Getting jumped or mugged

[Dusty Johnson]

This is basically a "what if" situation but I wanted peoples thoughts and opinions please.

Let's say you are a carrying concealed legally and 2-3 guys confront you telling you to give them your money, jewelry, wallet etc. These 2-3 guys have no guns or knives drawn but threaten to beat the shit out of you if you do not comply. We will say they are 5-7 yards away with nothing in between you and them and they are closing.

What would you do?

Would you be justified in shooting them? Will hands/feet/legs stand up in court as "deadly weapons"?

Thanks for any opinions and thoughts.

[gcrookston]

Hypothetically, they are an immediate threat and I would utilize whatever assets I had to defend myself.

[Byte Stryke]

These 2-3 guys have no guns or knives drawn but threaten to beat the shit out of you if you do not comply.

COLORADO STATUTES REGARDING DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE AND CARRYING
CONCEALED FIREARMS
18-1-704 Use Of Physical Force In Defense Of A Person
1. Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force
upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use
or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he
reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.
2. Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is
inadequate and:
a) The actor has reasonable grounds to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent
danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or
b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a
dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections
18-4-202 to 184-204; or
c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section
18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 184-301 or 184-302, sexual assault as set forth in section
18-3-402 or 18-3-403, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 or 18-3-203.
3. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) of this section, a person is not justified in using physical
force if:
a) With intent to cause bodily injury or death to another person, he provokes the use of unlawful physical
force by that other person; or
b) He is the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under the
circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other
person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force;
or
c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

http://www.bouldercounty.org/sheriff...itInfoPack.pdf


Usually all of this is covered in your Class and it is ALWAYS available in your permit pack.
MOST LEOs will also answer questions in this regard if you approach it in a sincere manner.



All advice is that of a NON Attorney, it is only cited as free advice. all legal questions SHOULD be referred to your attorney

[Irving]

I was jumped by two guys before. However, had I been carrying a gun at the time, it would have been murder if I had used it.

[Byte Stryke]

I was jumped by two guys before. However, had I been carrying a gun at the time, it would have been murder if I had used it.

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Explain?

[gnihcraes]

Turn and burn if at all possible. Use the surroundings to keep distance between you and them. Trained for this many times in karate class. If they get too close and are determined to physically harm and I see no other options, a weapon would be displayed and possibly used. I'm also going based on what I recently saw in the video tapes of the people being attacked at the gas station on broadway. No weapons, but fear of bodily harm by beating was an active there.

[cstone]

Regardless of how you handle the situation, you will be judged by people who weren't there and cannot know what was in your mind at the time it was happening. If you have any conscience, you will relive those moments and have doubts for many years if not the rest of your life.

If you have a gun and you believe that one (number doesn't matter) person is about to cause you serious bodily injury or death with their hands and or feet, you can be reasonably sure they will take your gun if they find it and finish the job. If you won't use it, don't carry it.

Its a cliche but it expresses the point: Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

[Irving]

Hold on, the fights are on. Basically some dicks were hopped up on shit and looking for trouble in the parking garage. They stood in front of my car so I couldn't drive out. When the prick finally moved, he kicked my car as I drove by. I stopped, got out and got beat up. I'd never been in a fight before. I shouldn't have gotten beat up, but I didn't do anything.

[hurley842002]

While you would certainly be justified, you'd really have to weigh the consequences. I can A) Toss the guys my wallet, and hopefully they will go away (I don't usually carry cash anyway), or I can B) Use lethal force, and risk ruining my financial future paying attorneys fees, not to mention the guys robbing you, will likely sue you. Just something to think about. Now if you toss the wallet, and they are still looking to do you harm, then by all means, do what you need to do.

[Byte Stryke]

While you would certainly be justified, you'd really have to weigh the consequences. I can A) Toss the guys my wallet, and hopefully they will go away (I don't usually carry cash anyway), or I can B) Use lethal force, and risk ruining my financial future paying attorneys fees, not to mention the guys robbing you, will likely sue you. Just something to think about. Now if you toss the wallet, and they are still looking to do you harm, then by all means, do what you need to do.

I Agree...
by all means use any option available to you:
go into a shop
Call out to someone as if you know them.
throw the wallet to them
always try to keep distance between you and them

AS A LAST RESORT:
It is better to use your weapon on someone else than it is to have them use it on you.


I Have often wondered if in a situation like that, Pull to Ready, Menacing?
I would say "non-lethal deterrent"
but that's me.