BassPro Got Robbed

[hollohas]

Seriously, lots of judgy "common sense" security specialists posting on this thread. Their liability, their security system expenses. I bet I could kick in the front door or most of the poster's in this thread because your are too lazy to change the 3/4" screws on the kick plates and hinges to 3" screws. I also bet my 12 year old could rake open your $30 non-security pin deadbolt front door lock too. Those are your liability, your security system expenses.

Whoa, too much coffee today? There's very little in the form of critical comments here. Just a couple wondering why the guns weren't locked in safes. Especially not much here to justify calling other folks lazy.

Suriously strange place to rob. I'm not sure what back entrances are there, but from the front door, thats not a quick in-n-out job and I bet you must pass dozens of cameras on the way.

[Dave_L]

hire the right people....

LOL! In today's world, that's almost impossible.

[Skip]

The reason they don't put firearms in safes at night and take them back out during the day is simple: Employees do more damage to the firearms taking them in and out each day - and the store has insurance for robberies not for daily handling. Further, people typically protect the outside and never protect the inside (hard and crunchy on the outside - soft and gooey on the inside). Same everywhere.

This has been the rule at multiple LGS I have worked at/with.

Which can happen just pulling a pistol out of a case or taking a rifle down from a rack.

1. Buy a Rubbermaid cart
2. Case everything you can

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Seriously, lots of judgy "common sense" security specialists posting on this thread. Their liability, their security system expenses. I bet I could kick in the front door or most of the poster's in this thread because your are too lazy to change the 3/4" screws on the kick plates and hinges to 3" screws. I also bet my 12 year old could rake open your $30 non-security pin deadbolt front door lock too. Those are your liability, your security system expenses.

I don't have a big sign on my front lawn that says "FREE FIREARMS FOR FELONS."

Level of security should be relative to risk, yes? Or is that not "common sense?"

[JohnnyEgo]

That's a crappy scenario. Only way to protect against that is to hire the right people.... Which, as I'm sure you know, is easier said than done.

Sadly, it's hard to know who the right people are. In the years I worked firearm retail, several of my coworkers were fired for employee dishonesty, including things like stealing buckets of brass from the range, taking a case of ammo out with the cardboard recycling and then retrieving it from the dumpster, and purposefully ringing up items incorrectly for friends. Some of these folks seemed like good, honest people; prior military, gun enthusiasts, one married with a kid. You never know until you've been tested, and for some folks, it turns out their integrity was on sale for a couple hundred bucks.

We had cameras all over, including one over the registry, but we lacked a quality inventory control system. We used a price gun to label things, and manually entered pricing on the register. It was hard to know exactly what was in and what had gone out at any given time. The odds seemed like folks could get away with it, and many did for a time. What usually lead to their downfall is that once they started down that path, they found it hard to stop, and time eventually caught up with them.

As to locking the guns up every night, they didn't get any more shelf wear than they might have otherwise received on active display. We hit them with a Rig Rag to remove customer fingerprints, and laid them in foam lined crates that stacked on top of one another. On to a dolly and then rolled into a TL rated safe. Long guns were put in another safe by hand, but I guess we were either careful or nobody complained about finish wear. We were a small shop, so perhaps it was easier for us, but similar procedures were followed by most of the other facilities in town. Then again, our population density and crime rate were considerably higher than Colorado, so perhaps it isn't considered necessary here.

Not buying or selling, as I have long been out of the business. Never was, or will be, a security specialist. Just a former retail gun store employee, commenting on what our practices were and the reasons behind them. If this offends anyone or causes anyone to hope I am subject to a home invasion, then I'd suggest a deep breath is probably in order.

Edited to read "customer fingerprints" instead of "customer footprints".

[Gunner]

Wait were they robbed or burglarized

Robbery
Robbery is defined by the law as taking or trying to take something from someone that has value by utilizing intimidation, force or threat. In order for robbery to take place, a victim must be present at the scene and can occur with a single victim or, in cases like bank hold ups, multiple victims.

Burglary
Burglary is defined by the law as the unlawful entry to a structure to commit theft or a felony. In order for burglary to take place, a victim does not have to be present. When a burglary takes place, the structure being unlawfully entered can be any number of building types including business offices, personal homes and even garden sheds. Burglary is not the term used for crimes committed on cars.

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[Aloha_Shooter]

Wait were they robbed or burglarized

Robbery
Robbery is defined by the law as taking or trying to take something from someone that has value by utilizing intimidation, force or threat. In order for robbery to take place, a victim must be present at the scene and can occur with a single victim or, in cases like bank hold ups, multiple victims.

According to Merriam-Webster:

Simple Definition of rob

• : to take money or property from (a person or a place) illegally and sometimes by using force, violence, or threats
  
  
• : to keep (someone) from getting something expected or wanted

The thieves took property from Bass Pro illegally, hence Bass Pro was robbed according to common and proper use of the English language.

[asmo]

Level of security should be relative to risk, yes? Or is that not "common sense?"

It was. Their level of risk was low for robbery and medium to high for damage from handling.

Seriously BassPro didn't do anything wrong here. There is no perfect security - all things can be broken into with enough time/money/clue/brute-force: pick any two.

[Gunner]

According to Merriam-Webster:

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The thieves took property from Bass Pro illegally, hence Bass Pro was robbed according to common and proper use of the English language.

But was there a victim or person present

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[Dave_L]

Seriously BassPro didn't do anything wrong here. There is no perfect security - all things can be broken into with enough time/money/clue/brute-force: pick any two.

This. All the security in the world doesnt matter if someone wants in bad enough. All you can do is try to deter people. Make it hard enough that they dont want to put in the effort.

[funkymonkey1111]

According to Merriam-Webster:
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The thieves took property from Bass Pro illegally, hence Bass Pro was robbed according to common and proper use of the English language.

they were burglarized. not robbed, regardless of what Merriam-Webster says about it. Do you think the DA uses the dictionary to draft the felony information?