Biometric work card

[BigBear]

I don't like biometrics... I had a safe once... I burned off my thumbprint once (on accident!!!)... safe no worky now... I no like biometrics.....

[Jumpstart]

I'm bowing out of this conversation as Ginsue suggested... if you have URL's to data that shows what you're saying, PM me -- if the facts support your conclusion my mind can be changed.

It took my just a few taps on the keyboard.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-102115-6766r/

[TennVol]

I am a big fan of keeping illegal aliens out of our country for a number of reasons.

...And yes I do have a dog in the fight. My wife is from the Rep of Panama. After we were married, I spent a lot of time and money paving the way for her to become a US citizen, which she is very proud to be. She feels the same way about illegal immigration as I do.

[Pancho Villa]

"I [know/married/am related to] x immigrant who feels the same way about this issue as I do" is a really poor argument.

There's hispanics in the Minute Men. That doesn't automatically shield the MM from criticism of any type.

I happen to have a dad who was born in Mexico. That does not make my opinion on illegal immigration more or less valid. My arguments do.

I won't drop into troll-bait like jumpstart has put here, but for the record guys, ethno-centrism is racism. Accessed with just a few taps of the keyboard:

rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Policies to encourage the "breeding" of "white christians" is more or less textbook racism and hey, consequentially, one of the hallmarks of some of the more colorful autocracies in the 20th century. I certainly don't want any of my money going to subsidize your welfare babies, of any race, let alone ones earmarked specifically for "white christians." But I guess we are all chattel slaves to the govt whose purpose is to encourage a strong, unified volk. What could possibly go wrong with that kind of philosophy, right guys?

I'm out of this thread. There are differences in policy that I can at least tolerate, if not understand, and there are people who declare themselves outside of the realm of civil discussion.

[Jumpstart]

"I [know/married/am related to] x immigrant who feels the same way about this issue as I do" is a really poor argument.

There's hispanics in the Minute Men. That doesn't automatically shield the MM from criticism of any type.

I happen to have a dad who was born in Mexico. That does not make my opinion on illegal immigration more or less valid. My arguments do.

I won't drop into troll-bait like jumpstart has put here, but for the record guys, ethno-centrism is racism. Accessed with just a few taps of the keyboard:

Policies to encourage the "breeding" of "white christians" is more or less textbook racism and hey, consequentially, one of the hallmarks of some of the more colorful autocracies in the 20th century. I certainly don't want any of my money going to subsidize your welfare babies, of any race, let alone ones earmarked specifically for "white christians." But I guess we are all chattel slaves to the govt whose purpose is to encourage a strong, unified volk. What could possibly go wrong with that kind of philosophy, right guys?

I'm out of this thread. There are differences in policy that I can at least tolerate, if not understand, and there are people who declare themselves outside of the realm of civil discussion.

All discussion here has been civil IMHO. Just because you are seemingly uncomfortable with the topic you deem it "uncivil"? I would disagree with your perception. The topic was biometric cards. We discussed it and as typical, it takes it course. Yet you seemingly stoop to slight me with with soft innuendos of racism and a "troll" because I dare speak what others may be thinking, and because I am white and commenting on racial issues? I could say that smacks of racism on your part, but I will refrain.
As for you not wanting to have your money going to any welfare babies, "let alone earmarked specifically for white Christians", isn't that a racist statement by you? Okay let's say no. Then I would be free to say I don't want any of my money earmarked specifically for brown illegal aliens. Yet my tax money does. (How is that fair?) So if that last statement makes me "racist", then by that measure, so does your statement about white Christians.
It not really about race at all, just fairness. I just starting to ask for it is all.

[Pancho Villa]

I'm not doing innuendo. If you believe in ethnocentrism you are a racist. That simple.

I didn't say you were uncivil in your methods, I said your beliefs were outside the realm of civil discussion. Civil discussion takes place with some ideas presupposed - for example, that all actors will hold reason as the highest arbiter, hold no particular ill will towards each other, etc. A racist falls outside that category, even if he cries to everyone that he's not a racist. I would react the same way to someone who wanted to 'debate' eating children.

[Jumpstart]

I'm not doing innuendo. If you believe in ethnocentrism you are a racist. That simple.

I didn't say you were uncivil in your methods, I said your beliefs were outside the realm of civil discussion. Civil discussion takes place with some ideas presupposed - for example, that all actors will hold reason as the highest arbiter, hold no particular ill will towards each other, etc. A racist falls outside that category, even if he cries to everyone that he's not a racist. I would react the same way to someone who wanted to 'debate' eating children.

I get it. I can't take the same license on racial/social issues because of my skin color.

[theGinsue]

Folks, the discussion was on biometric cards - and what your opinion of those are. It was not about the reasons biometric cards are being considered, nor about finger-pointing, name calling, legal/illegal immigration or racism as it is/is not occuring on this thread.

We are a single-issue site with like minded people for that issue. Let us PLEASE refrain from making this an uncomfortable environment for the rest of us.

I respectfully ask that we keep the discussion to "what do you think of biometric cards for identification" or refrain from posting.

We are a great group on individuals on this site. We don't need internal hostility or saying things that might get this site labeled what it is not. I thank you for considering this prior to posting.

Sincerely,
GMKIA - 3rd Class

[Jumpstart]

Is it wrong for me to love my own? Is it wicked for me because my skin is red? Because I am Sioux? Because I was born where my father lived? Because I would die for my people and my country?
Sitting Bull

[theGinsue]

I tried. Now all that is left for me to do is...