DOMA/Prop 8 decisions

[Madeinhb]

There are so many hypocrites on this site, it isn't even funny.... You get all fussy when a lib says anything bad about your "rights", but then you have the nerve to get all offended by what others are doing, that does you no harm... You should feel ashamed. If you say it is your religious belief, your religious belief says that you should not be the one to judge... Or, do you pick and choose what rules to live by? Now, I'm not in favor of this, but I'm not against it either... This shit is exactly that. However, I don't want people saying that because my guns scare them, or are against their beliefs, that I shouldn't be able to have them. Most, if not all of us on this site share in that last statement, but I seem to see a lot of people that want to trample on others beliefs because of their "feelings". That's plain and simple bullshit. Pull you damn heads out of your asses, or stop bitching about all of the crap that the dems and libs are trying to pull. You guys sound like liberals, plain and simple, and are treating others, like they treat us (liberals to gun owners). Get over it.

Ummm you missed the boat. I'm like you. Not for or against. I'm neutral on gay marriage. But there is a big difference. Liberals want to take away rights given to us. Marriage is not a right written in constitution, bill of rights, etc. hence the moral debate.

I still pose my question: if people say this doesn't affect you, then why does it matter? Dog fighting doesn't affect you, child marriages don't affect you, polygamy, etc. the list goes on. But people say those are morally wrong. Both libs and cons say that. So for gay marriage people can't say they believe its morally wrong?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

There are so many hypocrites on this site, it isn't even funny.... You get all fussy when a lib says anything bad about your "rights", but then you have the nerve to get all offended by what others are doing, that does you no harm... You should feel ashamed. If you say it is your religious belief, your religious belief says that you should not be the one to judge... Or, do you pick and choose what rules to live by? Now, I'm not in favor of this, but I'm not against it either... This shit is exactly that. However, I don't want people saying that because my guns scare them, or are against their beliefs, that I shouldn't be able to have them. Most, if not all of us on this site share in that last statement, but I seem to see a lot of people that want to trample on others beliefs because of their "feelings". That's plain and simple bullshit. Pull you damn heads out of your asses, or stop bitching about all of the crap that the dems and libs are trying to pull. You guys sound like liberals, plain and simple, and are treating others, like they treat us (liberals to gun owners). Get over it.

This.

The only thing I can is - life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Remember hearing that once? Because it makes someone(including me) squeamish to see dudes kiss doesn't mean they don't deserve liberty.

Also for the Christians check out mathew 7:5.

Mic drop.

im out.

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This.

The only thing I can is - life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Remember hearing that once? Because it makes someone(including me) squeamish to see dudes kiss doesn't mean they don't deserve liberty.

Also for the Christians check out mathew 7:5.

Mic drop.

im out.

I have to say, that taking liberties with the Bible to justify any kind of sexual deviancy is beyond offensive. I see this a lot lately--must be a Liberal talking point to use against Christians on the gay issue.

Galatians 1:9

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


There seems to be a lot of confusion lately between Liberty and hedonism. This is part of the Liberal poison that plagues our nation.

At any rate, we are no longer compatible as a nation, and perhaps not even as "Liberty loving Conservatives." The day may come when you have to pick a camp AND LIVE IN THAT CAMP. Choose wisely!

[Rabid]

Ummm you missed the boat. I'm like you. Not for or against. I'm neutral on gay marriage. But there is a big difference. Liberals want to take away rights given to us. Marriage is not a right written in constitution, bill of rights, etc. hence the moral debate.

I still pose my question: if people say this doesn't affect you, then why does it matter? Dog fighting doesn't affect you, child marriages don't affect you, polygamy, etc. the list goes on. But people say those are morally wrong. Both libs and cons say that. So for gay marriage people can't say they believe its morally wrong?

What boat did he miss? They are fighting for the right to be equal and yes that is a right. Once that issue is off the table they very well may vote with the conservatives, i know a few that are business owners and have the same economic views as i do. Do not make this a political battle. It is quite small mined to think of it that way.

Gay marriage, Two consenting adults whose actions hurt nobody. Dog fighting, two consenting adults that force an animal that can not think or help them self's, into danger. Child marriage, like dog fighting it is two consenting adults that force two children that can not fight for or help them self's into a bad situation. Polygamy, if you want to put your self through that hell go for it! I am almost positive they were anti Mormon laws in the first place. Dog fighting and child marriage are not moral issues. They hurt someone or something that can not think or help them self's.

