Grand Jury Decides Not To Indict Cop In Eric Garner Chokehold Case

[Great-Kazoo]

Up side is NYPD arrested more tonight than fergadishu did in 3 days.

[ANADRILL]

One less criminal off the streets.

[BushMasterBoy]

Eff NYC...that place scares me. Just wall it off and make it a prison...

[Great-Kazoo]

Eff NYC...that place scares me. Just wall it off and make it a prison...

It is, the residents who live there accept it as part of the NYC cultural experience. We left 30 years ago to avoid shit like this, among other things. Before that a gathering of civil disobedience had a decent body count, of sheeple .

[KestrelBike]

Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?

next it's going to be 3 more white cops taking down a black guy drinking a 32oz coke.

I'm also going to add that a Coratid hold doesn't involve actually choking someone. You apply pressure to the sides of the neck to temporarily deprive the brain of oxygen. It's supposed to be used on violently resisting subjects.

Can we please refer to it by the correct term of blood choke

[Irving]

I realize that people are still amped up over the ridiculous things that have occurred surrounding Ferguson, but some posters need to step away from the keyboard and exit prick mode for a few hours.

[theGinsue]

Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?

I'm going with this. ^^^. Well stated.

In the Ferguson case, based off of the evidence I saw before and since the GJ decision, I think the GJ made the right call.

Now, in this NYC event, based off of the video and little else, I think there were enough questionable actions to warrant more investigation and review than the GJ could possibly provide. The little LE training I received from a buddy years ago and from the USAF when I "played cop", even I know that those sorts of chokes are NOT appropriate. PERIOD. This GJ decision leaves me mystified. If there was to be fallout from a GJ decision, THIS is the one that should have created concern.

[clublights]

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong .. BUT ...


Can't the Grand Jury only give a bill or no bill on the charges presented to them ?

My understanding is they were presented with murder charges against the cop .

so If I'm correct on both counts you have to ask "Was this MURDER?"

I have to reply No.

Did the man Die ? Yes

Was the hold against policy ( but not law) ? Yes

Could the officer reasonably believed that the man would die from the choke hold? I say no. he's probably done this " a 100 times" and no one has died . that day would be no different in his mind.

Can you beyond a reasonable doubt prove that the officer intended for the man to die that day? Again No.

IF I am correct in my first statement then the real failure here was by the prosecution . this was not Murder. it was manslaughter, and should have been handled like that.

[Big John]

This is a tough on for me. If Garner can say the words I can't breathe close to ten times, that tells everyone that he was breathing at that time. As soon as they had control of him, the cop let go of his neck.

Nothing good ever comes from resisting arrest. The visual of a person being taken down while resisting is also never good.

[GilpinGuy]

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong .. BUT ...


Can't the Grand Jury only give a bill or no bill on the charges presented to them ?

My understanding is they were presented with murder charges against the cop .

so If I'm correct on both counts you have to ask "Was this MURDER?"
I have to reply No.

Did the man Die ? Yes

Was the hold against policy ( but not law) ? Yes

Could the officer reasonably believed that the man would die from the choke hold? I say no. he's probably done this " a 100 times" and no one has died . that day would be no different in his mind.

Can you beyond a reasonable doubt prove that the officer intended for the man to die that day? Again No.

IF I am correct in my first statement then the real failure here was by the prosecution . this was not Murder. it was manslaughter, and should have been handled like that.

I think this is a little strange:
"It was unclear exactly what charges prosecutors asked the grand jury to consider filing, or how the vote went." Source