Colorado sheriffs plan lawsuit challenging state gun control laws

[Whistler]

The point is, the wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few. More people care about gay marriage and abortion than care about 30rd magazines. The candidate that appeals to the majority will win. As long as the minority continue to marginalize the wishes of the majority, they will see themselves slowly pushed out of the picture to the point that they are no longer relevant and there is nobody left to pander to them.

You get more flies with honey. Be more courteous about the wishes of others, and there is a better chance they will return the favor.

Majority rule=mob rule, that's not how it's supposed to work. "The wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few" is a Roddenberry creation and nothing to do with our system of government, you are talking about "democracy" which some folks seem to mistake for our "Representative Republic" which unlike the former allows for safeguarding the rights of the individual or the minority.

[Ridge]

Majority rule=mob rule, that's not how it's supposed to work. "The wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few" is a Roddenberry creation and nothing to do with our system of government, you are talking about "democracy" which some folks seem to mistake for our "Representative Republic" which unlike the former allows for safeguarding the rights of the individual or the minority.

The purpose of the Senate is to rule on what is best for the populus. The purpose of the House is to vote for the wishes of their constituents. If the majority of the voices they hear are pro something, then it is their duty to vote in favor of that topic.

Too many people are getting into a bitchy semantics argument over democracy and republic based on current political parties instead of what those terms actually mean.

[Dave_L]

The point is, the wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few.

Is that why gay marriage licenses are being issued even though the majority of the state voted to not have them legal?

[Dave_L]

The purpose of the Senate is to rule on what is best for the populus. The purpose of the House is to vote for the wishes of their constituents. If the majority of the voices they hear are pro something, then it is their duty to vote in favor of that topic.

Do you honestly feel that's how things are run around here anymore? I would like to think the BCG and mag limit laws had quite the opposition that was ignored in honor of a staffer that "made a commitment".

[Ridge]

Do you honestly feel that's how things are run around here anymore? I would like to think the BCG and mag limit laws had quite the opposition that was ignored in honor of a staffer that "made a commitment".

Yes, and those people voted against the wishes of their constituents, and were voted out of office for it. The system works. There is an election in a few months, and we can see the will of the people again in November.

[ryorourke]

Yep, heard about that. Did you join just to post this?

Nope. Joined so I can ask a few questions on reloading and see the misc. reloading pics.

edit: No offense taken SuperiorDG. First post with negative information from the lawsuit seems dubious anyways. Was just hoping for good news so I can finally buy a few new rifles with standard magazines, instead of the stubby mags.

[Whistler]

The purpose of the Senate is to rule on what is best for the populus. The purpose of the House is to vote for the wishes of their constituents. If the majority of the voices they hear are pro something, then it is their duty to vote in favor of that topic.

Too many people are getting into a bitchy semantics argument over democracy and republic based on current political parties instead of what those terms actually mean.

No it is their duty to vote in a manner consistent with the wishes of the people they represent, popular opinion doesn't factor (ideally) and one of a myriad of reasons our government wasn't formed that way.

No bitchy semantics argument from me regarding anything other than what you said in your post, if you meant something different I missed it. I know exactly what those terms mean, I'm not attacking you personally Ridge and I understand your point, I just disagree with your assessment of how our representatives should respond, a more systemic issue.

[Zundfolge]

R's stance on abortion is what will eventually cost Americans their gun rights.

I'm sorry but that's just flat wrong. Republicans don't lose because of their opposition to abortion, that's a lie told by the left to get Republicans to abandon their fight to protect the unborn. Hell that makes as much sense as a pro-lifer saying "Second Amendment supporters are what prevents us from saving babies."

Abortion is a 50/50 issue in the US today and as such it isn't enough to sway the electorate one way or the other.

[Ridge]

I'm sorry but that's just flat wrong. Republicans don't lose because of their opposition to abortion, that's a lie told by the left to get Republicans to abandon their fight to protect the unborn.

That is so much bullshit. Just admit it. People want to be able to do with their own bodies what they want. The left doesn't need to lie about why the Republicans suck and people should leave. They are doing it just fine all by themselves.

[Zundfolge]

That is so much bullshit. Just admit it. People want to be able to do with their own bodies what they want.

The country is divided 50/50 on abortion, its not going to move the election one way or the other.



This "Republicans need to change their position on abortion" bushwah comes from the same liberal lie that "Republicans can't win because of [insert conservative position] and can only win if they move to the middle". If this was true then Reagan would have lost (or at least not been reelected in 84) and both McCain and Romney would have won landslides.



Furthermore, even if I bought this BS that the pro-life position costs Republicans votes, it wouldn't matter if every Republican swore a blood oath to never mention it again, Democrats would still run stupid ads like they are now saying Cory Gardner wants to make all forms of birth control illegal.


Like Reagan said; Bold Colors no pale pastels. Stand for something and people will respond.