ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

[sniper7]

Hey, it wasn't my quote. I just copied & pasted.

Its just sarcasm! I'm not above it myself especially posting from a phone or ipad

[mtnhack]

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... I don't think Zimmerman did anything I'd consider aggressive or confrontational but was tragically forced to take the life of young man who chose to escalate the situation to violence with an armed man. Could he have walked away? Certainly. Should he? We disagree. We'll never know what really happened but then that's not what this trial is about.

We don't know what really happened- either way.

Maybe G.Z. jumped on him thinking, "I'm gonna fuck this n-bomb up! I know he's a fuckin punk gonna break into our houses and steal our shit."

Or Maybe Martin said to his girlfriend (on the phone at the time), " Hang on baby, I gotta fuck up this little old fucker who's been following me, teach this little bitch a lesson!"

My guess it is somewhere closer to the latter. TM starts to run, Zimmerman follows and Martin turns on him and the fight. However, if he would have listened to the dispatch, he wouldn't be in this shit, period. This was not imminent danger that needed his immediate intervention. Let the police do what they are paid for.

[battle_sight_zero]

Some apparent damming testimony that does not benefit the prosecution http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28...for-second-day

This witness is alot more credible than that Ving Rhames in drag looking girl yesterday.

[cofi]

Yup current witness says zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help

[Whistler]

Originally Posted by Whistler ...


... I don't think Zimmerman did anything I'd consider aggressive or confrontational but was tragically forced to take the life of young man who chose to escalate the situation to violence with an armed man. Could he have walked away? Certainly. Should he? We disagree. We'll never know what really happened but then that's not what this trial is about.

We don't know what really happened- either way.

Maybe G.Z. jumped on him thinking, "I'm gonna fuck this n-bomb up! I know he's a fuckin punk gonna break into our houses and steal our shit."

Or Maybe Martin said to his girlfriend (on the phone at the time), " Hang on baby, I gotta fuck up this little old fucker who's been following me, teach this little bitch a lesson!"

My guess it is somewhere closer to the latter. TM starts to run, Zimmerman follows and Martin turns on him and the fight. However, if he would have listened to the dispatch, he wouldn't be in this shit, period. This was not imminent danger that needed his immediate intervention. Let the police do what they are paid for.

Yup we'll never know and you're right, had he just gone home he "wouldn't be in this shit". We can disagree on the rest.

[battle_sight_zero]

My guess it is somewhere closer to the latter. TM starts to run, Zimmerman follows and Martin turns on him and the fight. However, if he would have listened to the dispatch, he wouldn't be in this shit, period. This was not imminent danger that needed his immediate intervention. Let the police do what they are paid for.[/QUOTE]

Mr. ZIMMERMAN has stated he was walking back to his car when he was attacked. As I said in an earlier post Zimmerman in my thoughts was being vigilant. Many of us are vigilant, sure we are not involved in defensive situations. Heck when I was in the service I was attacked and stabbed by three middle eastern men for no reason other than being American right out of the blue. My point you never know when aggressive behavior will arise, and that is why I CC. Not going to judge Zimmerman for caring for his neighborhood.

[tmckay2]

i don't think george got out with any bad intent, and don't think he chest thumping, i said thats what people here do a lot in their bad ass stories of how they almost messed a guy up. but when you carry, you have to remember you are carrying and be extra careful of the situations you put yourself in, even if they are with good intentions. carrying is a big responsibility, for one it means small time confrontations can quickly be turned into serious ones. i don't think george did anything criminal, but i think he acted stupidly and didn't think things through, and is now paying the price, fair or not.

Don't believe I said anything like confrontation but my point is/was carrying (or not) doesn't change my behavior or what I perceive as right. That was originally addressed at the quote below which I took to be your take on the interaction. I presented a different perspective in which both parties were reasonable and rational while conceding it doesn't always go that way but disagree with you that the interaction should have been avoided at all simply because he happened to be carrying. In this case it went south because as you say Trayvon was a punk but I still don't agree you should avoid the interaction (it's not described as a confrontation and believe it was escalated into one by Trayvon) simply because you happen to be carrying (or not) if you feel it's the "right" thing to do. I took the quote below to mean you believe he only initiated that interaction because he was carrying - "chest thumping" or trying to be a bad ass. You also expressed the opinion he should be punished for what I perceive as being a good neighbor by trying to determine what a person he considered suspicious was actually up to. It ended poorly, sometimes it does but I don't think that was ever his intention and hindsight is 20/20. I don't agree it should serve as a lesson to change your behavior and walk on eggshells if you happen to be carrying the same as I don't think you should change your behavior and walk around with a chip on your shoulder starting crap with everyone you meet because you happen to be carrying. My decision to strike up a conversation or watch someone I deem suspicious has nothing to do with whether or not I am carrying, I just feel it's something I should do to help look out for my neighbors. You obviously feel differently and that is the point of discussion. It's my opinion he likely would have done the same things had he not been carrying and perhaps it would have ended differently but we can agree that we ultimately must take responsibility for our personal choices. I hope that my choices never result in my having to take a life, I hope that your choices never result in another losing theirs.

