Quote Originally Posted by Bongo Boy View Post
I also agree...it's just dumb, and it shortchanges folks by given them a dangerously false sense of security. Not to mention they're a danger to themselves and everyone around them. You don't learn how to avoid accidents, hit your target (and nothing else) by chatting about it in a classroom.

Makes you wonder how many CCW people carry a weapon yet can't get the gun out of the holster (and recover to the holster) without an accidental discharge, or how many could clear a jam at all, let alone in a hurry.
I'll ask again though I know any answer will be based on "feelings" rather than fact...much like the post above. What evidence do you have that permit holders, regardless of their level of training, are: (1) A danger to themselves and everyone around them, (2) can't get their gun out of the holster without an AD (I prefer the term "negligent discharge"), or (3) will ever have the need to clear a "jam"?

And, seriously, who are you to decide whether someone's sense of security is false?

Why don't you guys show some proof that backs up your fears of these dangerous people running around putting others at risk with their guns? I guarantee for every example of a minimally trained permit holder negligently causing harm to someone I can show you two examples of a "highly trained" person negligently causing harm to someone.

Why not try looking at the facts? Start by looking at stats from states that issue permits in an effort to find out how often permits are revoked for circumstances involving negligence. I can tell you because I've looked...it's pretty hard to find and the numbers don't support your misguided fears.

I certainly hope some of you guys are never placed in positions responsible for "allowing" me to exercise my 2A rights and my right to defend myself and my family.

It's kinda sad, really, to see this sort of sentiment on a "pro gun" forum.