Tom Tancredo to Run for Colorado Governor

[Aloha_Shooter]

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

[wrestler034]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

No one was "talking down" to anyone. If the republican party will not back off on abortion and same sex marriage, among others, we will continue to see the map turn blue. But as expected once religion was brought up we made it two posts before the name calling started... so I'm out.

[Hound]

That is because they all share in a couple of greater goals and they'll set aside their own personal goals to advance the greater goals of their party. These people are collectivists, they run with the herd and they like the power that being in a singular group gives them. These people aren't individuals and they don't do anything without approval from their leaders.

This strikes me as funny.... It is exactly what was being said about Republicans in 2004. You know... Where to get political postings you had to swear allegiance to the party? The D's have not gone that far but again... Both parties have lost their way...power corupting and all. Lots of stones and glass on this thread.

[Bailey Guns]

Y'know, idiots keep saying that despite the fact that the biggest complaint against Romney was that he wasn't conservative enough, that he was another Massachusetts liberal. Republicans stomped all over the Missouri moron who pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. Please cite one aspect of the Republican Party plank that was religion-based or seriously pushed social conservatism.

We're in trouble until people realize the Marxists are the enemy and are able to unite instead of talking down at social conservatives -- the country's decline maps quite neatly to the growth of social liberalism (of course, it also maps quite neatly to available horsepower, available firepower and a bunch of other unrelated factors).

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

[losttrail]

This is the problem. And the fact that so-called "conservatives" buy into the media driven hyperbole that republican candidates are "anti-women's health care" (against abortion) and other such nonsense.

In case some of you who are calling for republicans to tone down the "social conservatism" I have two points:

1) Republicans/conservatives ARE socially conservative. That's the whole idea. Very, very few of them actually publicly speak about things like "gay rights" and "women's health care" until it's brought up by the media as a tool to use against them. Most socially conservative republicans believe these issues should be left in the hands of the state and they aren't federal gov't issues. But the leftist media types KNOW the simple-minded can be easily swayed when they label that particular candidate as a right-wing religious nutjob who doesn't care about women, minorities or gays or whomever. And it works. This thread is proof of that.

2) Conservatives need to campaign and govern as conservatives. Look at the feedback...most republicans are blasted for NOT being conservative enough (this has been pointed out several times here). Even on this forum that's the biggest complaint I've seen. Don't believe me? Go back and search for Romney threads. How many times has someone written here that dems and repubs are the same? Reagan seems to be the conservative standard by which others are judged. And he sure as hell preached conservative values while campaigning and during the 8 years he was president and people freakin' adored him...still do.

Well said.

[Dingo]

^^^WHAT BG SAID^^^^

[Zundfolge]

Until the Republican party can leave their religion based, social conservative views alone, we are in trouble...

So what you're saying is that until Republicans start championing infanticide, worshiping Gaia and reject their own deeply held beliefs (particularly on what is and is not acceptable behavior among civilized humans) they're going to continue to lose?

Problems with that are two fold 1) becoming Democrats kind of defeats the purpose of being a Republican to begin with and 2) every time a Republican runs as a rock ribbed, hard right conservative they win in a landslide whereas when they become mushy minded, middle of the road moderates (Romney and McCain are the two latest examples) they die on the vine.

Even the Atheist/agnostic Randians recognize objective reality (what with calling their philosophy "Objectivism" and all).

The truth is that until Republicans return to their Constitutionalist AND social conservative roots they're going to continue to lose.

[Bailey Guns]

^^ Why does it always sound better when you say it?

[RiderGeek]

So what you're saying is that until Republicans start championing infanticide, worshiping Gaia and reject their own deeply held beliefs (particularly on what is and is not acceptable behavior among civilized humans) they're going to continue to lose?

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.

[bellavite1]

No... This right here is an example of the reason Republicans will continue to loose their base. Unnecessarily taking the conversation to the highest extreme possible, that is.
Recognizing the rights of a woman to own her body isn't championing infanticide, respecting the desire of two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract / social union (even if you don't agree with their lifestyle) isn't waving the banner for homosexuality, and being open people with different beliefs doesn't mean you yourself are rejecting your own deeply held beliefs.

Mark my words: the upcoming generation will be known as the generation of skeptics. The age of information has bombarded them from birth with a continuous stream of half-truths and illogical inconsistency, and just to keep their brains from imploding, they will have to develop finely tuned bullshit detectors. The conservative movement / Republican Party will either adapt and evolve (and that certianly doesn't mean becoming Democrats, Socialists or Communists), or they will go the way of the whigs and other once-significant parties.

If you agree 100% with what your political party preaches you are either very lucky or forcing yourself to.
It is what I deal with most times in political discussions: how can you be a Satanist AND a Republican?
Well, although I disagree with several views of the GOP, self determinism and personal responsibility are to me much more important than what God you choose to believe in.
As with anything else in life, it is about taking the parts that fit your own beliefs and are most important to you and ignoring the other ones.