.

[ChunkyMonkey]

F*ck yeah, Greg Brophy!

[Geology Rocks]

yes yes yes....40%

[mtnhack]

Yes! Marble and the 40% stats BS!
(Brophy kicked ass btw!)

[Rucker61]

I f*cking love science.

[Geology Rocks]

i think I love this lady

[merl]

I f*cking love science.

it works bitches? :)

[mindfold]

I f*cking love science.

Statistics ROCK!!!

[robertcolorado2009]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS THE BALLS TO SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT THE 40% NUMBER AND THESE BILLS!!!!!!!!!!

[colo-pr]

OMG, the last Monday I can't sleep thinking in the results, the last night also can't sleep thinking in the results and now guys you said that on Monday is the day of the results!!!! Oh god! This process killing me!

[ChunkyMonkey]

Here comes Bloomberg's girl.

[osok-308]

Is the video choppy for anyone else?

Also, I am loving the last lady who spoke.

[StagLefty]

Here comes Bloomberg's girl.
?????????????????????

[ChunkyMonkey]

WTF.. majority leader speak to the chamber while chewing gum?

[ChunkyMonkey]

?????????????????????

Senator Carroll

[ChunkyMonkey]

Senator Carroll basically said all concerns to transfer firearms temporarily to family members etc is invalid as it is allowed in the amendment. The current speaker corrected her saying that the language actually requires that firearms being permanently gifted to family members.

[StagLefty]

The woman speaking now is opposing the bill

[sellersm]

WTF.. majority leader speak to the chamber while chewing gum?

Nicorette?

[ChunkyMonkey]

You are behind somehow, Stag.. that was 3 speakers ago.. right now, Senator King has the floor.

[StagLefty]

You are behind somehow, Stag.. that was 3 speakers ago.. right now, Senator King has the floor.
Carrol just got up-I'm watching channel 165 it says live ???

[Rucker61]

I like Lundberg. Personifies the Voice of Reason.

[mtnhack]

You are behind somehow, Stag.. that was 3 speakers ago.. right now, Senator King has the floor.WTF King? Get with it; we don't have time for you fucking up.

[StagLefty]

My bad somehow-I just hit refresh and caught up

[ChunkyMonkey]

You guys are few minutes behind of the LIVE FEED posted on the top of this thread. Right now, Sen Lunberg is speaking about Bill of Right sec # 13

[StagLefty]

Senator Hill just stepped up-correct ?

[Goodburbon]

Calling out the majority leader to defend he bill against the constitutionality.

[Geology Rocks]

Some of these people give me hope. The ones with a D really piss me off though. Its like they are not even paying attention.

[Goodburbon]

Someone young is up now.

[.455_Hunter]

So I am confused- Would it be legal under this bill to leave "my" guns at my parent house for an extended period of time, or my brother to leave his guns with me while he works overseas during the summer?

[mtnhack]

So I am confused- Would it be legal under this bill to leave &quot;my&quot; guns at my parent house for an extended period of time, or my brother to leave his guns with me while he works overseas during the summer?Only if you were leaving in 30 days or less as part of a US military assigment. Otherwise, it has to be a permanent transfer. (as far as I can tell)

[ChunkyMonkey]

WTF King? Get with it; we don't have time for you fucking up.

Really? You get with it.

[mtnhack]

Really? You get with it.Did you hear him speaking on the background check? He didn't even know which bill he was speaking on and was wrist-slapped for it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I wish Sen Hill was more direct... those guns used in the tragedies mentioned were purchased legally w/ background check.

[Rucker61]

If I was a Republican Senator, I'd be repeatedly inserting "If I RECALL...", then look over the the Dems and say "No offense".

[ChunkyMonkey]

Did you hear him speaking on the background check? He didn't even know which bill he was speaking on and was wrist-slapped for it.

Gotcha... I misunderstood you.

[Rucker61]

These are the best points yet.

[mindfold]

This is the best argument I have heard against this bill. Of course that they are completely against 2A.

[Goodburbon]

Did you hear him speaking on the background check? He didn't even know which bill he was speaking on and was wrist-slapped for it.

Incorrect. He was tying the two bills together to point out that it was essentially an ownership tax to exercise a right. Apparently you aren't allowed to mention any other bills when arguing against the bill, even when it is relevant to the argument.

[Rucker61]

Is this from our own COLO-PR?

[dwalker460]

They are reading colo-pr's statement.

