Shooting at California festival kills 3; suspect is dead

[hurley842002]

Perhaps it's time for a little bit of introspection on your part.

I think that about Eric P every time he posts, glad someone else agrees.


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[GilpinGuy]

I've become so numb to the news I don't care about the body count or who the victims were, I just care about what gun laws will follow.

How awesome that this is now associated with an "online AR-15 gun group from Colorado". Can't you see how anti's could use this?

[Skip]

We can't change anything that happened and I doubt there's a person here who wouldn't change the outcome if gifted with magical/time traveling powers.

This is why we own guns and carry.

The only thing now is the fallout and if you believe that more gun control = more violent crime, then we should take an interest in that.

If you believe gun control works then I can see how someone would think that focus is insensitive.

[thedave1164]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Too many of those that hold up the body of a six year old child to forward the cause of gun control, promote the murdering of babies in the name of choice.

Forgive me if I refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda and while I do sincerely feel for all the victims, I will not be manipulated by those that use this tragedy to attack the constitution and the bill of rights

[BPTactical]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Too many of those that hold up the body of a six year old child to forward the cause of gun control, promote the murdering of babies in the name of choice.

Forgive me if I refuse to kowtow to the liberal agenda and while I do sincerely feel for all the victims, I will not be manipulated by those that use this tragedy to attack the constitution and the bill of rights

This point cannot be stressed enough.

[Delfuego]

Gilroy, my hometown of birth.

I grew up close by and have deep family ties there. My uncle helped run the city of Gilroy for decades. We went to the Garlic Festival every year.

[Delfuego]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.

Those that quote historical figures on the internet, usually f*** up the quote or the meaning

[O2HeN2]

[Gman]

"Be not intimidated...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
― John Adams

I regularly think about this whenever we're told to 'do it, for the children' or when the alternative to our freedom is 'sensitivity' or 'common sense'.

[hollohas]

Franklin used this argument more than one occasion. Years later, in 1775, he used the same argument in a letter. And that time, it was a lot closer to the context as commonly used today.

https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/484

Regardless of his context in the 18th century, it is a profound statement that is applicable how it is commonly used today.