A couple of people with guns could of stopped this.

[argv]

They obviously need stricter knife control like the british have.

I don't know about UK, but during the 2008 Olympic games, valid ID is required to buy kitchen knife in Beijing.

[Gman]

However I don't agree with the title "A couple of people with guns could of stopped this". If there's a chance that a couple of civilians in the train station would carry guns then the attackers, who apparently had planned very carefully, wouldn't choose to use knives in the first place.

I think it's a better illustration of the illusion that killings are the fault of "guns". Getting rid of a tool, does not rid the evil that is a part of humankind.

I guess it makes people feel better that they think they are 'doing something' for their safety. It doesn't force them to come to the reality that their expectation of safety in the world that we live in is a false hope and defies natural law.

[rockhound]

However I don't agree with the title "A couple of people with guns could of stopped this". If there's a chance that a couple of civilians in the train station would carry guns then the attackers, who apparently had planned very carefully, wouldn't choose to use knives in the first place.

Gman did you notice his profile???

newb from boulder HMMM. I hate to be the one to harp on stereotypes, but this statement sure seems to fall in line with what we have come to expect from a boulderite. Disclaimer: I may be way off base.......

There are plenty of instances where the shooter, when confronted with security or private individuals who were properly armed with guns, gave themselves up or killed themsleves rather than continue their rampage.

The arapahoe high schooler and the mall shooter in Portland were the latest that come to mind.

this recent thread is of a 7 News story that ran recently about private individuals who defended themselves with their guns.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/126747-...n-Self-Defense

These people were completely unarmed. Does that not also seems to be the SOP of these types of attacks. Whether the perp has a gun or ten ninjas with blades they never attack people who would be able to defend themselves.
The ststement that a few poeple on this train with concealed carry permits or hell even a law abiding citizen with a knife of his own may very well have made a difference.

I am not looking to start a fight, but you are way off base.

[argv]

Gman did you notice his profile???

newb from boulder HMMM. I hate to be the one to harp on stereotypes, but this statement sure seems to fall in line with what we have come to expect from a boulderite. Disclaimer: I may be way off base.......

I merely pointed out that the assumption that the attackers would keep using knives when civilians could be armed was wrong. The place I happen to live at had nothing to do with the validity of my reasoning. And, as to what Gman said, I actually totally agree with it.

There are plenty of instances where the shooter, when confronted with security or private individuals who were properly armed with guns, gave themselves up or killed themsleves rather than continue their rampage.

In this instance, 4 of the attackers were shot dead by an armed police officer. They kept charging at the officer after he had fired two warning shots, with only knives in their hands. So they didn't look like the kind who would give up or kill themselves.

[merl]

what gun is this?

[hatidua]

Meh, not sure about Somalia, but you can't pretend that Rwanda wasn't genocide.

I'm not pretending squat. What I'm saying is that I don't think genocide in a far off land by group A vs group B is worth billions of U.S. dollars and countless lives of American citizens to stop it. Should we sacrifice some of ours to save a bunch of theirs? That's not a bargain you'll ever sell me on.

The world isn't a fair place. Was not, is not, won't be. Sure there have been genocides, and there will continue to be genocides well into the future, humans are animals and will remain so.

If you really want to go help oppressed people in foreign lands, there are a great many flights leaving DIA every single day that will take you there. My mother-in-law returned from Kigali last week and apparently they still need a fair bit of help in Rwanda, I'd suggest you get right on that.

[Lurch]

what gun is this?

Looks like a Type 79