Caldera/Independence Institute: Editorial on RMGO 5/25

[hurley842002]

Infighting as opposed to a unified front against our opposition?

Correct.

[ZERO THEORY]

Correct.

If I can give the general left one thing, it's respect for their solidarity. Despite all of their own differing viewpoints and opinions, they are solid as steel when it comes to legislative and community measures. If the broader Republican/Tea Party/Libertarian/Independence/Liberty movements could all take a couple of those pages from their book, I imagine that things would look very different on the socio-political front right now.

[beast556]

If I can give the general left one thing, it's respect for their solidarity. Despite all of their own differing viewpoints and opinions, they are solid as steel when it comes to legislative and community measures. If the broader Republican/Tea Party/Libertarian/Independence/Liberty movements could all take a couple of those pages from their book, I imagine that things would look very different on the socio-political front right now.

This is so true, conservatives never want to cooperate no matter what, its maddening.

[Zundfolge]

This is so true, conservatives never want to cooperate no matter what, its maddening.

Its maddening but it makes sense ... Individualism vs groupthink.


Also the left isn't as united as we'd think they are. They just have a sympathetic media that does all it can to smooth out the conflicts whereas they amplify the conflicts on the right.

[spqrzilla]

The idea that we should not settle for half a loaf (really 90%) because it would take the fire out of getting a whole loaf seems to assume we have any realistic political chance of a complete repeal.

This is really really fantasy thinking. There is no realistic chance of complete repeal. Even the raising of the limit to 30 was hardly a sure thing, in fact unlikely.

[hollohas]

This is so true, conservatives never want to cooperate no matter what, its maddening.

Because true conservatives by nature are all about individual thoughts not hardline, party talking point, group think. They care about individual liberty, personal responsibility and self sufficiency as their guidelines. This means that they don't want to be told what to do or tell other people what to do. They don't want to compromise thier individual vaules just to help someone else get what they want.

There are few true conservative politicians. Politicians WANT to mandate what others do and that goes against the very core value of conservatism. The pool for conservative candidates is extremely small because most of the good ones are busy trying to be left the hell alone instead of trying to go out and "representing" everyone else's best interests. We don't have many that will fight conservative fights and that's why we so frequently lose.

All this is true for conservative voters too. They just want to be left the hell alone. I wish conservatives stuck together as a united front but unfortunately I don't think that's even possible until the fight gets personal for many more conservatives or until a true conservative leader steps up and inspires them.

[Irving]

But who can unite the North?

[Great-Kazoo]

But who can unite the North?

Ollie ?

[Big John]

Everytime I read one of these threads, I understand more and more, why we are in the spot we are in.

Because DB isn't representing us well?

After watching many hours of the great debates, I have zero confidence that there will ever be a full repeal of either law. I would have happily nipped away at one of them though.

[Gman]

Everytime I read one of these threads, I understand more and more, why we are in the spot we are in.

Like DB's repeated attacks of the NRA, using the same discredited allegations that the antis were using.

The idea that you will either get all or nothing pretty much guarantees that you will get nothing.