Atlanta Shooting

[Irving]

I'm not offended, and even though I used every example you did, I want trying to pick on you. It's just that's the shit all cops say. It's no different than any other bullshit expression that people work into conversations as filler material.

My position is pretty much exactly as Cavscout has expressed, he's just don't a much better job expressing how he feels than I am.

Move along sir, nothing to offend here.

[Bailey Guns]

You must have a reason to dismiss a saying that's been around for longer than you and I combined have been around as garbage (the bad apples thing).

The saying means that one bad part of a group can easily taint the entire group. That's exactly what's going on in law enforcement agencies around the country. Unless you believe like so many that cops are just generally bad people for whatever reason. Is it cliche? Maybe. It's only meant to express a sentiment, not to be the final word on the matter.

No one would like to see the "bad apples" removed more than me. It does no one any good for them to remain. But even when one is discovered, identified and removed and even punished in many cases that's just not enough for some. Exactly like what's going on with Chauvin in Minneapolis. He did wrong. He was almost immediately arrested, jailed and charged. And yet still people bitch about the system. What's going on with the officer in Atlanta and how he's being treated by the DA there is a HUGE injustice. It's almost as if that DA has never heard of "presumption of innocence".

Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable. I don't generally think cops need "more training". To me that's as big a cliche as "a few bad apples". They need to follow the training they've received in most cases. And FFS...I'm not saying that training is a bad thing...just wanna make that clear because I know some asshat is gonna jump on that like I'm advocating for pulling some schmuck off the street and giving him a badge and gun and telling him to go forth and violate the rights of the masses. I'm just saying that, generally speaking, cops get a lot of training initially and on an on-going basis. I think the problem is more that they don't follow the training they've received in some instances and that gets them in trouble.

[Great-Kazoo]

You must have a reason to dismiss a saying that's been around for longer than you and I combined have been around as garbage (the bad apples thing).

The saying means that one bad part of a group can easily taint the entire group. That's exactly what's going on in law enforcement agencies around the country. Unless you believe like so many that cops are just generally bad people for whatever reason. Is it cliche? Maybe. It's only meant to express a sentiment, not to be the final word on the matter.

No one would like to see the "bad apples" removed more than me. It does no one any good for them to remain. But even when one is discovered, identified and removed and even punished in many cases that's just not enough for some. Exactly like what's going on with Chauvin in Minneapolis. He did wrong. He was almost immediately arrested, jailed and charged. And yet still people bitch about the system. What's going on with the officer in Atlanta and how he's being treated by the DA there is a HUGE injustice. It's almost as if that DA has never heard of "presumption of innocence".

Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable. I don't generally think cops need "more training". To me that's as big a cliche as "a few bad apples". They need to follow the training they've received in most cases. And FFS...I'm not saying that training is a bad thing...just wanna make that clear because I know some asshat is gonna jump on that like I'm advocating for pulling some schmuck off the street and giving him a badge and gun and telling him to go forth and violate the rights of the masses. I'm just saying that, generally speaking, cops get a lot of training initially and on an on-going basis. I think the problem is more that they don't follow the training they've received in some instances and that gets them in trouble.

Why not. NYPD did that after some democrat mayor pushed for a more inclusive police force. So...............they dropped the denial for felons with non-violent crimes to be accepted . Which they later rescinded.

That all inclusive has bitten more than one political ass.

[Bailey Guns]

Oh, yeah...

I also believe that the entire narrative of cops wantonly shooting blacks and that there's systemic racism in law enforcement is complete bullshit. Yet here we are, being fed that as fact every single day. Nothing supports either narrative. The numbers sure don't support it. Pretty much the only place where you can find support for that nonsense is the news media and social media.

[Bailey Guns]

Why not. NYPD did that after some democrat mayor pushed for a more inclusive police force. So...............they dropped the denial for felons with non-violent crimes to be accepted . Which they later rescinded.

That all inclusive has bitten more than one political ass.

Some people have an uncanny ability to read what has not been written. Everyone does it occasionally...I'm talking about people that make it a lifestyle. That's why I felt the need to clarify. Even so, I know I'll be back here trying to point out to someone that's intellectually challenged that I didn't say that. You know it's gonna happen.

I'll try that "preemptive de-escalation" technique that worked so well in Seattle.


I didn't say that.

[MrPrena]

This is not towards the regular, but those who are lurking this page.

This issue is NOT about Republican/Democrats. It is NOT about Black/Blue. It is NOT about dui/ticket.
If someone hijacked your vehicle and try to run you over, would you try to second guess? "Oh, is this criminal who stole my car and using it as a weapon trying to run me over? or is he going to dodge me?

[Irving]

I actually agree on the more training thing, even to the point that I would walk my earlier suggestion of everyone going to Jiu jitsu classes. Suggesting more training is the same nonsense that people cling on to and endlessly repeat to say something in a conversation, without actually saying anything. Training isn't the issue. Like in any business, training is an on-going thing that is happening all the time.

I think having so much immunity is the bigger issue. A similar example is how people treat each other online compared to face to face, and that includes me.

[Bailey Guns]

Well I'm just as much of an asshole in the real world as I am online. I can't use the internet as an excuse.

[Gman]

Atlanta police see 'higher than usual number of call outs' after charges announced against officers

Blue flu...

Earlier suggestions that multiple officers from each zone had walked off the job were inaccurate. The department is experiencing a higher than usual number of call outs with the incoming shift. We have enough resources to maintain operations & remain able to respond to incidents.

[BPTactical]

Atlanta police see 'higher than usual number of call outs' after charges announced against officers

Blue flu...

Already been disproved. 4 out of 6 precincts walked out at shift change.