"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[CapLock]

Id love to have an ev truck for my work truck. If it had a 300 mile range thats way more than id need for working the metro area.

Trains run off electricity.
I think an ev truck would pull just fine.

[ChickNorris]

After my last post I realized that Jer set the tone of the environmental aspect of this thread with the title.

I appreciated the post. Over the thread however.

[Jer]

So.. For you and others the EV isn't a 1 size fits all solution. for ICE

I'd consider one if. They were much more affordable . They were more utilitarian and most of all, ADA friendly.

IMO The Tesla is more a status symbol for people to thumb their nose at the peon's, who stick to outdated technology. Sitting around a fire to heat their homes.

Keep in mind that the Tesla Model S was never built as a utilitarian vehicle. Too many EVs were built to that spec before Tesla came along and it fueled the fire of "look at that crappy little thing, can it even get out of it's own way?"

Nobody took them serious. 0-60 if you were lucky. Range of 55 miles on a good day if your driving was downhill. Small little tin cans. This is how EVs were type-cast for decades.

Tesla set out to build something that wasn't just "impressive for an EV" but something that was simple "impressive" w/o any qualifiers. They did that. They proved to the masses that this technology could indeed meet the needs of today's car buyers and not just today's environmentalists.

You can buy exactly what you're looking for for under $10k used from other manufacturers. If you don't need/want what the $150k (when new... ours used were less than 1/3 of that) car offers then of course you just see it as status symbol and can't understand why anyone would want to own one.

Tesla came out with the Model 3 that will meet the short list of what you're looking for in car. The plan is to produce a base model that is $35k before any tax credits or anything like that. Used copies will be $20k or less by 2022.

[Jer]

With all the back n forth i'm curious why Jer has ignored post # 26 Or not addressed it?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/betsyat.../#5e49949a68e1

Actually, I did.

[Great-Kazoo]

Part of my fascination with this discussion is the amount of people who don't really have anything to say about EV in general, but just want to argue against stuff that they've heard in the past, and almost never in the threads started. I'm using this quote as an example because it is the most common one, not because I think this is what you are doing. Others certainly are though.

I get that the first people to be excited about EV cars were those who touted the idea that it's cleaner than ICE vehicles. Whether that is or isn't the case, doesn't matter at this point. EV has entered the market and the reasons for looking to own can change from the boutique interests that first generated publicity.

Basically if you (general) don't consider environmental factors for any of your other purchases, then stop talking about whether batteries are greener or not.
Same with towing. If you own any vehicles that can't tow 12,000 lbs over a mountain pass, but then think that is a valid talking point in whether an EV is a worthwhile purchase, then you should probably go back to eating glue at the kids table.

We looked and drove a few. Real nice, but very uncomfortable to deal with having a prosthetic . The Nissan Leaf would be the pick IF we ever went with a new vehicle.



Going back to environmentally better. There's a shit load of copper, wrapped in plastic used. While there's green potential, until options for wiring everything together are found. That don't use natural resources, they're really not that "green"

Nothing ever will be, so one has to weigh the benefits as well as "feel good" about doing something.

[ray1970]

If you don't need/want what the $150k (when new... ours used were less than 1/3 of that)

Now I?m second guessing how awesome the Tesla is based solely off how poorly it retains it?s value.

[hollohas]

I don't know the details of this story. If it's like most of the other "Tesla kills driver... film at 11" stories I read I'm sure that more details will emerge in the months to come but I don't know enough to make a judgement on this specific situation.

Cars are scary things ...blah blah blah

I guess I shouldn't have posted the link. Forget this story completely, the details don't interest me. It only piqued my interest regarding a technical aspect of the car. I was simply asking a Tesla owner who knows a bit about the cars to answer a question for me. It was a serious question not meant as a 'gotcha'. How do the doors open if the car is disabled?

[Irving]

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

[Great-Kazoo]

I was worried you'd take my post the wrong way. Your points are fine and it's a discussion to be had. I'm talking more specifically about general discussions about whether an EV is realistic to use for people. There is always the person who shows up to argue about whether it is really more green or not. If that person doesn't care about how green something is, then who cares how green an EV is? Once something hits main stream, people are going to enter the market regardless of their feelings toward the environment.

Same with towing. If there are zero EV trucks on the market at this time, why is towing a part of any discussion? No one buys a sedan with the intent to tow.

@ $25-50K for a used EV. Will never be on my radar. Interesting since the prius resale value, is really in the shitter. Maybe a 1-3 yr old one is great for trade, older than that...

[Grant H.]

Id love to have an ev truck for my work truck. If it had a 300 mile range thats way more than id need for working the metro area.

Trains run off electricity.
I think an ev truck would pull just fine.

Indeed. They will pull extremely well.

Range is the limitation that exists.

Post the next jump in battery tech (we're overdue, and I honestly think Tesla will be the primary driving force, likely the inventor, there), the use of EV will be rampant.