Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.
Hey man, calm down...Don't give yourself an aneurysm.

But in all seriousness...I havent' read this entire thread and rarely do when it comes to matters like this because of all the experts generally...I would like to point out that no one really knows what happened prior to video running and no one really knows how or in what way the call was reported to law enforcement or how it was dispatched to law enforcement. Take that for what you will...maybe just a little food for thought.

Everyone has their opinions and their rights to them. I also, like Cstone, have never heard of this club of law enforcement officers going out just to revoke rights...if it exists they may have not trusted me enough to join. Also, it's better to win the battle in court later than be harmed no matter how wrong the officer is, so I have to jump on Cstone's thought again and say complain later, speak to a lawyer later, avoid getting hurt and going to jail now. Sometimes these situations can only be escalated and we should all try to avoid that...so some additional food for thought.