DOMA/Prop 8 decisions

[davsel]

And while I'm at it:

Do your morals, that I assume come from some divine instruction, include the right to control and rule over any man other than yourself? Yeah, mileage will vary for those of us that can extend the freedoms we believe in for ourselves to others... Not matter how much we disagree with them.

Yes, they do, and no, they don't.

I have never attempted to restrict anyone, homosexual or otherwise, from being free to marry a consenting member of the opposite sex - a freedom I believe in for myself.

[davsel]

Jhood001 your next beer is on me.

For davesel, who believes that liberty is everyone believing what he thinks is correct (which is absolutely no different from utter oppression).

lib·er·ty

/ˈlibərtē/
Noun

1. The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.

Another one attempting to put words in my mouth.

mor·al

/ˈmôrəl/

Adjective
Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Noun
A lesson, esp. one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.

Synonyms
adjective. ethical - ethic - virtuous
noun. morality - morals - ethics - morale - lesson



Please direct me to the post where I stated anything along the line of wanting to impose my beliefs on anyone else. I have mine, you have yours, we disagree, I'm OK with that.

What you would prefer I do is either adopt your morals or keep my mouth shut. Not gonna happen - on either front.

[Madeinhb]

OK, I'll spell it out for the non-critical thinkers.

It does not matter the cause of the depression or substance abuse; whether it be from non-acceptance by society, guilt, or just plain hating their life. The fact remains that homosexuals, per-capita, suffer from these mental instabilities to a greater degree than normal people.

Depression is a feeling. Only when it becomes a clinical depression is it considered a mental disorder. Everyone feels depression in their lives at some point. So to say that gays have mental disorders because of depression can be misleading and inaccurate.

[Madeinhb]

The sooner you accept the facts, the quicker we may get this country back on the right track. However, I'm afraid it is sadly too late. History repeats itself. Welcome to Sodom, Gomorrah, Egypt, Greece, Rome, America.

Haha this has to be the most narcissistic statement. So only your opinion counts and once we all accept it, this country will be better?

[Ronin13]

To anyone who claims that the gay rights issue is akin to the civil rights fight of the 50's, 60's and 70's... If this offends you, tough...

[Rabid]

To anyone who claims that the gay rights issue is akin to the civil rights fight of the 50's, 60's and 70's... If this offends you, tough...

Well obviously MLK did not get shot for gay rights. To say they are not akin (of similar character) to each other is just plain wrong by definition. Gay rights, civil rights, womans rights and going all the way back to our original fight for our rights, the war of Independence, are akin. If that offends you, i am sorry.

[davsel]

Well obviously MLK did not get shot for gay rights. To say they are not akin (of similar character) to each other is just plain wrong by definition. Gay rights, civil rights, womans rights and going all the way back to our original fight for our rights, the war of Independence, are akin. If that offends you, i am sorry.

Maybe this will help you understand the difference:

From: http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ghts-struggle/

...

This is not to say that gay Americans who wish to have the full benefits of marriage afforded to heterosexual couples don’t face adversity. That’s a major part of the current debate. But it is to say that any hardship they face can’t compare to what black Americans faced 50 or 150 years ago.

There have been instances during the gay-rights movement that arguably could be compared to the black civil rights struggle, like the Stonewall riots of the 1960s or Matthew Shepard murder in 1998. Suicides and other problems related to public attitudes about homosexuality have also unquestionably been a horrible ordeal. Still, with the possible exception of the mistreatment of Native Americans, there has been nothing quite like the systematic exploitation and institutional degradation experienced by earlier black Americans.

My purpose here is not to belittle the fight for gay marriage, only to note that those who keep attempting to draw a reasonable comparison to the struggle of African-Americans are in many ways belittling the black experience in the United States.

[Madeinhb]

I agree with that. Gays deal with their own issues. But they are no where equal to the same as blacks.

[Rooskibar03]

Civil rights is the lefts term for what we call The Bill of Rights. Its two sides of the same coin.

I personally don't believe I gay marriage but I also don't think government avoid have any hand marriage.

[generalmeow]

An argument I've heard often is that it doesn't affect me in any way, so I shouldn't worry about it. Why do I care?

I saw a great response from someone. "Dog fighting doesn't affect me in any way either, but it's not legal for moral reasons."

In truth, I don't care at all, except virtually all gays are liberal, and I am in favor of people standing in the way of liberals getting anything they want, up to and including oxygen.