9 Mm Vs 45 Acp

[DFBrews]

What do you mean about the 9mm.

I am going to guess correct me if i am wrong Jerry
That because the military is not supposed to use expanding bullets his friend had to dump a shit ton of rounds into the guy to stop the threat. so if he carries a 9mm it will only run hollow points.

[mcantar18c]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50...e_gdata_player

All the shooting in this was done with factory 45 ACP. He even talks about how a proper grip causes the gun to return to sight picture faster and shows it at about 2:30 of the vid.

Yes, proper grip, form, etc. is a larger factor than the size of the cartridge being shot.
But all things being equal (as in, a guy will have the same form shooting a 9mm as he will with a .45), smaller cartridge = faster followup... whether he's in a Weaver stance or shooting gangsta style.
And generally, the people you encounter in a situation will not be IPSC shooters.

[SA Friday]

So your theory is a 9mm can have a followup shot one or two tenths of a second faster, with dozens of other factors being the same, than a 45, then it's better and will give you and edge. And you don't see the flaws in this?

The recoil levels of these two calibers are simply not so extreme that the recoil itself is the predominant factor in follow up shot speed. I don't care if you're a 4'10" Filipino girl that's 85 lbs wet or a pro bodybuilder. The predominant factors in follow up shots and how fast and accurate they are will always be how well ones shooting form is, the mechanics of the firearm, and how much they practice.

The factors involved will never be the same. The benefit you are stating is there is simply irrelevant and in many cases incorrect. I guarantee you my STIs in 40 cal cycle faster than the average factory 9mm. For that matter, the ergonomics of a Sig P226 vs a 1911 will make most shooters have faster follow up shots with the 1911.

Just pick one, and practice. It's the practice, not the picking one that's important.

[DFBrews]

So your theory is a 9mm can have a followup shot one or two tenths of a second faster, with dozens of other factors being the same, than a 45, then it's better and will give you and edge. And you don't see the flaws in this?

The recoil levels of these two calibers are simply not so extreme that the recoil itself is the predominant factor in follow up shot speed. I don't care if you're a 4'10" Filipino girl that's 85 lbs wet or a pro bodybuilder. The predominant factors in follow up shots and how fast and accurate they are will always be how well ones shooting form is, the mechanics of the firearm, and how much they practice.

The factors involved will never be the same. The benefit you are stating is there is simply irrelevant and in many cases incorrect. I guarantee you my STIs in 40 cal cycle faster than the average factory 9mm. For that matter, the ergonomics of a Sig P226 vs a 1911 will make most shooters have faster follow up shots with the 1911.

Just pick one, and practice. It's the practice, not the picking one that's important.

And to not run that god forsaken "NY trigger" if you have a glock.

[jerrymrc]

I am going to guess correct me if i am wrong Jerry
That because the military is not supposed to use expanding bullets his friend had to dump a shit ton of rounds into the guy to stop the threat. so if he carries a 9mm it will only run hollow points.

You are very correct. The back door of the Bradly opened and a man started running to them. It was supposedly a safe area so nobody was coming out to fight.

At the 20 yard mark he drew and started firing. 15 rounds later the man dropped at his feet. Later they found that 14 had hit him and one of them had taken out the bomb. He has a BS with/V for it. It was his second tour.

[Atrain1]

You are very correct. The back door of the Bradly opened and a man started running to them. It was supposedly a safe area so nobody was coming out to fight.

At the 20 yard mark he drew and started firing. 15 rounds later the man dropped at his feet. Later they found that 14 had hit him and one of them had taken out the bomb. He has a BS with/V for it. It was his second tour.

I just found it is there is no point to argue, and just agree that a 32 acp will have the same amount of power as a 45 acp hey its in black and white on the internet right LOL anyway you wont get anywere on here with this argument. I found one advantage for the 9mm over the 45 for sure it is cheaper to shoot.

[DFBrews]

I just found it is there is no point to argue, and just agree that a 32 acp will have the same amount of power as a 45 acp hey its in black and white on the internet right LOL anyway you wont get anywere on here with this argument. I found one advantage for the 9mm over the 45 for sure it is cheaper to shoot.

That was not even a caliber specific quote from him the Soldier just happened to have a 9mm I would imagine the thoughts are the same if he would have had a .45 ... Ball ammo sucks for self defense plain and simple

[Atrain1]

I personally feel more comfortable with a 45 230 gr FMJ round then with a 9mm 115 gr FMJ. And as far as follow up shots there is more to it then just the size of the round, put a 45 ACP with a lower bore axis up against a 9x19 high bore axis and see who will get a faster follow up shot, but with the lower bore axis also comes more felt recoil.

[Graves]

And as far as follow up shots there is more to it then just the size of the round, put a 45 ACP with a lower bore axis up against a 9x19 high bore axis and see who will get a faster follow up shot, but with the lower bore axis also comes more felt recoil.

I'll put my money on the shooter who has more practice with his piece any day of the week. BTW, the higher the bbl is above your hand, the more it'll kick but since bore axis usually varies by a few mm's from handgun to handgun it has virtually no effect on how well it performs overall. To think everybody can shoot an M&P 45 will shoot better than an XD9 is absurd.

[Atrain1]

I'll put my money on the shooter who has more practice with his piece any day of the week. BTW, the higher the bbl is above your hand, the more it'll kick but since bore axis usually varies by a few mm's from handgun to handgun it has virtually no effect on how well it performs overall. To think everybody can shoot an M&P 45 will shoot better than an XD9 is absurd.

That was my with the my point you would get more muzzle flip with the 9mm with a higher bore axis, you also have a very good point about having prctice with your firearm. When I take out my mil spec 1911 and say my S&W 1911 I can tell a difference between the 2 as far as muzzle rise when I fire them.