[crashdown]

That's what i was thinking... cool

[mtnhack]

Incorrect. He was tying the two bills together to point out that it was essentially an ownership tax to exercise a right. Apparently you aren't allowed to mention any other bills when arguing against the bill, even when it is relevant to the argument.So then he was so lost that he couldn't string together a single thought against the universal background check?
He has been great up to then, but that was uncomfortable.

[osok-308]

I hope this is enough to kill the bill!

[Goodburbon]

They just read a portion of Angel's letter (Mr Puerto Rico)

[Goodburbon]

So then he was so lost that he couldn't string together a single thought against the universal background check?
He has been great up to then, but that was uncomfortable.

If you are about to give me a speech and I rule your core argument invalid 3 sentences in you would have a hard time recovering too. I would.

[brutal]

They're reading letters, I think a few of our own were read. Our PR member (forget the handle) Angel was named.

[Jmetz]

They just read a portion of Angel's letter (Mr Puerto Rico)

That was colo-pr they read yeah?

[Rucker61]

How many veterans on the other side, I wonder?

[mtnhack]

If you are about to give me a speech and I rule your core argument invalid 3 sentences in you would have a hard time recovering too. I would.Fair enough.

[Goodburbon]

Yeah I think that was a portion of colo-pr's letter.

[crashdown]

I stepped away... who is the TV guy?

[Rucker61]

Telling the Dems that gun nuts won't be coming to CO is the wrong message, regardless of economic impact.

[dwalker460]

The hunting thing is actually true, my Dad is not going to come here from Tennessee for an elk hunt this year because he is pissed about the gun laws.

[Rucker61]

The hunting thing is actually true, my Dad is not going to come here from Tennessee for an elk hunt this year because he is pissed about the gun laws.

Yeah, but the Dems don't care. Now Bambi will live in peace and harmony, and without hunting Bambi, we won't need ARs for hunting then, eh?

[Goodburbon]

Telling the Dems that gun nuts won't be coming to CO is the wrong message, regardless of economic impact.
I was thinking the same thing.

I predict their reply will be "Good".

[Goodburbon]

About to mention magpul.

[Goodburbon]

Never mind, JR butler.

[ChunkyMonkey]

While that's true, I encountered many moderates and hunters who don't care for hi cap or the black rifle. Those guys need to jump in the wagon and pressure their reps.

[Rucker61]

Any lawyers here? What are the legal consequences with regards to HB-13-1229 and granting someone temporary power of attorney, limited to your firearms? Is this a viable bypass?

[Sharpienads]

Guy speaking is about to call out Fields on her criminal past.

[Teufelhund]

Ha! Yeah, he started to. It looks like he's saving it for later.

[Sharpienads]

Ha! Yeah, he started to. It looks like he's saving it for later.

I am anxiously waiting.

The guy that just finished was great.

ETA: Sen King made a funny.

[lowbeyond]

lol

only thing that stops an insane person is a saner person with a better sight picture [LOL]

[dwalker460]

Sen King-


The only thing that stops a crazy person with a gun is a sane person with a better sight picture

Seriously, the best thing I have heard all day.

[Rucker61]

Sen King-



Seriously, the best thing I have heard every day.


Already .sigged.

[Sharpienads]

Holy shit... is Tochtrop gonna be a no vote?

[clublights]

So I worked late last night.. been sick today and I'm just getting going for today ...

where are we on all the bills ? I'm confused with what I have read so far .

Has 1226 died ?

[Sharpienads]

1226 is dead

[Teufelhund]

lol

only thing that stops an insane person is a saner person with a better sight picture [LOL]

The dogs ran downstairs to see what I was laughing at.

[Sharpienads]

That voice vote was freaking lame

[dwalker460]

Seriously, the nos had that vote.

[Goodburbon]

Passed.

[lowbeyond]

yet again. way more No then Aye. Bill Passes.

god only knows why the frick there is a 2nd reading since its all bullshit anyway

[Teufelhund]

I understand the actual vote count will be on Monday, but I'm confused about the "applause-O-meter" method. "The ayes have it. Because I say so."

[crashdown]

How does that work?????????

[mtnhack]

The no's have had every vote. It's BS.

[Rucker61]

That same CBI check that prevented Aurora?

[osok-308]

Yes! 1226 is dead! How about any of the other bills?

[Goodburbon]

They aren't actually counting, there were only 8 demos in their seats at the time.

[whitbaby]

I can't believe our peeps didn't demand a Roll Call vote where the votes are actually COUNTED and we would KNOW who voted for what!

[NickDQuick]

Huh. I've never listed to a session before. They just yell, and the Chair decides if she likes it or not?

[Goodburbon]

Which one was 1226?

[Dave]

I'm guessing someone other than a senator would get jailed for trying to start a "roll count vote" chant?

