Legalize Concealed Carry for Soldiers on Military Installations

[Dave]

I live in base housing and I have some guns.

Base housing for some reason has different rules about what you can have on hand from barracks and other on base single soldier housing. One of the things that pissed me off to no end when I was in.

[splogan]

Base housing for some reason has different rules about what you can have on hand from barracks and other on base single soldier housing. One of the things that pissed me off to no end when I was in.

Yea, the barracks are crap. Guys in there cant even have knives. I have to register "all" mine with the cops but i can have them. Damned if I cant seem to count all the trees in the forest. I suck at math lol. I safe is tucked away. To be honest not sure how things will go if I pick up all my toys from the respective safe houses. My hour talk with the commander for the 5 I did register here might get very interesting on round 2.

[Ronin13]

Yea, the barracks are crap. Guys in there cant even have knives.

I had my Ka-Bar in my barracks room and no one said a thing about it... come to think of it, not sure anyone knew about it.

[Dave]

I had a steak knife in the barracks in Hawaii and almost got an article 15 for it. They confiscated it and I was forced to use a paring knife to cut food with since I was on BAS due to my job. The paring knife was under the blade length limit of the base barracks SOP. I wasn't even allowed to have the knife issued by my unit for my fight vest in the barracks as it was too long.

[TheBelly]

I'm just guessing here, but he never stated his MOS- so I can't speak to his training... the combatives training everyone gets in Basic (not sure about Infantry OSUT though) is a joke. I could do some basic moves right out of BCT, it wasn't until one of our NCOs went to Level 3 combatives training and took some outside the military training that we started doing weekly combatives/hand-to-hand training that I learned actual usable tactics. They Army doesn't see a huge need for all of it's troops- especially non-combat MOS soldiers- to know anything but a basic form of hand-to-hand, that IRL probably won't do you any favors. The Army is not trained to respond to a threat without the use of arms and force, unarmed against an active shooter and they might as well be average people with a little extra training in firearms, that's it. And I never said I'd only act if I had equal armament, I said unless an opportunity to act presented itself, I'm not going in gung ho and becoming another victim. That's why cops carry guns, otherwise what good are they if they become another victim? Questioning my manhood because I would be reluctant to commit suicide by gunman, okay, whatever. Now, if I was unarmed, encountered an active shooter, ideally I'd get to an advantageous position to utilize the hand-to-hand training I've received, but if that wasn't possible what good would I do in adding to the number of people the paramedics and/or coroner had to deal with?

Haze Yourself.

By saying that you don't have the right level of combatives training, all you're saying is that you failed to understand the primary purpose of the Modern Army Combatives Program: to instill the will to close with and destroy the enemy and provide a basic toolset to do so.

I'm interpreting this as: 'my buddy's life is not as important as mine.'

Again, haze yourself.

[<MADDOG>]

Haze Yourself.

By saying that you don't have the right level of combatives training, all you're saying is that you failed to understand the primary purpose of the Modern Army Combatives Program: to instill the will to close with and destroy the enemy and provide a basic toolset to do so.

I'm interpreting this as: 'my buddy's life is not as important as mine.'

Again, haze yourself.

Belly, with all due respect; your comments are laughable...

The "will"? I can fucking guarantee none of the 3 killed or the 16 wounded had the "will" to get shot. I'm sure you would have been the hero of the day if you were present however...

And please continue interpreting bullshit from other people's statements; it makes for good popcorn-eating reading for the liberals who visit the site.

[TheBelly]

And what would you have done, mad dog?

[<MADDOG>]

From which aspect do you wish me to address? The one wherein I was a "block away" and ultimately did nothing to change the outcome, or the one where I am actively placed in the scenario?

Either way I was not there; and I will not armchair quarterback this tragedy by purporting my opinions as fact. What is fact is there are 19 casualties, some of whom may have had the "will" and the training that is spoken of. What is also fact is an MP with a firearm took down the shooter.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that was the context of the OP; arming our soldiers.

Anyway, have fun; continue eating each other over hypotheticals about motivation and training.