9 Mm Vs 45 Acp

[Mick-Boy]

I just carry my 25 acp because it has the same stopping power as the 45 acp and it is not as heavy, wow if only I would have known all these years that there is absolutely no difference in knock down power between different calibers I would have the same caliber in all my guns,

It's not that there is no difference. It's that "knockdown power" or "stopping power" is a fantasy. Physics says unless your pistol is knocking you on your ass every time you fire it, it won't knock the person at the other end on their ass either (See Newton's third law).

The only two ways you reliably end a gun fight are scoring a CNS hit (shutting the bad guy's brain housing group down) or causing enough blood loss that they expire.

CNS hits are a beautiful thing when you make them. It's like someone clipped the strings on a puppet. They are also hard as hell because the head moves around a lot.

So we're left with trying to exchange enough blood for air in the bad guy's body to cause them to expire. The most efficient way to do this is to poke a lot of holes in the bad guy near the pump and the major pipes that exchange and carry their blood (read as; Center chest).

You don't need a hand cannon to do this. You need rapid, accurate shots into the targets ten ring.

You can do that with a 454 Casull? Rock on brother. You love the 1911 in .45? Well do it to it. You shoot a Glock 19 best? Awesome. You really like the Bersa .380? Make sure that bitch runs and then run the hell out of it.

At the risk of repeating myself: Carry what you can shoot well, just so long as you carry.

Arguing 9mm vs. 45 (vs. 40 vs. 10mm vs. .357 sig etc..) is a waste of bandwidth.

[Mick-Boy]

Whatever you use, shoot 3 times.

Shoot them until they're no longer a threat. Bad guys get a vote in gunfights too. Training to shoot any one drill (draw, hammered pair, reholster. Draw, failure drill, reholster. Etc.) is training for failure.

Just because you shoot doesn't mean you hit.

Just because you hit doesn't mean it worked.

Just because it worked doesn't mean it worked right now.

[Bailey Guns]

Whatever you use, shoot 3 times.

What if you miss 3 times? What if you nail the guy in the head and it's an instant "lights out" for him on the first shot? Are you still gonna put two into the guy?

Wouldn't you be better off shooting until there is no longer a threat? Defeating a bad guy could be as simple as drawing your gun or it could be as complicated as having to reload a couple of times.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Mick-Boy. Why set yourself up for failure by training for failure. Saying "shoot 3 times no matter what" is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Course, nobody really asked me...

That's why so many fads in law enforcement training such as:

• Draw, fire two rounds, holster
• Draw, fire two rounds to the chest, fire one round to the head, holster

come and go. Training methods evolve and shooters should, too. Train to eliminate the threat(s). Don't just train to do something that may, and probably will, fail you.

[Atrain1]

What if you miss 3 times? What if you nail the guy in the head and it's an instant "lights out" for him on the first shot? Are you still gonna put two into the guy?

Wouldn't you be better off shooting until there is no longer a threat? Defeating a bad guy could be as simple as drawing your gun or it could be as complicated as having to reload a couple of times.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Mick-Boy. Why set yourself up for failure by training for failure. Saying "shoot 3 times no matter what" is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Course, nobody really asked me...

That's why so many fads in law enforcement training such as:

• Draw, fire two rounds, holster
• Draw, fire two rounds to the chest, fire one round to the head, holster

come and go. Training methods evolve and shooters should, too. Train to eliminate the threat(s). Don't just train to do something that may, and probably will, fail you.

There is alot more to Police training than that, and one of the reasons they draw fire twice and holster there weapon is for muscle memory, that is just one reason there is alot of reasons they are trained that way. I was trained that way firing one shot and holstering my weapon, another reason that they do that is practicing drawing his or her weapon that is usually done by drawing and holstering the weapon without firing a shot (very boring) then you move on to shooting from there.

[Irving]

Bailey & Mick-Boy, clearly ShooterJM was being funny.

Atrain, LOL. Please tell Bailey more about being a cop.

[Graves]

Heh, beat me to it. Not like Bailey was LE or anything.

[Atrain1]

Bailey & Mick-Boy, clearly ShooterJM was being funny.

Atrain, LOL. Please tell Bailey more about being a cop.

I was not trying to tell anyone how to be a cop personally I think the training is crap I was just explaining why they do that from what I can remember I was almost a cop once 7 or 8 years ago in California and I went through the training and then decided to go with skip tracing instead. to me it was a safer choice. And most shootings I have seen the shooter usually pulls the trigger until nothing comes out of the barrel and not even realize it, I have seen cops do It, I know a cop that unloaded his 92FS into a guy after he ran him over on his motorcycle fear and adrenaline can produce some amazing and sometimes ugly results.

[Bailey Guns]

There is alot more to Police training than that, and one of the reasons they draw fire twice and holster there weapon is for muscle memory, that is just one reason there is alot of reasons they are trained that way. I was trained that way firing one shot and holstering my weapon, another reason that they do that is practicing drawing his or her weapon that is usually done by drawing and holstering the weapon without firing a shot (very boring) then you move on to shooting from there.

Yeah...sure. If you're training in the 80s, maybe.

[Atrain1]

Were did my post go that took me a while to write

[Hoser]

Keep things civil guys...