Aurora PD

[stevelkinevil]

JM I was an LEO, so to answer your earlier challenge, This incident was in fact not handled correctly. The ends do not justify the means.
Problem 1. A vague geographical area does not probable cause make! Had they had a description of a suspect, a vehicle ect.. then that is PC for a stop of said vehicle. You must still have PC to go under exigent circumstances. Had they had a suspect description and information that he was hiding in a motorists vehicle, PC exists there as well. They had nothing but a vague geographical area. You must have reasonable suspicion, and that does not include everyone, not enough information in this case to clearly state PC for the actions taken.
Problem 2. If you have GPS on the subject why in gods green earth stop 19 cars at a busy intersection going one by one pulling folks out and putting them in harms way, had the suspect been inclined to come out guns blazing he surely would have done so knowing they were going to get to him eventually. Now you have put many innocent lives at risk unnecessarily.
Problem 3. Consent to search as pointed out earlier is not valid if obtained under duress, gun point certainly qualifies as under duress. If exigent circumstances exist no consent is necessary but again, not enough information for valid PC existed with only a vague geographical locale.
The idea that you must support fellow officers actions and follow orders regardless of whether or not they are justified or correct is wrong.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

JM I was an LEO, so to answer your earlier challenge, This incident was in fact not handled correctly. The ends do not justify the means.
Problem 1. A vague geographical area does not probable cause make! Had they had a description of a suspect, a vehicle ect.. then that is PC for a stop of said vehicle. You must still have PC to go under exigent circumstances. Had they had a suspect description and information that he was hiding in a motorists vehicle, PC exists there as well. They had nothing but a vague geographical area. You must have reasonable suspicion, and that does not include everyone, not enough information in this case to clearly state PC for the actions taken.
Problem 2. If you have GPS on the subject why in gods green earth stop 19 cars at a busy intersection going one by one pulling folks out and putting them in harms way, had the suspect been inclined to come out guns blazing he surely would have done so knowing they were going to get to him eventually. Now you have put many innocent lives at risk unnecessarily.
Problem 3. Consent to search as pointed out earlier is not valid if obtained under duress, gun point certainly qualifies as under duress. If exigent circumstances exist no consent is necessary but again, not enough information for valid PC existed with only a vague geographical locale.
The idea that you must support fellow officers actions and follow orders regardless of whether or not they are justified or correct is wrong.

I'm not supporting anyone... I never once said what they did was right... You've all assumed that though.

And, I think, given the situation anyone would have followed the order to stop all the cars. Just because of the speed at which it had to be done. But hey, I wasn't there... I donno.

Thanks for commenting though! All of your points are spot on.


Damnit.. Forgot again.. Not a beer guy...

[JoeT]

And, I think, given the situation anyone would have followed the order to stop all the cars. Just because of the speed at which it had to be done. But hey, I wasn't there... I donno.

I thought that the world learned after WW2 that "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse or defense

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I thought that the world learned after WW2 that "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse or defense

But being faced with "DO AS I SAY!" or be fired... I'll take my chances with do as they say... Unless it's deadly stuff.