Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Bailey Guns]

BG, did you feel that there was a culture of "don't tell on one of your own"? I don't know, but he asshat that killed Floyd had something like 17 complaints filed against him in 20 years. You had 1, it sounds like. But no other officer noticed anything wrong with this guy?

Like I wrote, it just "seems" like cops aught to protect themselves by calling out the shitheads and getting them out.

I'm sure it's worse in serioisly urban areas like Chicago or NYC, so maybe you haven't experienced it as much. But the perception of cops covering for each other when bad shit happens is no bueno.

Maybe a little of that culture. But then again, I don't recall anything seriously bad happening that would've warranted that. I worked with guys that got fired for doing illegal stuff...mostly related to drugs...off duty. I recall at least two the got fired who killed themselves afterward. One at the sheriff's dept...young kid had a problem with liking little kids. Got investigated, arrested, booked, posted bond, got released, went home and hung himself. Another at the PD was ordering something by mail from an Asian country...don't recall what. I think it was something to help with stress/nerves/anxiety. He'd gone thru a divorce and was having a hard time with it. Got warned by ATF to stop and he didn't listen. Then got arrested the next time. Of course he'd been suspended once the investigation started. Once he posted bond and got out of jail he shot himself. There was no indication with either of those guys at work they were doing this shit. At least not with me.

And Cstone is right about complaints. I had several over the years. Most were pretty trivial and didn't amount to anything except a pissed off citizen that was venting because I didn't use a turn signal or something like that. A few were serious enough to get me involved in a formal investigation. It's pretty sobering to have to listen to a Garrity advisement in the internal affairs dept (similar to a Miranda advisement only you're not in custody or don't have to be in custody). I was sued several times...but only the one time that really went anywhere because most of the time it's bullshit. Oftentimes you don't even know you've been the subject of a lawsuit.

Same thing with "use of force" reports against an officer. It would probably sound pretty bad if I told you I had 15 (just an example) "use of force" reports in my file for one year. What you probably wouldn't know is a "use of force" can be as simple as firing your gun to euthanize an animal that had been struck by a car (that happened about once a month on average at the sheriff's dept with me because I worked in a mountain district). Other times it would include having to pepper spray someone to take them into custody...something like that. It varies from dept to dept. The point is, just because someone has several complaints and/or use of force reports filed on them doesn't necessarily equate to being a heavy handed, bad cop.

I never worked for a dept that had a union...well, one that was like they are back east, anyway. We had a union at the PD but it was pretty much just to negotiate with the city for pay and benefits. It was also a good excuse to have a Christmas party every year.

This is part of the problem. People think they understand police work but they really don't. Cstone is right again talking about the guys that just develop the "I don't care anymore" attitude. I recall a few of those guys. I avoided them like the plague.

[Bailey Guns]

Gov Cuomo in NY is complaining that protesters who've committed serious crimes are being arrested and immediately released. The problem is with the new bail "reform" legislation that went into effect Jan 1 this year. The legislation he signed into law. What a dickhead.

[Great-Kazoo]

Gov Cuomo in NY is complaining that protesters who've committed serious crimes are being arrested and immediately released. The problem is with the new bail "reform" legislation that went into effect Jan 1 this year. The legislation he signed into law. What a dickhead.

He's talking out both sides of his ass. He orders a stand down, then wonders why they're kicked to the street. Granted that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the law (as mentioned) he signed, with a smile.

[Great-Kazoo]

What i don't understand about all the protest is. I was under the impression systemic racism was resolved under the previous administration.

Hollywood, tv and other entertainment industries promised to become more inclusive.
Making sure POC's were elevated to higher profile positions, like directors, producers, writers etc.
I read some poc on a tv show has come out to complain, about her being the token colored person on the show. 2-3 years after getting the job.

Keep in mind the now woke producer / writer a hispanic, has made amends. Throw in most of the shows produced / directed as well as bankrolled on the CW is by G, Berlenati (spck) a very prominent homosexual. Who includes (if you read the blurbs) lots of lgbtabcdef actors / characters.

So is it whites who are the problem. or the gays and hispanics ?? It's a much ignored or deflected issue.

because everyone knows there was no racism until TRUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Gman]

16 years of Clinton and Obama didn't fix it.

Trump's fault.

[hollohas]

Same thing with "use of force" reports against an officer. It would probably sound pretty bad if I told you I had 15 (just an example) "use of force" reports in my file for one year. What you probably wouldn't know is a "use of force" can be as simple as firing your gun to euthanize an animal that had been struck by a car (that happened about once a month on average at the sheriff's dept with me because I worked in a mountain district). Other times it would include having to pepper spray someone to take them into custody...something like that.

Yeah, "use of force" is pretty low bar these days. A LEO friend of mine had a situation recently in which the individual he needed to arrest was sitting in a chair at the hospital (person needed to be checked by a doctor before going to jail). He told the individual it was time to go and asked the individual to stand up. The individual refused after multiple requests. So, the officer simply picked the individual up to stand them on their feet. No fight. No struggling. No less lethal. No different than picking up a child who refuses to move. And he was required to file a use-of-force report. He actually gave the suspect many chances to stand on their own specifically because he was trying to avoid the paperwork.

[Waldo1]

16 years of Clinton and Obama didn't fix it.

Trump's fault.

Justice for Jussie Smollett!!

[lpgasman]

You mean juicy?https://youtu.be/wZXoErL2124

[MrPrena]

I know some cops and the stories they tell, and defend, of "just doing their job!", wouldn't fly here at all.

Another good excuse. "I was just following order from _________."

Reminds me of Few Good Men.

[davsel]

Black Lives Are a Pretext
Origins of the violent racist organization behind the riots.