USPSA rifle ?

[Zak Smith]

Hey guys,

Besides the excellent Pueblo rifle matches, we already shoot 3-Gun at Weld County every month. If you want to try out the concept, I'd be happy to have 3 or even 4 rifle stages some month. We have a match coming up there on July 23rd. We don't shoot paper on the 200 meter berm, but I often set up 6" plates to shoot from offhand, rollover prone, the wobbly platform, and a host of other evil things.

Or you could register for the Thunder Beast Team Challenge in November in NM. It's going to be all carbine plus rifle.

-z

[MarkCO]

Chuck, come on out and try a MG match at CRCPS and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Holstering hot IS legal in USPSA, and several did so at the last CRCPS MG match. We have a LOT of steel on the way too. Also, the 2011 Provisional rules are Time Plus. Essentially, through some vocal protests and comunication to the ADs, USPSA has modified their rules to be in concert with what the shooters asked for. I also hope more change is coming...

The benefit of history is that is provides a good book of what works and what does not, hopefully we learn... The collective group of shooters should have a say in what kind of matches are run, which has been my goal from the get go.

As for the matches being sold out...Until 3GN, only Benning actually ever sold out such that people who wanted to shoot could not. 3GN has brought in a bunch of USPSA pistol shooters...good or bad, into 3Gun, it just is that way.

Again, come shoot a CRCPS MG match and let me know what you think. I choose to look at it as a process...taking good input from all rather than anything being in stone.

[MarkCO]

Maybe if there was also a class for .30 cal shooters. Kinda like heavy metal or he-man in 3 gun.

You can shoot .30 caliber in USPSA. Major and minor scoring can be used in both USPSA Rifle and USPSA Precision Rifle.

[Hoser]

Maybe Hosers rifle matches could be pretty close to it.

A few years back when Eddie Rhodes and a few of us decided to turn our 3-gun matches into rifle only matches we had a few goals in mind.

A. Shoot rifles like rifles, not pistols. Sure an occasional QCB stage every once in a while is fun, but over and over is not.

B. Challenge all shooters, new and experienced. That is the hardest part to accomplish by far.

C. Take advantage of the space and lack of restrictions Pueblo imposes on us.

As of right now we run 3 stages with mostly steel/reactive targets. The standards stage average range is 150 yards but no further than 200 yards. The stage we used to consider the long range stage is 300 yards max. This year we added a new place to shoot up on our shotgun berms. Most of the shots are 150-250 yards with a full sized IPSC target at 375-450 yards.

We don't use much paper as it is a lot more RO and assistants intensive.

USPSA shot themselves in the foot with regards to 3-gun and precision rifle. It is going to take a long time for many of us to have any faith in them where anything other than a pistol is concerned.

[Zak Smith]

As for the matches being sold out...Until 3GN, only Benning actually ever sold out such that people who wanted to shoot could not. 3GN has brought in a bunch of USPSA pistol shooters...good or bad, into 3Gun, it just is that way.

SMM3G has sold out for years, since I shot it in 2004. RM3G has sold out for years. The field/long-range style matches usually sell out in seconds (online) or on the first day for mail-in signup. Chuck's point holds..

[VNgunfighter]

You can shoot .30 caliber in USPSA. Major and minor scoring can be used in both USPSA Rifle and USPSA Precision Rifle.

What is USPSA Precision RIfle?

Seriously?????

[VNgunfighter]

Chuck, come on out and try a MG match at CRCPS and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Holstering hot IS legal in USPSA, and several did so at the last CRCPS MG match. We have a LOT of steel on the way too. Also, the 2011 Provisional rules are Time Plus. Essentially, through some vocal protests and comunication to the ADs, USPSA has modified their rules to be in concert with what the shooters asked for. I also hope more change is coming...

The benefit of history is that is provides a good book of what works and what does not, hopefully we learn... The collective group of shooters should have a say in what kind of matches are run, which has been my goal from the get go.

As for the matches being sold out...Until 3GN, only Benning actually ever sold out such that people who wanted to shoot could not. 3GN has brought in a bunch of USPSA pistol shooters...good or bad, into 3Gun, it just is that way.

Again, come shoot a CRCPS MG match and let me know what you think. I choose to look at it as a process...taking good input from all rather than anything being in stone.

SOF was always full, and there was a long wait list to get into this match.

[Hoser]

What is USPSA Precision RIfle?

Seriously?????

They called it Manually Operated Rifle, aka bolt gun.

Didn't last long. Went from page 1 to a footnote in under a year or so.

We tried it (MOR) at Pueblo for a year, maybe a bit longer.

[VNgunfighter]

They called it Manually Operated Rifle, aka bolt gun.

Didn't last long. Went from page 1 to a footnote in under a year or so.

We tried it (MOR) at Pueblo for a year, maybe a bit longer.

HAHA......I knew what it was. I shot it every year they had it (MOR).

Are they thinking, naming is something different will be more appealing??

I think not.

Your MOR matches were way more advanced and challenging than any USPSA concept.

[C Ward]

Mark , sooner or later I'll make it out there . With work for the last 3 years or so I've had to be selective about what I can shoot and the shoulder has been less tolerant of the shotgun so sadly 3gun has been on hold for the most part . Eric said that the stages were good on the match that he shot when he came out .

Looking at the IPSC stages that were posted they are all stand and shoot speed shoots with minimal movement for the most part . The Colorado 3gun crowd is both blessed and cursed with the natural terrain field courses that have become the norm in the area . Everybody that I shoot with on a regular basis would always rather shoot a field course over a square range stand and shoot any day . The typical 10 - 20 round 5 second USPSA course just doesn't interest us .

One thing over the years that has been noticed is the fact regardless of the weapons system that by practicing / competing with targets farther and smaller than the norm that shooting up close becomes exponentially easier . So in my mind the people that want to shoot real fast , real close like a Magpul video are short changing themselves in the end .

On the front range the PWSA carbine match is as good as it gets in my opinion . About the only thing that would make it better is more natural terrain . That is a function of the range and not the match itself and out of Hoser's control and He worked hard to get to shoot over by the shotgun traps . The best way to describe the direction the PWSA match has gone is to say Eddie would have liked it .