[NickDQuick]

1226 was concealed carry on college campus, I believe.

[Rucker61]

Huh. I've never listed to a session before. They just yell, and the Chair decides if she likes it or not?

Evidently.

[Fmedges]

Huh. I've never listed to a session before. They just yell, and the Chair decides if she likes it or not?

The real vote is on monday

[Birddog1911]

I'm at work, trying to keep up. Can someone summarize where we are to this point?

[osok-308]

I'm at work, trying to keep up. Can someone summarize where we are to this point?

+1 I would love to know so far

[Sharpienads]

Everything has passed so far except 1226.

[Birddog1911]

The mag ban and SB-196 have gone through?

[brobar]

The oral votes really have no weight or bearing in the process. It only passes the bill on along to the 3rd reading (maybe Monday) at which point there will be an actual roll called for the vote. THAT vote will show you every single person and which way they voted.

[mtnhack]

<p>

I&#39;m at work, trying to keep up. Can someone summarize where we are to this point?Good lord I cannot get the formatting correct.</p>
<p>
There has been a voice vote passing of the Univ. Background, the Domestic Violence, and Online CCW training.</p>

[crashdown]

Notice how "Madam Chair" questions every Republican if their statement is regarding the current bill, but never questions a Dem.?

[brobar]

I'm still seeing that HB1226 isn't killed... just yet. Apparently the drafter is wavering and he isn't sure if he wants the bill heard or not. While the Republicans believe there aren't enough votes for it... it may still be heard and voted on tonight.

[Rucker61]

Goodburbon, what's the real count?

[Sharpienads]

Interesting process for the amendment. Didn't look like they counted anybody on the Dem side.

ETA: The amendment for the legislature, not CBI, to set the fee for background checks failed.

[Goodburbon]

Domestic violence bill.passed
universal BgC checks passed
Hearing arguments on the bgc fees now.

Vote counts? No. They don't bother, except on amendments. All seem to be along party lines so far.

[Sharpienads]

"We used to call it a poll tax, now we call it HB1228"

[mtnhack]

<p>
I hope they do not try to introduce this into the proceedings. Sportsman Channel host killed http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22748375</p>

[Rucker61]

"We used to call it a poll tax, now we call it HB1228"

"And the irony is, we don't even have to spend a dime".

[Jer]

Everything has passed so far except 1226.

I think a better way to explain this for people who don't understand is that 1226 (ban on college campuses) will likely be killed. The others at this juncture still appear to be alive for an actual counted vote which won't happen until Monday. Saying that everything is passed can make it sound like it's a done deal. While it likely is the actual deed won't be done until Monday when the vote is cast and counted.

[Geology Rocks]

<p>
I hope they do not try to introduce this into the proceedings. Sportsman Channel host killed http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22748375</p>


Not that it makes it right. But it sounds like this guy was caught with another mans woman.

[merl]

imagine how much pressure is going to be coming at those swing (D) this weekend.

[Rucker61]

imagine how much pressure is going to be coming at those swing (D) this weekend.

Even the non-swing ones. I'll be talking at the Fort Collins neighborhood meeting.

[Rucker61]

So the money isn't just for true costs, but to fund mental health treatment.

[merl]

Even the non-swing ones. I'll be talking at the Fort Collins neighborhood meeting.

I was thinking more about pressure from DC and NY but yes it'll be coming from both sides.

[Rucker61]

Who sets the fee? and the internet is free.

[Rucker61]

Yeah, Lundberg caught that mental health slip.

[lowbeyond]

Mag bill up now.

[DHCO]

I am very concerned that this fee bill doesn't have a limit. It will be $10-15 but maybe in a few years CBI will "raise their costs" to $30-40 a check. They will simply raise the fees higher and higher to discourage gun ownership.

[mtnhack]

Fuck. Date stamping.

[roberth]

I am very concerned that this fee bill doesn't have a limit. It will be $10-15 but maybe in a few years CBI will "raise their costs" to $30-40 a check. They will simply raise the fees higher and higher to discourage gun ownership.

Why stop at $40, make it $200.

[DHCO]

Ammending mag bill to eliminate serial numbers. Trying to appease Magpul. No one tell them it isn&#39;t illegal to deface magazines.

[lowbeyond]

It has no limit. CBI is just another bureaucracy. They are not special. After the butt fucking they gave everyone with their waiting list that lo and behold got cleared in one day - when they felt like it, this should be clear.

Oh well you see the folks over at CBI need a raise, oh and need better healthcare and better pensions and new furniture, and a new building, and junkets all over the world etc etc, all that is COST.

