Islam Perversion My Butt!

[rockhound]

10 million,

this seems to a number the left is willing to dismiss a lot,

10 million illegals, 10 million islamic extremists, eh what can they do to us?

[jim02]

To appease the mathematically challenged, 1% of a billion is 10 million.

Carry on.

Ah you got me

[Mtn.man]

I ride the short bus.

[BigBear]

Wow...

MY religon teaches love, not nessecarily peace. But through love, peace may come. MY religion tells me to love people into change. MY religon tells me to love the person but hate the sin. I love you all and I would fight next to y'all and die for y'all and the freedoms we have in this country.

All I ask is that people do their research. Stop using passages of the Bible or the Qua'ran/Koran/Torah/etc out of context.

Stuff like "God said go kill in x Kings xx:xx" is not true. It is a device used by people to scew facts and create a falsehood. If you'll read the verses around it you'll see that it's most often in context of a historical account of a war/occupation. Also, verses out of the Old Testment are not relevant since the "New covenant" (New Testament). oh bother...

It doesn't matter. The point is, we are all sinners. ALL. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

There are good Christians, there are bad Christians. There are good Muslims, there are bad Muslims.

IMO, Islam is not a religon to be "tolerated". Like Christianity, they are about converting people to their veiw. However, with Christianity it is taught with love, with Islam, it is taught with the sword.

Sorry to piss some of you off. I love our country and it is going to hell because people are too PC, too tolerant, and have no morals/standards or ethincs/values. There is no responsibilty and people don't recognize the concept of absolute truth anymore.

I'm done. Flame suit on. Probably won't respond. Take care.

[Byte Stryke]

Kind of a double edged sword ???

Wow, that sounds like some serious contempt for religion. I refuse to get into a debate about religion, but I'll tell you that I once felt the same way and changed my mind. Everyone can have their opinions, and I love that about America, but it does sound like a battle when you put forth such a statement. For folks with no religious belief, and I was one of them, it may sound like a load of crap but it's a load of crap that 4/5ths of the world believes in (all religions).

atheists.

a group of people who have a certain common set of beliefs regarding the nature of the universe, and think that anyone who disagrees with them is wrong.

yeah. that's not like a religion at all.

weak spin.

I have my beliefs, Nowhere close to Atheist, they don't have a label.
My Beliefs also dont call for me to go out and Murder people that believe differently than I do, or oppress them into giving up their belief systems for mine.

But that was a nice assumption, however ill-founded, shallow-minded and incorrect it might be.

I Couldn't give a shit less what you believe or what name you give your god, that's your business. If you want to worship the flying spaghetti monster, that's your Business. If you come after others and want to Murder them, rape their women and bury their children in mass graves because some guy scribbles it down in a book and says its the word of (Insert Deity), THEN it becomes everyone's business.

My point is that all of these "religions" that profess violence against anyone that doesn't believe "exactly as They do then you need to be killed" are wrong. This is further twisted by Clerics, Popes, Immans to their own gain using the ignorant unwashed masses to do their bidding with promises of rewards in the afterlife and I have a problem with that. I Also have a problem with one group thinking its all the other guys fault because "we never do such thing, THEY are the Barbarians, not us!" when in truth, no one is without fault. No Church is without its Crimes and no Nation is without its Genocides and crimes.

It's Fear Mongering, Plain and Simple.

[SA Friday]

The detritus of religions discussed in this thread are many of the points that have led me to agnosticism. As I've gotten older, I just cannot overlook the shortfalls found in all religions, and have come to the conclusion they are more about controlling the masses and defining the privileged than they are about understanding anything.

BUT, I would be one of the first to defend any religion lawfully practiced in this country from unlawful acts. To define any religion as having the destructive power to destroy this country overlooks the underlying strength of it's citizens and the power of the constitution.

[jim02]

If you come after others and want to Murder them, rape their women and bury their children in mass graves because some guy scribbles it down in a book and says its the word of (Insert Deity), THEN it becomes everyone's business.

My point is that all of these "religions" that profess violence against anyone that doesn't believe "exactly as They do then you need to be killed" are wrong. This is further twisted by Clerics, Popes, Immans to their own gain using the ignorant unwashed masses to do their bidding with promises of rewards in the afterlife and I have a problem with that. I Also have a problem with one group thinking its all the other guys fault because "we never do such thing, THEY are the Barbarians, not us!" when in truth, no one is without fault. No Church is without its Crimes and no Nation is without its Genocides and crimes.

It's Fear Mongering, Plain and Simple.

So by your logic because somewhere down the line someone in our names commited wrongs, no amount of good can be done to recover from those wrongs so we must accept our fate as infidels and lay down and be destroyed and if we wont accept that fate we are fear mongers.

Just trying to feel you out here and understand where you actualy stand, was America wrong to drop the A-bombs on Japan?
9/11 was an inside job?
We owe the American indians for the land we took to create this country?
The southwest belongs to Mexico?
White people owe people of color because this country was built on the backs of slaves and they have yet to be given a fair shake at the American dream?

And let me add, at this point I'm in this for a friendly debate on what some people define as some touchy subjects, dont take it personal please and lets try and have a friendly discussion.

[Byte Stryke]

So by your logic because somewhere down the line someone in our names commited wrongs, no amount of good can be done to recover from those wrongs so we must accept our fate as infidels and lay down and be destroyed and if we wont accept that fate we are fear mongers.

Just trying to feel you out here and understand where you actualy stand, was America wrong to drop the A-bombs on Japan?
9/11 was an inside job?
We owe the American indians for the land we took to create this country?
The southwest belongs to Mexico?
White people owe people of color because this country was built on the backs of slaves and they have yet to be given a fair shake at the American dream?

I Dont know you but you are making a hell off allot of assumptions on my part and putting a shitload of words in my mouth. Ive said nothing of the sort.

and the word is "ACTUALLY" and "Committed" we call it spell-check
You don't owe me shit.
I'm Not speaking for others.

[RobertB]

Wow, talk about straw-manning an argument. Byte never suggested anything of the sort.

"Here let me make up some ridiculous examples that I claim logically follow from what you've said."

[BigBear]

I'll play!!!

was America wrong to drop the A-bombs on Japan? No, I personally think we waited too long.

9/11 was an inside job? Not inside, but I feel like we didn't do everything we could've to stop it.

We owe the American indians for the land we took to create this country? I don't think we owe anyone anything. However, I do think we could lend them a little more respect and help. They are also "Americans".

The southwest belongs to Mexico? It will in a few decades... hahaha

White people owe people of color because this country was built on the backs of slaves and they have yet to be given a fair shake at the American dream? Bull, in today's age, blacks have the same chances as whites. I'd argue they even have a leg up in some instances (scholarships, etc).

And let me add, at this point I'm in this for a friendly debate on what some people define as some touchy subjects, dont take it personal please and lets try and have a friendly discussion. Ditto my friend, "Bring it"!!