"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[izzy]

Part of my fascination with this discussion is the amount of people who don't really have anything to say about EV in general, but just want to argue against stuff that they've heard in the past, and almost never in the threads started. I'm using this quote as an example because it is the most common one, not because I think this is what you are doing. Others certainly are though.

I get that the first people to be excited about EV cars were those who touted the idea that it's cleaner than ICE vehicles. Whether that is or isn't the case, doesn't matter at this point. EV has entered the market and the reasons for looking to own can change from the boutique interests that first generated publicity.

Basically if you (general) don't consider environmental factors for any of your other purchases, then stop talking about whether batteries are greener or not.
Same with towing. If you own any vehicles that can't tow 12,000 lbs over a mountain pass, but then think that is a valid talking point in whether an EV is a worthwhile purchase, then you should probably go back to eating glue at the kids table.

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

[Irving]

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

[Great-Kazoo]

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

@ $25-50K for a used EV. Will never be on my radar. Interesting since the prius resale value, is really in the shitter. Maybe a 1-3 yr old one is great for trade, older than that...

[Jer]

@ $25-50K for a used EV. Will never be on my radar. Interesting since the prius resale value, is really in the shitter. Maybe a 1-3 yr old one is great for trade, older than that...

You keep lumping all EVs into the same category as if they're all the same and you can't figure out why anyone would pay more for one over the other. Go drive a 5-year-old Prius and then drive a 5-Year-Old Tesla Model S and you'll see exactly what you're paying for.

This is similar to the conversation people have that say "All EVs [insert negative thing that one of them does] so that's why I will never own one." which gets tiresome when someone is basing their opinion of a $150k luxury car on their personal experience with a clapped out rattle can EV.

[Great-Kazoo]

You keep lumping all EVs into the same category as if they're all the same and you can't figure out why anyone would pay more for one over the other. Go drive a 5-year-old Prius and then drive a 5-Year-Old Tesla Model S and you'll see exactly what you're paying for.

This is similar to the conversation people have that say "All EVs [insert negative thing that one of them does] so that's why I will never own one." which gets tiresome when someone is basing their opinion of a $150k luxury car on their personal experience with a clapped out rattle can EV.

That's kind of elitist . Hurt your neck looking down, much .

[hollohas]

That's kind of elitist . Hurt your neck looking down, much .

Tier 1 EV is the only way to go. If you're not spending over a year salary on your EV, you don't deserve an opinion.

In all seriousness, I appreciate the Tesla and it's luxury sports car attitude. It's fast and that's really the only aspect that appeals to me.

[ChickNorris]

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

Not no one, I put a hitch on our passat.

[Jer]

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

I for one wouldn't call it a clean process but it is a different process. It's not perfect but even though it has it's own set of negatives it also seems to provide more positives. With some of the dry battery making methods & new technology coming down the pipeline we're going to see things get better for sure.