It is amazing how hard wired it is in most of us to dislike or be disgusted by the action of gays. That is not a bad thing because we are hard wired to procreate. However i can not discriminate against them because of this. No one is getting hurt by their actions, only an un-easy feeling. How can we as a people whom live under the Constitution and the bill of rights treat anyone that is doing no harm to those around them any less equality?

[Rabid]

I have to say, that taking liberties with the Bible to justify any kind of sexual deviancy is beyond offensive. I see this a lot lately--must be a Liberal talking point to use against Christians on the gay issue.

Galatians 1:9

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


There seems to be a lot of confusion lately between Liberty and hedonism. This is part of the Liberal poison that plagues our nation.

At any rate, we are no longer compatible as a nation, and perhaps not even as "Liberty loving Conservatives." The day may come when you have to pick a camp AND LIVE IN THAT CAMP. Choose wisely!

I will live in the liberty camp, it worked very well getting us to this point.

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I will live in the liberty camp, it worked very well getting us to this point.

Keep telling yourself that. The people you think love Liberty, to further the cause of sexual deviancy, will put you in a box and end your life.

[Rabid]

Keep telling yourself that. The people you think love Liberty, to further the cause of sexual deviancy, will put you in a box and end your life.

Thanks i needed a good laugh this morning.

[Madeinhb]

What boat did he miss? They are fighting for the right to be equal and yes that is a right. Once that issue is off the table they very well may vote with the conservatives, i know a few that are business owners and have the same economic views as i do. Do not make this a political battle. It is quite small mined to think of it that way.

Gay marriage, Two consenting adults whose actions hurt nobody. Dog fighting, two consenting adults that force an animal that can not think or help them self's, into danger. Child marriage, like dog fighting it is two consenting adults that force two children that can not fight for or help them self's into a bad situation. Polygamy, if you want to put your self through that hell go for it! I am almost positive they were anti Mormon laws in the first place. Dog fighting and child marriage are not moral issues. They hurt someone or something that can not think or help them self's.

It is amazing how hard wired it is in most of us to dislike or be disgusted by the action of gays. That is not a bad thing because we are hard wired to procreate. However i can not discriminate against them because of this. No one is getting hurt by their actions, only an un-easy feeling. How can we as a people whom live under the Constitution and the bill of rights treat anyone that is doing no harm to those around them any less equality?

My point being is that marriage is not gaurenteed right in the constitution. So therefor it falls under the 10th amendment. Take California, the people against gay marriage. The most Liberal state in America voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage. But a few law makers didnt like that so they over turned it.

I'm not saying gays and whoever for that matter shouldn't have the same rights. People are fighting over the word marriage and what their definition is. For some is a commitment between 2 loving people. For others, it's religious. Hence why I have said in the eyes of the government everyone should be civil unions. Same rights. Leave the word marriage for religious institutions which it has been for centuries.

[Madeinhb]

[QUOTE=Rabid;1205407]What boat did he miss? They are fighting for the right to be equal and yes that is a right. Once that issue is off the table they very well may vote with the conservatives, i know a few that are business owners and have the same economic views as i do. Do not make this a political battle. It is quite small mined to think of it that way.[QUOTE]

And government has said that a civil union can be and would have all the same aspects as marriage. The fight is over a damn word. Not equality.

[Madeinhb]

What boat did he miss? They are fighting for the right to be equal and yes that is a right. Once that issue is off the table they very well may vote with the conservatives, i know a few that are business owners and have the same economic views as i do. Do not make this a political battle. It is quite small mined to think of it that way.

Gay marriage, Two consenting adults whose actions hurt nobody. Dog fighting, two consenting adults that force an animal that can not think or help them self's, into danger. Child marriage, like dog fighting it is two consenting adults that force two children that can not fight for or help them self's into a bad situation. Polygamy, if you want to put your self through that hell go for it! I am almost positive they were anti Mormon laws in the first place. Dog fighting and child marriage are not moral issues. They hurt someone or something that can not think or help them self's.

It is amazing how hard wired it is in most of us to dislike or be disgusted by the action of gays. That is not a bad thing because we are hard wired to procreate. However i can not discriminate against them because of this. No one is getting hurt by their actions, only an un-easy feeling. How can we as a people whom live under the Constitution and the bill of rights treat anyone that is doing no harm to those around them any less equality?

And I guess this is ok also. http://standupforthetruth.com/2013/0...-presentation/