Most Inherently Accurate Full-Auto...

[BPTactical]

Interesting, thanks for the history/info lesson. I knew the '06 and .308 very pretty similiar but didn't realize they were the same family.

So how about your thoughts on AK vs G3? Or is there just no room for comparison as they were intended for differing roles?

Apples to Oranges Bear
One is an "Assault rifle" (AK)
An assault rifle is defined as a selective firerifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine
The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[6] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.
The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[7][8][9]

• It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
• It must be capable of selective fire;
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine.
• And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters

The other is a "Main Battle Rifle" (G3)
The battle rifle's power and long-range accuracy are intended to engage targets at long distances[1][2], but this comes with a trade-off of length and weight that make it relatively cumbersome in close-quarter combat. Also, the recoil of a full-size cartridge makes most battle rifles difficult to control when using full-automatic fire, though a few designs have attempted to control this tendency.[3][4]
In contrast, assault rifles fire smaller intermediate-size cartridges such as the 5.56x45mm NATO round used in the M16, Chinese 5.8x42mm used in the QBZ-95 or the Russian moderate-velocity 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm cartridges of the AK-47, AKM, and AK-74 series of rifles. However, some overlapping of rifle design and cartridge application occurs; for example a few relatively compact selective-fire rifles in 7.62x51mm NATO caliber have been produced.
2 different tools.

Note-seriously plagerized from Wikipedia- can I get my $300,000 now

[BigBear]

Lol, rgr, thank you again. I don't have the $300,000 nor can bail you out of jail, but I will definitely buy you a beer or something if we ever have the opportunity to meet. Sounds like the best idea would be an assult rifle then. Back to AK vs. M16....

So I guess in modern combat the main battle rifle is going the way of the dinosaur?

[BPTactical]

The MBR is alive and well. Look at Afghanistan- you have engagements that are taking place across valleys. You need the distance capability that a rifle cartridge offers and the Military has been pulling M14's out of mothballs for Designated Marksman rifles.


Just pick the right tool for the task you are performing.

[Hoser]

Can you expound a little on "why" you choose that Hoser? I did thoughourly enjoy the M16 I got to shoot.

Of all the full autos that I have played with that are as pre 86 guns, the M-16 and its versions are the easiest to shoot full auto. Low recoil/sight movement, good trigger, good mags, not a lot of sharp edges, cheap ammo, ect is why I said M-16.

The MP-5 or HK-53 are also on the short list for the same reasons.

The P90 and MP-7 are also very easy to shoot, but are all post 86 guns.

[rtr]

It really depends a lot on what type of "field carry" and "knock down" you need along with what level of accuracy you expect.

IMO full auto and "accurate" are kind of mutually exclusive. In semi auto an M16 or MP5 are both pretty accurate, although the MP5 loses accuracy at longer distances since it's a pistol cartridge.

Furthermore "field carrying" a weapon that likely is worth over $10K may not be a great idea, I also don't know what the law says about carrying an NFA weapon around, likely depends on where you're carrying it I suppose.

For me full autos are just fun range toys, my biggest criteria is how expensive it is to feed, so for me a 9mm or .22LR are the best bets.

[BigBear]

Of all the full autos that I have played with that are as pre 86 guns, ... but are all post 86 guns.

So what is the difference between the pre and post era guns if they both perform full auto functions? I feel like I'm missing something. Is it just that the pre-'86 are more rare and civilians can't own any post era'86's??

It really depends a lot on what type of "field carry" and "knock down" you need along with what level of accuracy you expect.

IMO full auto and "accurate" are kind of mutually exclusive. In semi auto an M16 or MP5 are both pretty accurate, although the MP5 loses accuracy at longer distances since it's a pistol cartridge.

Furthermore "field carrying" a weapon that likely is worth over $10K may not be a great idea, I also don't know what the law says about carrying an NFA weapon around, likely depends on where you're carrying it I suppose.

For me full autos are just fun range toys, my biggest criteria is how expensive it is to feed, so for me a 9mm or .22LR are the best bets.

RTR, thanks for your input. Eventually if I ever could afford one of these it would be a safe queen and range toy only. I was just thinking about our military fighting overseas and how people talk about teh 5.56 not having the "umph" to have a clean knockdown or keep a straight trajectory through objects (windshields, etc) at distance and blah, blah, blah so I was thinking up a "want list" of criteria for a battle weapon and wondering what was out there that people have had experience with.

[Irving]

Civilians can't own post '86.

[BigBear]

Civilians can't own post '86.

Rgr, I was wondering if there was something else.

Also, another interesting thought... Just saw something about a Thompson in a magazine... but I guess we've already been over that due to it being a pistol caliber....

[Irving]

A belt fed with the tri-pod attached at the end of the barrel might be decently accurate.

Where does the BAR come in on this list? I figured it'd be mentioned.

[gcrookston]

Perhaps the most accurate full - auto rifle I've ever fired was a Browning M1918A2. Due to its weight, rather slow rate of fire and the bi-bod, it was easy to control and quite pleasant to shoot.

I owned a fleming sear registered in 3 calibers and played with it in an SBR HK94 (MP5 clone), HK43 and HK91. I've also shot an M14, several M16s in both 5.56 and 9mm, a vietnam bringback Chinese AK47 and an 08 Maxim/Spandau -- none of these weapons produced the groups I was able to achieve with the BAR during automatic fire.