To your point about him not doing anything wrong, "suspicious" doesn't mean they have to be doing anything wrong but out of place for the circumstance. He was suspicious because the neighborhood had been recently burglarized by young black men. Trayvon was a young black man, unknown to George (who as Neighborhood Watch captain should be mostly familiar with the residents) and concealing his face with a hoodie. Had it been a child as Trayvon was portrayed or a middle-aged fat white guy I don't think he'd have given it a second thought but that is just my opinion. I don't think Zimmerman did anything I'd consider aggressive or confrontational but was tragically forced to take the life of young man who chose to escalate the situation to violence with an armed man. Could he have walked away? Certainly. Should he? We disagree. We'll never know what really happened but then that's not what this trial is about.

[mtnhack]

Mr. ZIMMERMAN has stated he was walking back to his car when he was attacked. As I said in an earlier post Zimmerman in my thoughts was being vigilant. Many of us are vigilant, sure we are not involved in defensive situations. Heck when I was in the service I was attacked and stabbed by three middle eastern men for no reason other than being American right out of the blue. My point you never know when aggressive behavior will arise, and that is why I CC. Not going to judge Zimmerman for caring for his neighborhood.

The only reason I would question that statement from Zimmerman would be because the timeline I saw had Martin on the phone during the same minute that a witness called 911 about a fight.

[battle_sight_zero]

The only reason I would question that statement from Zimmerman would be because the timeline I saw had Martin on the phone during the same minute that a witness called 911 about a fight.

As I posted that 911 caller/ witness on the stand this morning was the one I just posted. The Ving Rhames looking girl who was on the witness stand blew her credibility on what was really being said or taking place while she was talking to Treyvon. Regardless of what she says one cant believe her because she is not credible. Perhaps I am being a Cracker or something and being judgemental but this case should not have gone to trial.


Yes CC is a huge responsibility, but if I feel I am fear of immediate death or serious bodily harm from someone then I will use my pistol as my.last resort. However if you are pummeled and beaten in surprise you dont have time to avoid trouble. If I am walking down the street and see two guys possibly casing my neighborhood I will retreat to someplace that I feel is relatively safe that I can observe and keep the police updated on information. Done it many times and I have never got into trouble. I am certainly not going to retreat and not do anything. If a bad guy attacks me on my retreat and I feel the CC is the only option then so be it. Based on what have heard George was in retreat when he was attacked. I don't believe he was looking to shoot anyone. He was getting is ass kicked and he shot Trayvon in self defense. Bring vigilant does not make you a cop wanna be as he is being protrayed. Most of the guys on this forum are of the vigilant nature,(at least I persume that) and are not looking for trouble, but if they see it happening I am sure they would report it as Zimmerman felt he should do.

[Ronin13]

bold statement - correct. otherwise you roll the dice. if youd like to that its a free country, just don't be surprised when you end up like zimmerman, or like my buddy who did time for his bar fight incident.

the point of the neighborhood watch is to alert police to suspicious activity, not engage a suspicious person. if you actively see someone break into a house or assault someone its a bit different. no point in approaching someone walking down the street. what do you expect to gain from that? you think they are going to say, "well yes sir, i was about to rob a place, thanks for stopping me?" either the person is up to no good and therefore is going to cause you some trouble you don't want, or they are simply walking down the street. either way, approaching them and talking to them won't necessarily tell you anything, but it may get you in trouble. watch from a very safe distance until the police arrive.

According to Zimmerman- and the story the defense is presenting- Zimmerman never engaged TM, he simply observed and reported, and again, if you listen to his side of the story (and I'll repeat once more- I have no reason to not believe him) he stopped following after he reached his road, expecting to meet PD. Of course we have no positive idea what actually happened, but if Zimmerman is being truthful (it would be advised at this point), then it's pretty plain that TM got violent, regardless of if GZ provoked him or not. Bottom line- had TM not hit GZ he would probably still be alive. The rest is just immaterial really.

We don't know what really happened- either way.

Maybe G.Z. jumped on him thinking, "I'm gonna fuck this n-bomb up! I know he's a fuckin punk gonna break into our houses and steal our shit."

Or Maybe Martin said to his girlfriend (on the phone at the time), " Hang on baby, I gotta fuck up this little old fucker who's been following me, teach this little bitch a lesson!"

My guess it is somewhere closer to the latter. TM starts to run, Zimmerman follows and Martin turns on him and the fight. However, if he would have listened to the dispatch, he wouldn't be in this shit, period. This was not imminent danger that needed his immediate intervention. Let the police do what they are paid for.

What legal obligation do you have to follow the instructions of a 911 dispatcher potentially miles away from your situation? Last time I checked their instruction is not "a lawful order" like that of a sworn police officer.