[merl]

is the weasel method they are planning on to have other things like mental health draw on the same fund?


I dont see language specifically saying that only CBI can access that fund

[roberth]

It has no limit. CBI is just another bureaucracy. They are not special.

Oh well you see the folks over at CBI need a raise, oh and need better healthcare and better pensions and new furniture, and a new building, and junkets all over the world etc etc, all that is COST.

...and those costs will be carried by people like us.

[mtnhack]

Magazines CANNOT FUCKING KILL ANYTHING, you cow!

[Epyon]

"See what happens when you get advice from a Coloradan and not someone from New York City?" That made me laugh. Damn I hope things turn out for the better on Monday.

[roberth]

Magazines CANNOT FUCKING KILL ANYTHING, you cow!

Fuckin' lyin' sack of shit.

I'm glad I have to go run errands now b/c I'll have a chance to cool off.

[Fmedges]

The name, mayors against illegals guns pisses me off

[clublights]

listing mass killings and the mag sizes.... brings up VT and doesn't say the mag sizes... why CUZ THEY WERE ALL 10 ROUND MAGS!!!!!!

[mtnhack]

"This chart shows there is no statisitical significance to a standard capacity magazine, so I will use it anyway"

[Goodburbon]

Magazines CANNOT FUCKING KILL ANYTHING, you cow!

Get out of my head.

[Goodburbon]

listing mass killings and the mag sizes.... brings up VT and doesn't say the mag sizes... why CUZ THEY WERE ALL 10 ROUND MAGS!!!!!!

Bingo!

[merl]

Magazines CANNOT FUCKING KILL ANYTHING, you cow!

I'd bet you could beat someone to death alot easier with a 30 round mag than a 15 round one :) Could probably choke a cow with a mag.
If Chuck Norris threw a loaded 30 round mag at you out of a balloon at 30000 feet it might kill you...

hmm, how else could you kill someone with a mag?
(and yes I know the operative part is YOU, not the mag. Having some fun)

[mtnhack]

I'd bet you could beat someone to death alot easier with a 30 round mag than a 15 round one :) Could probably choke a cow with a mag. If Chuck Norris threw a loaded 30 round mag at you out of a balloon at 30000 feet it might kill you... hmm, how else could you kill someone with a mag? (and yes I know the operative part is YOU, not the mag. Having some fun)I bet a cow could choke on one without any help from me. I'll wait while she tries.

[neversummer900]

Bye Bye Magpul, bye bye 800 jobs related to your awesome business. Oh and I guess bye bye to hundreds of other businesses and tourism dollars. My bet if they pass these bills somewhere between 2000-6000 jobs will leave the state never to return. If for no other reason these bills need to go down for financial reason alone.

[hurley842002]

Somewhat off topic, but not worth starting a new thread over. Just heard an ad on 99.5, paid for by the NRA, putting some major pressure on Sen Nancy Todd!!

[neversummer900]

God I hope she listens. I've been in contact with her on a daily basis since these bills were introduced.

[merl]

yes but the jobs will be concentrated in longmont/erie (yet the senator for there is a firm yes) or scattered across the state in ones and twos. just a little blip that wont even register on a statewide basis.

[Rucker61]

So if all these pass, I see this in my future: My boss tells me to go to Asia for my quarterly business trip. As I have (say) 10 guns in my safe, and my wife will need access to those guns to protect our family, we will need to transfer them. Since I'm fully expecting to retain ownership of those guns, I can't bona fide gift those to her. We have to go to an FFL, with all my guns, and transfer them, at 10 x ($10+new fee), say a total of $30 initially, leaving them with the FFL until the BGC is approved. Now, I'm not going to return in three days, so she will breaking the law by not returning my guns to me in 72 hours and loses her right to possess firearms. And if any of those guns use magazines with greater than 15 capacity, I can't transfer those to her, so she is less safe than she would be if she had full access to a working AR. Let's say she gets a currently non-existent extension, upon my return we do the same thing all over again, paying another $30 to the FFL for the pure purpose of retaining my Constitutionally protected rights. What's not to like?

[dwalker460]

I like that one dudes 'stache, between the 'stache and his mannerisms I can see that guy in a Clint Eastwood Western.

[Goodburbon]

The defense is concentrating on the loss of jobs

Not one democrat is paying attention. As a matter of fact, the only people paying any attention all day are in the gallery.

[Rucker61]

The defense is concentrating on the loss of jobs

Not one democrat is paying attention. As a matter of fact, the only people paying any attention all day are in the gallery.

Figures. We need the camera on them, not just the Republicans.

