9 Mm Vs 45 Acp

[Great-Kazoo]

One who practices with a 22
is far superior to one who doesn't
with a .45

YMMV

[mcantar18c]

As the great Mr. Heinlein said (in one of my favorite books) - "There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men."

Be a dangerous man.

That may be one of my new favorite quotes.
Be a dangerous man. I've been called dangerous and took it as a compliment by someone that got a peek at my EDC.
This applies to everything in your life.
You want guys to see you at the range and say "man, that guy's f*ckin dangerous" (and not talking about basic gun safety).
You want to be just as dangerous with an extension cord as you are with a dinner plate, a cup of coffee, a blade, or a gun.
This applies to ALL aspects of life. Business (business is war, after all), romance, raising your offspring, cooking meals. Anything and everything you do you should do well and should strive to be the best at it, be a danger to others who have the same goal.

/tangent

[TFOGGER]

That may be one of my new favorite quotes.
Be a dangerous man. I've been called dangerous and took it as a compliment by someone that got a peek at my EDC.
This applies to everything in your life.
You want guys to see you at the range and say "man, that guy's f*ckin dangerous" (and not talking about basic gun safety).
You want to be just as dangerous with an extension cord as you are with a dinner plate, a cup of coffee, a blade, or a gun.
This applies to ALL aspects of life. Business (business is war, after all), romance, raising your offspring, cooking meals. Anything and everything you do you should do well and should strive to be the best at it, be a danger to others who have the same goal.

/tangent

You sound like a scholar of Sun Tzu

[njsco]

I work in an operating room in a Hospital in Aurora and over the last few years have seen an increasing number of people with gunshots come into the OR/ER.

Though it is not possible to tell, from the wounds, what caliber the person was shot with, the ones who don't survive all have the same thing in common, multiple hits to the head or chest/abdomen.

The lesson for me is that if you want to kill someone, shoot them repeatedly with good center of body shots and/or head shots.

I personally shoot handguns for sport and use 9mm and .22 cal. I feel comfortable occasionally carrying a 9mm with defensive loads for protection. If I am ever in a situation where I need to defend my life with a 9mm I won't hesitate to shoot multiple times and I'll know it was justified. I do wonder though what lawyers have to say about firing more than once against a single target in a defense situation.

I think that for consistent defensive carry or law enforcement purposes, .45 cal or .40 cal might be a better choice than 9mm.

[mcantar18c]

You sound like a scholar of Sun Tzu

I wonder if I can change my forum handle

I do wonder though what lawyers have to say about firing more than once against a single target in a defense situation.

They were a threat. You stopped the threat. End of story.
To elaborate on that... they were a threat to you life or the life of another, and you acted only to stop the threat. You had no direct intention of killing or maiming, simply stopping the threat. Until he was on the ground and not moving, he was still a threat. You kept firing until you thought the threat was eliminated, no more and no less.
Also, see my sig...

I think that for consistent defensive carry or law enforcement purposes, .45 cal or .40 cal might be a better choice than 9mm.

That makes absolutely no sense.

[njsco]

Thanks mcantar18c for your reply.

When I said, "I think that for consistent defensive carry or law enforcement purposes, .45 cal or .40 cal might be a better choice than 9mm" I meant that my belief is that those rounds are probably more effective at incapacitating someone with fewer rounds fired than using a 9mm. For people who put themselves in situations where using a handgun, outside of the home, is possible i.e consistent defensive carry/law enforcement then actions will be very closely scrutinized. Stopping the target, not killing them is the objective. This is my belief, and like many, might not be correct.

I guess I am also a bit paranoid, this comes form working in the medical field where lawsuits and threats of them are routine.

And as I said before though, if someone threatens me and I feel my life is in jeopardy, I will fight to kill. For home defense I use a 12 gauge shotgun and have 9mm pistols available.

[Atrain1]

I work in an operating room in a Hospital in Aurora and over the last few years have seen an increasing number of people with gunshots come into the OR/ER.

Though it is not possible to tell, from the wounds, what caliber the person was shot with, the ones who don't survive all have the same thing in common, multiple hits to the head or chest/abdomen.

The lesson for me is that if you want to kill someone, shoot them repeatedly with good center of body shots and/or head shots.

I personally shoot handguns for sport and use 9mm and .22 cal. I feel comfortable occasionally carrying a 9mm with defensive loads for protection. If I am ever in a situation where I need to defend my life with a 9mm I won't hesitate to shoot multiple times and I'll know it was justified. I do wonder though what lawyers have to say about firing more than once against a single target in a defense situation.

I think that for consistent defensive carry or law enforcement purposes, .45 cal or .40 cal might be a better choice than 9mm.

When I was going through my tactical training I practiced 2 in the chest and one to the head. Now the problem for most people is once you are being shot at, your heart is racing and shot placement is going to be a big problem. So I say that for 2 reasons 1 I dont think any jury is going to put you behind bars for unloading a gun into a guy, that is threatining your life especialy if he has a gun, 2 a bigger caliber like a 45 will help if you are having problems with shot placement when your heart is racing, do to it being such a big slow moving bullet it will put the target down pretty much anywere you hit it. Now I think if you were to unload more than 1 mag into a guy, or shoot some one when they are running away is when you will have a problem.

[Bailey Guns]

When I was going through my tactical training I practiced 2 in the chest and one to the head. Now the problem for most people is once you are being shot at, your heart is racing and shot placement is going to be a big problem. So I say that for 2 reasons 1 I dont think any jury is going to put you behind bars for unloading a gun into a guy, that is threatining your life especialy if he has a gun, 2 a bigger caliber like a 45 will help if you are having problems with shot placement when your heart is racing, do to it being such a big slow moving bullet it will put the target down pretty much anywere you hit it. Now I think if you were to unload more than 1 mag into a guy, or shoot some one when they are running away is when you will have a problem.

Dude...where do you come up with this stuff? I have to say I'm always entertained by your posts.

[blacklabel]

So I say that for 2 reasons 1 I dont think any jury is going to put you behind bars for unloading a gun into a guy...

You might want to include a disclaimer that you're not a lawyer when you give terrible advice.

[Atrain1]

Dude...where do you come up with this stuff? I have to say I'm always entertained by your posts.

Have you ever been shot at?