Funny email from a crazy liberal

[SA Friday]

There is only one way that crazy can be trumped...

I'll let our friend Barney Stinson explain it to you.

. Healthcare schmealthcare. This is the nugget of wisdom in this thread.

Hot vs Crazy adequately summarized by y=x. genius.

[Hoser]

They all got snakes in their head.

Sometimes the snakes are poisonous.

At least Medusa wears hers on the outside so you know what you are getting.

[sniper7]

At least she is strong on her viewpoints. But my response toher would have been that if she likes canadas system so well on healthcare and gun control and marriage and abortion rights then she needs to get the hell out pf my country. Just like the libfucks from cali. Don't come here and try to change things to the fucked up system you came from.

[Irving]

Just like the libfucks from cali. Don't come here and try to change things to the fucked up system you came from.

So if you moved to California you vote straight Democrat for your entire time living there right?

[nynco]

At least she is strong on her viewpoints. But my response toher would have been that if she likes canadas system so well on healthcare and gun control and marriage and abortion rights then she needs to get the hell out pf my country. Just like the libfucks from cali. Don't come here and try to change things to the fucked up system you came from.

Why do you guys who are against universal healthcare automatically assume all systems are like Canada or England? We are the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare. There are countless other systems out there to look at too. We have the benefit of being able to learn from all the systems as to what works and what does not. Obamas remedy was horrible in my opinion. He did not change any of the root rot. He only made it worse by forcing Americans to have to buy into the current mess.

Equal rights for gays and abortion rights.... well the real conservative (not religious right position) is to let the individual decide. I agree with people like Barry Goldwater on these issues.

[roberth]

It covers 100% of Germany's citizens costs half as much as our system. It has just as good and sometimes results that surpass ours. You can choose any Dr you want. You can chose to use homeopathy methods of medicine if you want. German apothecaries deal in both regular western medicine and natural methods too. Which to me it is best to use all methods rather than just one. There is no "for profit" motive. The only motive is proper healthcare. The whole system is nonprofit based. You have options who you want for your insurance carrier and all companies who want to legally do business in Germany are required to pay into the system. This makes it so everyone pays, not just the wealthy or those lucky enough to still have a job that gives you insurance. This also prevents a system where those people pick up the tab for everyone else.

Our system is beyond broke. May all the insurance companies burn to the ground.

I would argue that the major troublemaker in the U.S. healthcare system is the government of the United States.

Byte - care to comment since you have first hand experience?

[nynco]

I lived in Germany for over 5 years and grew up close enough to stumble home drunk from Canada. I have seen other systems too.

The major trouble maker in the US healthcare mess is for profit insurance companies. No company should be in the business of making more profits by killing more Americans. Its just downright wrong. No (civilized) country in the world lets their medical insurance operate in a for profit model. It is also my opinion that many of them have gotten so big that they are defacto monopolies. Esp in some states. That is not the free market, that is markets that are distorted by economies of size rather than free competition. Our whole system is broken. I know, I worked in it for years. We had two people in our small office whose entire job was nothing more than arguing against the medical insurance companies to get people like you even the most basic care.

[roberth]

Why do you guys who are against universal healthcare automatically assume all systems are like Canada or England? We are the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare. There are countless other systems out there to look at too. We have the benefit of being able to learn from all the systems as to what works and what does not. Obamas remedy was horrible in my opinion. He did not change any of the root rot. He only made it worse by forcing Americans to have to buy into the current mess.

Equal rights for gays and abortion rights.... well the real conservative (not religious right position) is to let the individual decide. I agree with people like Barry Goldwater on these issues.

Healthcare is not a right. Why you ask, because a right confers no obligation on another person. Each person must be held responsible for their own care and well being, if you fail then you perish unless another individual or group is VOLUNTARILY willing to help you.

This personal responsibility is utterly lost on a great many people.

After reading some on Germany's health care system a thought occurred to me. Where is their impetus to invent new medicines or procedures since the profit motive has been dissolved? Humans aren't that altruistic unless a gun is pointed at their head and then you can bet they won't be thinking about doing a good job, they'll be thinking about doing just enough to survive another day.

http://www.pharmatimes.com/article/1...Lilly_CEO.aspx

www.cges.umn.edu/docs/Dietz_Health_CareInnovation_CGES.pdf - This opens a PDF, you'll notice that there is a directive on page 14 re: individual prescription costs exceeded. Lots of government involvement which is 180 degrees from how things should be.

[nynco]

Healthcare is not a right. Why you ask, because a right confers no obligation on another person. Each person must be held responsible for their own care and well being, if you fail then you perish unless another individual or group is VOLUNTARILY willing to help you.

This personal responsibility is utterly lost on a great many people.

After reading some on Germany's health care system a thought occurred to me. Where is their impetus to invent new medicines or procedures since the profit motive has been dissolved? Humans aren't that altruistic unless a gun is pointed at their head and then you can bet they won't be thinking about doing a good job, they'll be thinking about doing just enough to survive another day.

Germany is just as cutting edge as the US. Seimans out of Europe is one of the largest makers of medical everything. Next time you get an MRI or CAT Scan or a Xray or a Ultra Sound, look at the brand name it might be them. There are also many German drug makers. There is also just as much new medical break through's coming out of Europe as the US. Our system here currently as it stands lets the for profit makers bribe our politicians to get federal funding or to allow them to steal patents from medical university and research institutions and tweak them just a little and then resell them to you for way more. There is a reason all those companies make a huge profit. The gamed the system. The let you the tax payer pay for 95% of the R&D and then they do 5%, patent it and make you pay more than you can afford.

As to healthcare as a right...... its a free country, we can decide how we treat our fellow Americans any time we want. You don't like it, well fight for the broke system we have now. Corporations have no God given rights in my opinion so if they can't afford to chip into the healthcare system then they have no right to incorporation. The founding fathers agree with me on the rights of corporations too. They were wary of them too.

[Hoosier]

Humans aren't that altruistic unless a gun is pointed at their head

This statement is false. There are a great many reasons that humans are altruistic to others. You don't see many guns pointed at heads around Christmas gift giving, for example. A great many people volunteer to work helping the poor (e.g. Doctors abroad), or work as civil servants making a fraction of what they should be paid (e.g. Armed Forces, Police, Fire, Teachers, EMT).

Some would argue that they do it for the satisfaction they derive from helping others, in that sense it's still selfish. That may indeed be the cause, but the net effect is the same.

I think it's fair to say that you could find a good many people willing to work for a decent wage to find a cure for cancer.

Citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism#Anthropology (If you don't like wikipedia as a citation, scroll down and refer to their links)

H.