Suppressed AR

[Zak Smith]

Fact: it doesn't have to "hurt" or "feel loud" to do hearing damage.

It probably doesn't seem loud to you because you already have a moderate level of hearing damage.

And actually, we were talking about safety, not "just, like, your opinion, man" - because I said

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Originally Posted by Zak Smith
I was referring to full power ammunition. 137 dB is not really hearing safe.

and you said

pretty much everyone that uses suppressors consistently shoots them without hearing protection. thats kind of the point. its not that loud.

You don't have to believe me because I'm a silencer manufacturer. You should believe me because I'm right and even the most cursory research into sound levels and hearing damage done on the internet in 5 minutes or less (more if you read slow) will prove it. Everyone in this thread disagrees with you because you're totally off base. If you were giving your advice in a professional capacity, you could be successfully sued later for contributing to others' hearing loss.

[DeusExMachina]

Zak is my new favorite person.

[kilovictor]

can't wait for my YHM QD titanium Phantom to clear the all-powerful higher! WHOOHOOO!

Zak are you guys ever going to do quick detach suppressors? I checked out your offerings a while back and couldn't find that option?

[Zak Smith]

kilovector,

Earlier this year we introduced the "BA" (brake attach) versions of the 30P-1 and 338P-1. We haven't found a "quick attach" mount that meets our standards for accuracy and repeatability (we make precision/LR cans primarily after all) -- the BA does -- so we went with that direction for the users that need a muzzle device when the can comes off. No mount is really "QD" once you get it to 800 degrees unless you have some welding gloves handy.

[tmckay2]

lol, quite the professional i see.

YOU may be talking about safe, i was talking about being able to shoot without hearing protection without pain. it is not loud enough to cause pain. as i said, yes over time it can cause hearing damage. so can loud trucks at lumber yards, construction jobs, and nagging wives. most people will shoot their rifles with suppressors without hearing protection from time to time. i never said they go out daily and purposefully try to blow their ear drums out. but i can't think of one person with a suppressor that i know that hasn't shot it without hearing protection once in a while.

now kindly take your panties, unwad them, and recognize that your precious pride has no reason to be hurt in this discussion. i wasn't even fully disagreeing with you. i just have a different opinion from what i have observed on what level of damage they cause and the level of "pain". i never challenged your assertion that they CAN cause damage.

Fact: it doesn't have to "hurt" or "feel loud" to do hearing damage.

It probably doesn't seem loud to you because you already have a moderate level of hearing damage.

And actually, we were talking about safety, not "just, like, your opinion, man" - because I said

and you said

You don't have to believe me because I'm a silencer manufacturer. You should believe me because I'm right and even the most cursory research into sound levels and hearing damage done on the internet in 5 minutes or less (more if you read slow) will prove it. Everyone in this thread disagrees with you because you're totally off base. If you were giving your advice in a professional capacity, you could be successfully sued later for contributing to others' hearing loss.