How would any of you of handled this?

[spyder]

Maybe you should find out what city the guy (in the video) was from. Irrelevant IMO how the "police" do it here or in Cali, since this video is in a different state. Or listen to the laws he was quoting and base it on that.

Very true and that is why I was wanting to know what the cops here were trained to do. That way I know exactly how to handle things on my end. I just want to be as informed as I can be.

[TFOGGER]

There is no malevolent, unified, conspiracy by law enforcement to prey upon the ignorance of citizens. If there is, someone left me off of the distribution list and I have some catching up to do.

Some people go about their business and never have any contact with law enforcement. Some people are involved in incidents that are outside of their control and they become involved in contact with law enforcement. Some people go out of their way to seek contact with law enforcement.

There are so many laws on the books within any jurisdiction that they have specialist within the legal profession who debate what all of them mean at any given time. There is no possible way that anyone can claim to have the complete, end all, be all, in legal knowledge and also claim to be sane.

Cops don't know it all. Citizen activist don't know it all.

I learned this years ago, and I share it with anyone willing to listen or read, free of charge: You can do everything right, and still be wrong. The example I often use is the motorcyclist that does not yield the right of way to an on coming tractor trailer.

I believe that there are things worth dying for. IMO, being right all of the time is not one of them.

A wise soldier chooses his battles wisely.

Be safe.

Time to catch up on your continuing education (Bad Cop 205-Being an ass for no reason)

You could not have stated the point better: "I believe that there are things worth dying for. IMO, being right all of the time is not one of them.

A wise soldier chooses his battles wisely."

Can badgering a cop for trying to do his job become reasonable suspicion if you seem to be evading the simplest of questions? Probably not, if the cop had no legitimate reason to contact you in the first place. I have to wonder if the OCer in the video was actually the one that called himself in as a MWG just to provoke a confrontation for the benefit of the camera...

[spyder]

Well, haven't come across any cops here in Trinidad as of yet, and now I'm heading to the Springs to catch a flight to Florida. If I get a chance, I'll ask one of the cops in the Springs also.

[BUC303]

There is no malevolent, unified, conspiracy by law enforcement to prey upon the ignorance of citizens. If there is, someone left me off of the distribution list and I have some catching up to do.

Some people go about their business and never have any contact with law enforcement. Some people are involved in incidents that are outside of their control and they become involved in contact with law enforcement. Some people go out of their way to seek contact with law enforcement.

There are so many laws on the books within any jurisdiction that they have specialist within the legal profession who debate what all of them mean at any given time. There is no possible way that anyone can claim to have the complete, end all, be all, in legal knowledge and also claim to be sane.

Cops don't know it all. Citizen activist don't know it all.

I learned this years ago, and I share it with anyone willing to listen or read, free of charge: You can do everything right, and still be wrong. The example I often use is the motorcyclist that does not yield the right of way to an on coming tractor trailer.

I believe that there are things worth dying for. IMO, being right all of the time is not one of them.

A wise soldier chooses his battles wisely.

Be safe.

Well put. I didn't mean to come off saying cops are the bad guys and out to get you, just that this particular officer had alreadly violated some of this mans rights, whether he did that knowingly or not we will never know. If this individual didn't know his stuff who knows what else could have happened or what rights may have been violated? He didn't do anything to warrant police activity, he knew it and the supervisor ultimately knew it.

[Blubyue]

You think that happens quite often ocing? Thats f'ed up.

I would have just given ID and been on my way. Even after he pointed the loaded weapon at me while clearing it. Allegedly

Now this cop has gotten a lesson on law and will hesitate when there is a person ocing on there way to commit a crime.


We have a right to wear masks everywhere we go. Do we?

Keep it concealed.

[KevDen2005]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.

Hey man, calm down...Don't give yourself an aneurysm.

But in all seriousness...I havent' read this entire thread and rarely do when it comes to matters like this because of all the experts generally...I would like to point out that no one really knows what happened prior to video running and no one really knows how or in what way the call was reported to law enforcement or how it was dispatched to law enforcement. Take that for what you will...maybe just a little food for thought.

Everyone has their opinions and their rights to them. I also, like Cstone, have never heard of this club of law enforcement officers going out just to revoke rights...if it exists they may have not trusted me enough to join. Also, it's better to win the battle in court later than be harmed no matter how wrong the officer is, so I have to jump on Cstone's thought again and say complain later, speak to a lawyer later, avoid getting hurt and going to jail now. Sometimes these situations can only be escalated and we should all try to avoid that...so some additional food for thought.

[rondog]

Hey man, calm down...Don't give yourself an aneurysm.

But in all seriousness...I havent' read this entire thread and rarely do when it comes to matters like this because of all the experts generally...I would like to point out that no one really knows what happened prior to video running and no one really knows how or in what way the call was reported to law enforcement or how it was dispatched to law enforcement. Take that for what you will...maybe just a little food for thought.

Everyone has their opinions and their rights to them. I also, like Cstone, have never heard of this club of law enforcement officers going out just to revoke rights...if it exists they may have not trusted me enough to join. Also, it's better to win the battle in court later than be harmed no matter how wrong the officer is, so I have to jump on Cstone's thought again and say complain later, speak to a lawyer later, avoid getting hurt and going to jail now. Sometimes these situations can only be escalated and we should all try to avoid that...so some additional food for thought.

So, Kev, how do you as a LEO feel about asshats like this that seem to be obviously baiting officers by "dangling a carrot", so to speak, just so they can make a video spouting about rights and other BS? I'm all for people exercising their rights, and I'm all for LEO's knowing about those rights and recognizing them, but LEO's still have to respond to MWAG calls regardless. But a-holes like this guy only hurt the cause for both sides, IMO.

Just curious about your perspective from your side of the issue.

[KevDen2005]

So, Kev, how do you as a LEO feel about asshats like this that seem to be obviously baiting officers by "dangling a carrot", so to speak, just so they can make a video spouting about rights and other BS? I'm all for people exercising their rights, and I'm all for LEO's knowing about those rights and recognizing them, but LEO's still have to respond to MWAG calls regardless. But a-holes like this guy only hurt the cause for both sides, IMO.

Just curious about your perspective from your side of the issue.

Maybe go get a job and stop wasting everyone's times, especially the tax payers just to make a statement.

I get paid either way, whether you disagree with me or not and I know I'm not going to violate your rights in the eyes of the court. But where I work, I would probably be writing a report on the incident because of the fact this guy and similar guys want to make a statement. And where I work you may be recording me...you can count that I'm recording you

[spyder]

Kev, if you get in a call of a suspicious person carrying a gun walking down the street, how do you handle it? How were you trained to deal with that situation?

[KevDen2005]

Kev, if you get in a call of a suspicious person carrying a gun walking down the street, how do you handle it? How were you trained to deal with that situation?

Every situation is different. Really is all I can say. It really depends on what 'type' of suspicious this person is and where they are and how they are acting. Is there anymore information than just a guy walking with a holstered gun?

I have been to numerous calls like this all different with different sets of criteria. Depending on the circumstances I have removed a person's firearm for the duration of the contact. Other situations I have let them keep it holstered and said keep your arms crossed and don't put your hand near the gun. This is your only warning while I am contacting you on that...if they don't follow instructions I take it. None of these have been consensual contacts, they have been contacts.

I did last year see a guy walking across the middle of the road and I thought my mind was playing tricks on me in the middle of the night. I flipped around and contacted him. As soon as the guy came over to me on his own free will he told me (and I saw) that he was open carrying a pistol. I said, "I see it" and we had a short conversation.

Every situation is different.