[Goodburbon]

So if all these pass, I see this in my future: My boss tells me to go to Asia for my quarterly business trip. As I have (say) 10 guns in my safe, and my wife will need access to those guns to protect our family, we will need to transfer them. Since I'm fully expecting to retain ownership of those guns, I can't bona fide gift those to her. We have to go to an FFL, with all my guns, and transfer them, at 10 x ($10+new fee), say a total of $30 initially, leaving them with the FFL until the BGC is approved. Now, I'm not going to return in three days, so she will breaking the law by not returning my guns to me in 72 hours and loses her right to possess firearms. And if any of those guns use magazines with greater than 15 capacity, I can't transfer those to her, so she is less safe than she would be if she had full access to a working AR. Let's say she gets a currently non-existent extension, upon my return we do the same thing all over again, paying another $30 to the FFL for the pure purpose of retaining my Constitutionally protected rights. What's not to like?


I have upwards of 40...I am out of town more often than home. Do the math on that.

[Goodburbon]

Figures. We need the camera on them, not just the Republicans.

I'll post a picture when I get home.

[neversummer900]

How is that not considered dereliction of duty as a senator?
The defense is concentrating on the loss of jobs

Not one democrat is paying attention. As a matter of fact, the only people paying any attention all day are in the gallery.

[TFOGGER]

I must go home and drink now...

[Goodburbon]

It is just so painfully obvious that it is all a sham. There is no debate, its just the dems allowing the repubs to blow off steam and bloviate for a few hours on each bill before just passing them anyway.

[Punkface]

I've been at work all day. I'm assuming everything discussed has passed? Anything ammended?

[Fmedges]

It is just so painfully obvious that it is all a sham. There is no debate, its just the dems allowing the repubs to blow off steam and bloviate for a few hours on each bill before just passing them anyway.


Yep

[Goodburbon]

How is that not considered dereliction of duty as a senator?

That is what I told the usher. High capacity I pads should be banned in the senate.

[Goodburbon]

I've been at work all day. I'm assuming everything discussed has passed? Anything ammended?

Yes. Military can leave guns wish their parents when they deploy without bg check.

[Goodburbon]

Shotgun tube mags can be up to 28" in lenght

[Jer]

Ammending mag bill to eliminate serial numbers. Trying to appease Magpul. No one tell them it isn&#39;t illegal to deface magazines.

I really wish people would stop posting shit like this on PUBLIC internet forums. People though they were clever pointing out that mags didn't have dates and I kept telling people not to discuss what makes the bull unenforceable and focus on getting them killed before they become laws that just need some tweaking. Now look, amendment to require dates before it even is voted on in the Senate. Keep it up and they'll amend it to criminalize the modification of magazines just like firearm serial numbers before it becomes law too.

[lowbeyond]

blah, unless you are planning to comply all the way down to making your AR a single shot like some in NY are, who cares.

[blacklabel]

Lundberg pointing out that the ban would ban virtually all magazines as they can be converted to accept more than 15 rounds.

[Jer]

I've been at work all day. I'm assuming everything discussed has passed? Anything ammended?

Yep, see my previous post about the amendment added to the magazine bill requiring all mags sold within Colorado to have dates plus they can't have the ability to be converted to something larger than a 15rd magazine. You can't 'Lego' them together or anything as the amendment stated.

Those two alone will pretty much ban all magazines from Colorado as nobody who manufacturers will change to meet those demands.

[merl]

Yep, see my previous post about the amendment added to the magazine bill requiring all mags sold within Colorado to have dates plus they can't have the ability to be converted to something larger than a 15rd magazine. You can't 'Lego' them together or anything as the amendment stated.

Those two alone will pretty much ban all magazines from Colorado as nobody who manufacturers will change to meet those demands.

put it in then. something like that would make it easier to overturn

[Cylinder Head]

Yep, see my previous post about the amendment added to the magazine bill requiring all mags sold within Colorado to have dates plus they can't have the ability to be converted to something larger than a 15rd magazine. You can't 'Lego' them together or anything as the amendment stated.

Those two alone will pretty much ban all magazines from Colorado as nobody who manufacturers will change to meet those demands.

Then it passes and we take it to SCOTUS as a de-facto ban on guns.

[UnoTaco]

Yay! Someone actually got "standard capcity" correct!

[Clint45]

put it in then. something like that would make it easier to overturn

Do you have ANY IDEA how difficult it is to overturn a law? About 10X harder than passing one.

[merl]

Do you have ANY IDEA how difficult it is to overturn a law? About 10X harder than passing one.

easier, not easy.