ATF proposal for "ghost guns"

[00tec]

I black powder legal to make at home?

I suspect if medieval alchemists could do it, it isnt that hard.

It's really only 3 ingredients

https://www.skylighter.com/collectio...s-black-powder

Not that I have any of these kits laying aroud...

[hollohas]

Funny. That "ball mill" from the skylighter instructions looks suspiciously like my wet tumbler for cleaning brass...Harbor Freight FTW.

[00tec]

Funny. That "ball mill" from the skylighter instructions looks suspiciously like my wet tumbler for cleaning brass...Harbor Freight FTW.

That's exactly what it is, and exactly what I forgot to grab at HF the other day.

Firing golf balls gets expensive on commercial powder

[esaabye]

So I was trying to make a comment of the rule proposal but I can’t seem to find it. Does anyone have a link for the comments?

[00tec]

So I was trying to make a comment of the rule proposal but I can’t seem to find it. Does anyone have a link for the comments?

It's at the very bottom of the proposal

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...submit-comment

[esaabye]

Yes, I follow the comment link to the Regulations.gov page where I can not find the atf rule to comment on, every search term I can think of comes up with nothing.

[DDT951]

So here is a question.

The proposed rule:

For purposes of this definition, the term ?partially complete,? as it modifies ?frame or receiver,? means a forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it is clearly identifiable as an unfinished component part of a weapon.



Is this clearly identifiable as a component?



(edit.... i cannot make picture work... but it is airsoft so you get the idea)

[CS1983]

"clearly identifiable" seems like a very movable goalpost, since their definition of "readily convertible" seems to involve specialized tools and multiple hours...

[Frac]

"clearly identifiable" seems like a very movable goalpost, since their definition of "readily convertible" seems to involve specialized tools and multiple hours...

I agree with you. It is far too ambiguous and that leaves interpretation to political whim.

They did their homework and included footnotes that cite case law that sets the standard for the time it takes to complete.

I still don?t understand how rulemaking applies here. The law states the requirements (in the proposal they try to address this and say it isn?t clear. But it is clear). The courts have ruled on how the law is to be interpreted (see the brief about 2020 acquittal for illegally manufacturing AR-15 lowers). This decision should be earth shattering, and only legislation can change it. This proposal is a poorly concealed overreach of the separation of powers.

[brutal]

Then this is clearly a ghost gun: