Freedom called .........

[Scanker19]

It said "that's it, I'm outta here"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_war_pr...pphu-container

I knew this would happen when we did this. He says blah, blah, protest. then our citizens get arrested for Peaceful assembly.

When the american protest grows big enough they will use violence against us. Just as he demanded Libya to stop.

What's good for the goose, will shut the gander the fuck up.

[Marlin]

Did they get a permit before they started?

If the "t's" are crossed and the "i's" are dotted And, the fee payed..


If not, all bets are off.

[mitch]

Holy shit? The US Army shot and killed those protestors in front of the White House? We attacked them with mortar fire and F111's?

No?

Then why are we comparing arrest of a Daniel "Traitor" Eisenberg to the killing of women and children in Libya? Remind me again how arrest for refusing a lawful order is the same as the military killing women and children?

[Scanker19]

Holy shit? The US Army shot and killed those protestors in front of the White House? We attacked them with mortar fire and F111's?

No?

Then why are we comparing arrest of a Daniel "Traitor" Eisenberg to the killing of women and children in Libya? Remind me again how arrest for refusing a lawful order is the same as the military killing women and children?

not yet.

I'm sure the mideast protests started semi peacefully. Besides I don't think I was comparing the two, but where does it stop. When do the "lawful Orders" stop or begin. Who would be Mildly upset if a "lawful order" shut down this site.
Although I don't agree with the protest of the arrest of Brad Retard manning. It just seems they don't like what we (americans) have to say.

[porfiriozg]

Did they get a permit before they started?

If the "t's" are crossed and the "i's" are dotted And, the fee payed..


If not, all bets are off.

that the reason nothing get done in the US anymore you have to do a months worth of paper work before you can start work, even if the job only takes an hour.
I love this country as much as anyone else, and I'm joining the navy soon. but WTF

[mitch]

Ok, I'll say it. We (the USA) don't want Libya to fall. We are only attacking them tonight because (in my opinion) the UN moved faster than we thought they would. Given a choice, Obama would (rightfully) let him kill all his civilians, and I can't fault the logic in letting him do so. It might be the asshole thing to do, but it would be in the best interests of the US to let Mommar stay in control.

Remember folks, 60% (and up to 80% by some reports) of the foreign fighters in Iraq are either SA's or Libyan. We saw what happens when we overthrow a dictator who can keep his people under his thumb. Without knowing how Egypt will turn out, why risk letting Libya go leaderless for a few years?


But, back to the point on the White House protestors. This is no different than the arrests of the protestors in WI over the past few weeks. When the cops tell you to clear out, clear out. If you don't then you get 3 squares and a cot for a while.

I didn't cry when Cindy Nutbag staged an arrest, and I won't cry over these dirty hippies either.

[Scanker19]

You should care. This a constitutional issue at hand. I could care less what they are protesting, be it war, funerals, or popsicles. Assembly is a right. Not a right you, me or anyone else has to agree with. Getting a permit to assembly is along the lines of a FOID card in IL. Its restricting rights of us, the american people so that the powers that be can decide who is "worthy" of said rights.

Who would be mad if they searched everyone on I-25 for Bombs to prevent terrorism?

We can't have it both ways we either follow the constitution to the T, or not. We can't circumvent it to our convenience, that's how we get GOV ran healthcare or Assault weapons bans, illegal search and seizures, and restricting freedom of speech because a few don't like it. Or worse people don't care.

Rant off.

[Byte Stryke]

Holy shit? The US Army shot and killed those protestors in front of the White House? We attacked them with mortar fire and F111's?

No?

Then why are we comparing arrest of a Daniel "Traitor" Eisenberg to the killing of women and children in Libya? Remind me again how arrest for refusing a UNLAWFUL order is the same as the military killing women and children?

Fixed it for you

and in Case you have forgotten due to state media influences
Hint: it's the first one.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yeah, I didn't see "pay a state sanction tax" or "apply for permit" anywhere in there.

One thing so many subjects, I mean Citizens, are forgetting is that the Bill of rights is 24/7/365. Its not "only when its convenient" or "Whenever the state says it's OK"
INALIENABLE

convenience quote:

in·alien·able

adj
\(ˌ)i-ˈnāl-yə-nə-bəl, -ˈnā-lē-ə-nə-\
Definition of INALIENABLE

: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred <inalienable rights>

— in·alien·abil·i·ty \-ˌnāl-yə-nə-ˈbi-lə-tē, -ˌnā-lē-ə-nə-\ noun
— in·alien·ably \-ˈnāl-yə-nə-blē, -ˈnā-lē-ə-nə-\ adverb
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So, With all of that I ask you this:

Can any officer of the state/Union lawfully give an order that violates, restricts or removes a an inalienable right granted under the U.S Constitution?

Lawfully violating the amendments of the constitution?

[JohnTRourke]

You should care. This a constitutional issue at hand. I could care less what they are protesting, be it war, funerals, or popsicles. Assembly is a right. Not a right you, me or anyone else has to agree with. Getting a permit to assembly is along the lines of a FOID card in IL. Its restricting rights of us, the american people so that the powers that be can decide who is "worthy" of said rights.

Who would be mad if they searched everyone on I-25 for Bombs to prevent terrorism?

We can't have it both ways we either follow the constitution to the T, or not. We can't circumvent it to our convenience, that's how we get GOV ran healthcare or Assault weapons bans, illegal search and seizures, and restricting freedom of speech because a few don't like it. Or worse people don't care.

Rant off.

well said

although freedom died a long time ago
we live in a police state, but no one seems to care.

don't think so?
think I'm wrong?

In the 1930's, we all made fun of nazi germany because citizens of germany could be forced to stop for no reason and show their papers to be allowed to travel.
now we have:
"random" DUI stops
TSA groping
etc

No way would anyone of the 1930's have imagined that, yet here we are?

We have so many police (because the peace officers are long gone) that they have nothing better to do but enforce the laws for money/fishing expeditions (or do you think that cops sitting on the side of the road running radar is for your safety?)

and we have this week here in longmont, the SWAT team with full M16 rifles, black ski masks, black boots, black vests (remind you of anything, I'll give you a hint: 1938 Germany) going in to a medical MJ shop to shut it down because of a code violation. Really, do you feel safer?

In the fine words of Jerry Pournelle:
"Freedom is not free, free men are not equal, equal men are not free. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. We would not have permitted King George to do this.?"

[alxone]

just a thought
Maybe one of the reasons the government is so hot to prevent protesting and make it unlawful is because thats all we do (as americans ) . The rest of the world has been waiting for us to act . If all we do is protest and try to get bills passed then its no wonder they keep stripping our rights away .
They do something we dont like and then distract us with a shiny ball just to do something else we dont like , just to show use another shiny ball .
People say vote to change and then you ask them who they voted for . The usual answer is "the lesser of 2 evils " .Correct me if im wrong , isn't a vote for the lesser of two evils still a vote for evil ?? If your neighbor or employer took something , taxed you or changed the rules as often as our government dose , what would you do ? You would quit that job or go fight that person responsible ect . the point im trying to make is unless people are willing to stop voting for scumbags and get out there and physically stand up for what they believe in more and of this will happen .

I think ideas like organized open carry day are great (although if something goes to wrong ,like a shooting, were all screwed!!! ) . they say you have to regester your guns in maryland , i move . they say you cant hardly look at a gun in California , ill never live there . Yes like most folks id rather not get into it with the government , but if there are enough people backed into a corner ill bet we see some nasty change . Its too bad that its coming to that , but with a bad economy and more rules , nothing good can come of it .