"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[Jer]

I don't care about electric cars one way or the other. I have read a bunch on the topic of lithium mining however, for no other reason than curiosity. If someone is going to try to say that's a clean process and I disagree I'm going to chime in about that. Pretty sure that's on topic weather I care about it or not.


I'll head over to the kids table now ttyl

I for one wouldn't call it a clean process but it is a different process. It's not perfect but even though it has it's own set of negatives it also seems to provide more positives. With some of the dry battery making methods & new technology coming down the pipeline we're going to see things get better for sure.

[Jer]

We looked and drove a few. Real nice, but very uncomfortable to deal with having a prosthetic . The Nissan Leaf would be the pick IF we ever went with a new vehicle.



Going back to environmentally better. There's a shit load of copper, wrapped in plastic used. While there's green potential, until options for wiring everything together are found. That don't use natural resources, they're really not that "green"

Nothing ever will be, so one has to weigh the benefits as well as "feel good" about doing something.

ICE vehicles don't use copper or plastic? That's a cool party trick.

[Jer]

Now I?m second guessing how awesome the Tesla is based solely off how poorly it retains it?s value.

$150k would be the top dog Model S with all the whiz-bang shit at today's price tag. If you don't need all of the fancy features you can get something for less than 1/3 that but it wouldn't be something that began life at $150k, if that makes sense. I think our 5 year old car was like $80k new and we paid about $40k for it so about 50% value in just over 5 years. Most ICE vehicles are going to lose about 50% at about the three year mark.

[Jer]

I guess I shouldn't have posted the link. Forget this story completely, the details don't interest me. It only piqued my interest regarding a technical aspect of the car. I was simply asking a Tesla owner who knows a bit about the cars to answer a question for me. It was a serious question not meant as a 'gotcha'. How do the doors open if the car is disabled?

The door should open just fine in the event of a battery failure. If all power is lost then the handles will not "present" or pop out which means they will be flush with the door. In an obvious emergency situation however it would make sense to break the window and either pull the handle from the inside (mechanically connected to door mechanism in case of just such an event) or pull the drive through the window. Either way, this seems more like a training issue than something Tesla did wrong. They're not the first to have fancy door handles.

[Great-Kazoo]

ICE vehicles don't use copper or plastic? That's a cool party trick.

You're deflecting away from natural resources an EV uses, same as an ICE does.


Think i'll bump your tacoma thread, just for a laugh

[Great-Kazoo]

... back to our regularly scheduled program already in progress...

SQUIRREL

[Jer]

@ $25-50K for a used EV. Will never be on my radar. Interesting since the prius resale value, is really in the shitter. Maybe a 1-3 yr old one is great for trade, older than that...

You keep lumping all EVs into the same category as if they're all the same and you can't figure out why anyone would pay more for one over the other. Go drive a 5-year-old Prius and then drive a 5-Year-Old Tesla Model S and you'll see exactly what you're paying for.

This is similar to the conversation people have that say "All EVs [insert negative thing that one of them does] so that's why I will never own one." which gets tiresome when someone is basing their opinion of a $150k luxury car on their personal experience with a clapped out rattle can EV.

[BPTactical]

But an electric dragster just isn't going have the same eye watering, sore throat inducing, ear shattering Nitromethane explosive impact now is it?


Meh, if I want an EV I'll buy an RC car.

[Jer]

Indeed. They will pull extremely well.

Range is the limitation that exists.

Post the next jump in battery tech (we're overdue, and I honestly think Tesla will be the primary driving force, likely the inventor, there), the use of EV will be rampant.

Agreed. Tesla made a BIG move in this direction a couple of weeks ago when they acquired Maxwell technologies through an all-stock transaction. They specialize in ultracapacitors and advanced battery tech that will likely be put into implementation right away. Many suspect that the patent portfolio alone will save Tesla hundreds of millions of dollars in production costs in the near-term alone. The talk is that the discoveries they made in dry electrode technology alone will be a significant jump in what we currently have to work with. The rumors are that if everything was equal from what they're building right now (Model 3 for instance) and all they change is the battery technology that the packs in the Model 3 would drop about 30% in cost, 20% in weight and generate more range with a longer lifespan plus be better to produce environmentally. Tesla is doing this right by focusing on the tech rather than just paying someone else to make it the way all over EV have done with LG and Panasonic. In a short period of time once the Gigafactories are fully online and cranking out volume not only will Tesla have the best performing cars at the lowest possible prices but anyone who wants to build an EV that competes will have to source their battery tech from them too. This would be a significant victory for Tesla but you can see why as a consumer I'm afraid for our future if nobody steps up to challenge them.

[ChickNorris]

But an electric dragster just isn't going have the same eye watering, sore throat inducing, ear shattering Nitromethane explosive impact now is it?

Top fuel Amen!

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