Co Dem introduces a bill defending 2nd amendment rights.

[clublights]

Polis is in the Congress and I support this bill to restore second amendment rights to medical marijuana users. The fed prohibition against pot along with Colorado law does not allow my wife to even touch a gun, let alone own one. If a person illegally entered our home intent on doing harm and I was not there, if she uses one of my guns to defend herself and our daughter she could be prosecuted under these regulations and laws for simply exercising her natural and constitutional rights. It is ridiculous. Hey, you don't like pot, well good for you. I don't care to use it either. However, it is effective in helping my wife to have some quality of life and not be strung out on man made and extremely costly narcotics. I've seen her on the prescribed drugs for pain and her other symptoms, she can't function on them. With a few hits on a joint each day she is able to do things like cook, take a shower and help me with the shopping, all manner of activities and stuff I imagine some of you would take for granted. For her it is not about getting stoned, it is for relief of pain and quality of life. And believe it or not, pot costs me less than the med's that she no longer has to take EVERY DAY.

I hope and pray that you all never have to cope with what she copes with every hour of the day. This is a good piece of legislation and I support it.

Folks like you are the problem with the way MMJ has been treated. There IS A real need for it your wife is an example. The problem is that MMJ is a fucking joke 2/3r's of the potheads I know have a " red card" and all of them are for bullshit reasons.

If it had been used correctly by doctors few here would not agree with this law.


I'm a toss up on it. Should medications be a reason to restrict gun rights? I mean look at all these mass shooters they all seem to be on some sort of pills. Should gun rights be taken away from them ? Aurora may not have happened if it were like that .. same with Arapahoe High if my understanding is right... but then you get in to the whole privacy issue.. and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...

just food for thought.

[Rabid]

Folks like you are the problem with the way MMJ has been treated. There IS A real need for it your wife is an example. The problem is that MMJ is a fucking joke 2/3r's of the potheads I know have a " red card" and all of them are for bullshit reasons.

If it had been used correctly by doctors few here would not agree with this law.


I'm a toss up on it. Should medications be a reason to restrict gun rights? I mean look at all these mass shooters they all seem to be on some sort of pills. Should gun rights be taken away from them ? Aurora may not have happened if it were like that .. same with Arapahoe High if my understanding is right... but then you get in to the whole privacy issue.. and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...

just food for thought.

How many people are on medications that any of the shooters were on and do not go on a shooting rampage? Chances are its below a tenth of a percent that go bat shit crazy.
Next time you take an Advil let us know so we can gather up your guns, just to be on the safe side.

As discussed in the other thread Polis is also cosponsoring another bill that does nothing but hurt your 2A rights https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565/text

[clublights]

How many people are on medications that any of the shooters were on and do not go on a shooting rampage? Chances are its below a tenth of a percent that go bat shit crazy.
Next time you take an Advil let us know so we can gather up your guns, just to be on the safe side.

As discussed in the other thread Polis is also cosponsoring another bill that does nothing but hurt your 2A rights https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565/text

uhhh read the post I made that you quoted LOL ...

and the fact many take those same pills and never hurt anyone...

[Rabid]

uhhh read the post I made that you quoted LOL ...

I did. Does it change the fact you even think about taking away peoples rights?

[clublights]

I did. Does it change the fact you even think about taking away peoples rights?

Think about taking them away from a limited amount of time while they are on the drugs. just like you can't buy a gun while on a restraining order... or do you think that is not ok also ?


It's food for thought not a real solution . and like i said .. the problem is many take those and never hurt any one.

but that makes a shit load more sense to me then banning semi auto rifles/"Assault Rifles"/Evil Black Guns from EVERYONE.

[Rabid]

Think about taking them away from a limited amount of time while they are on the drugs. just like you can't buy a gun while on a restraining order... or do you think that is not ok also ?


It's food for thought not a real solution . and like i said .. the problem is many take those and never hurt any one.

but that makes a shit load more sense to me then banning semi auto rifles/"Assault Rifles"/Evil Black Guns from EVERYONE.

I would be willing to bet a gun is are more likely to kill then a person on meds is. If any of these meds were that bad more then half of our population would be dead by now. If i used your logic on this subject a UBC, assault rifle and mag bans would make perfect sense, hell, why not just ban guns entirely. Like you i am freaked out by meds, i was thinking about taking Chantix to help myself quit smoking but hell no the side effects scare me too much to proceeded. However i am not about to condemn a section of society that has been handed out drugs like it was popcorn. I can not take away a persons rights because a minute population does harm when influenced by them. We humans want to blame but we have no proof why we are blaming most of the time. Think of it like this, can you blame Viagra for a boner, yes, but can you blame Wellbutrin for a murder, no. There is no scientific proof it does and i bet it helps more then it hurts. We need to bring mental health to the front lines before anything else in figuring out the problems we face. Does that mean i want the FBI/CBI to know your health records, no. If someone trained can pin point a problem i think it should be looked into before suspending someones rights.

My and everyone else's rights are more important then a minute amount of safety, period.

[clublights]

If i used your logic on this subject a UBC, assault rifle and mag bans would make perfect sense, hell, why not just ban guns entirely.

I disagree as UBC gun/ mag bans effect EVERYONE PERIOD not just a segment of the population.

However i am not about to condemn a section of society that has been handed out drugs like it was popcorn. I can not take away a persons rights because a minute population does harm when influenced by them. We humans want to blame but we have no proof why we are blaming most of the time. Think of it like this, can you blame Viagra for a boner, yes, but can you blame Wellbutrin for a murder, no. There is no scientific proof it does and i bet it helps more then it hurts. We need to bring mental health to the front lines before anything else in figuring out the problems we face. Does that mean i want the FBI/CBI to know your health records, no. If someone trained can pin point a problem i think it should be looked into before suspending someones rights.

I agree with the "handing out like popcorn" and I think this is a LARGE part of the issue. instead of treating these "kids" they just feed them drugs and never really help them just mess up their heads even worse.

I've stated more then once in this conversation that yes they help more then they hurt. ( aka many take them and never hurt anyone)

As you say it's such a fine line between privacy and "need to know" with mental health issues. It's the same with .mil guys not getting PTSD treatment for fear of it jamming up their career in the future / looking weak to others. They need the help but won't get the help out of those fears and I think we will see a carrying over of this to private citizens with the federalization of healthcare. ( Obamacare is step one of this in my opinion) While I'm glad these scum( mass shooters) off themselves on the one hand.. if they would stay alive more often we could study them better and make some progress on prevention thru mental health intervention.. at least that is my thought on it .

I think that if it was brought out more in the national scene that all these guys seem to be on anti-depressants it would move the "conversation" in a better direction ( from gun bans to prevention) and actually push the research harder.

Just think if all the money bloomberg and the anti's spend on trashing the NRA and innocent gun owners was spent on mental health research instead....