Ft Hood shooting going on.

[Pancho Villa]

I missed it, what did the General say?

[Bailey Guns]

Sorry...when he said the shooter was alive...not dead as has been reported all day. He's been in CID custody in the hospital since he was shot earlier today.

[SA Friday]

Wife called me while I was on campus to tell me this was going on. I called it as a single shooter right off the bat. The other's they detained (not arrested) were probably to ensure it was a single shooter incident. I highly doubt this is terrorist related. More than likely, his religious beliefs played into his psychological break, but as to how only the investigation can uncover.

Blaming the Islam faith for this incident is way premature. I suspect when it's all said and done, the shooter's religion (although a psychological factor for the shooter) is incidental to his actions. I saw something similar while in OSI when Buttons flew off in an A-10 with live munitions on it. He was disturbed, conflicted, and never overtly related his turmoil to anyone. He never asked for help. It boiled over into him flying the A-10 into the side of a mountain up in Eagle County.

We also saw this back in June 1994 at Fairchild AFB, WA when Dean Mellburg took an MAK-90 into the Psychologist wing of the hospital there and shot up the place. Dean was a severly disgruntled young man who was being discharged for psychological problems.

There have been a few incidents of Soldiers attacking other soldiers because of their Islamic beliefs, but this one doesn't fit those incident's MOs.

That's what I see so far. I've been wrong before, and the investigation will root this out. I just think it's way too early to bring in the shooter's religious beliefs at this point as the motivator for the shootings. At this point, it's just something the media can sell.

[SA Friday]

Sorry...when he said the shooter was alive...not dead as has been reported all day. He's been in CID custody in the hospital since he was shot earlier today.

Ya, I'm thinking pre-trial confinement is a foregone conclusion at this point...

[robsterclaw]

This kind of shit makes me sick. Seems he didn't like the fact he was going to be deployed. Why'd he join the Army then? Second, why don't these fuckers just shoot themselves? Make a public spectacle of it for all I care. Get in front of cameras some way and blow your damn head off. Don't take others out.

2 things though different about this shooting then others. He didn't use an assault weapon, and he was military. Don't see how the libs can use this for their agenda. Can't call for a ban. Can't say we need to take guns out of the hands of people like him. Gonna takes guns away from the military?

Something has always struck me as weird. When I'm on FT Carson, generally the only people I see with guns are guards checking ID's at the gate and the occasionally MP. But when I'm on Pete Field, they have people walking around with loaded M16's. And a girl at one of the FT Carson shoppettes told me they have to check their guns at the armory. She was going to join me (us) on one of the club shoots, and said she'd have to get her guns from the Armory first.

[Bailey Guns]

I just read that Hasan used an FN FiveSeven 5.7mm caliber pistol in the shootings. A pretty unusual choice, I'd think. The Army is also saying he was carrying another pistol but didn't fire it.

I know what these pistols are and I'm vaguely familiar with the caliber. Does anyone know if it will penetrate a vest? I think it probably would out of one of the FN carbines, but I don't know about being fired from a handgun.

First time I've heard of a 5.7 being used in a crime.

Very sad and disturbing but interesting, too.

[Irving]

That is interesting. I know that there is a lot of speculation online about if the 5.7 will penetrate a soft vest. I think a lot of people think that it can. If he shot 38 people, doesn't that mean that he had at least four mags, and probably more assuming that every shot fired didn't hit someone. Crazy.

[Bailey Guns]

I think standard capacity for that gun is 20 rounds per magazine. I haven't heard exactly how many magazines he had or how many rounds he fired.

I've heard there may have been some friendly fire issues. His use of a 5.7 should make that part of the investigation a lot easier. At least from a technical standpoint. I doubt anything about it will really be easy.

[Bailey Guns]

Here we go...the sensationalism starts re: the 5.7mm pistol he used. That didn't take long:

AP Sources: 5.7 mm pistol used in Fort Hood rampage was purchased legally at Texas gun store

DEVLIN BARRETT, LARA JAKES Associated Press Writers
3:28 PM CST, November 6, 2009


WASHINGTON (AP) — A 5.7-millimeter pistol used in the Fort Hood shooting was purchased legally by suspect Nidal Hasan at a Texas gun shop, law enforcement officials said Friday.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Records indicate Hasan bought the FN 5.7 at store called "Guns Galore" in Killeen, Texas, well before the attack that left 13 people dead, one of the officials said. The pistol has been dubbed a "cop killer" by those who have tried to stop its use.

The most powerful type of ammunition for the gun is available only to law enforcement and military personnel. Gun control advocates call it a "cop killer" weapon because that ammo can pierce bulletproof vests, and its use by Mexican drug cartels worries police.

It is not clear what kind of ammunition was used in the Fort Hood attack. One official said the store records do not indicate Hasan purchased any ammo when he bought the gun.

[Bailey Guns]

My prediction: If you've ever wanted an FN 5.7, get it now.