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During the mass chaos that would ensue during a real SHTF scenario I don't really believe people are going to respect property boundaries or property rights.
I know I won't..
What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey?
-- Ayn Rand, Anthem (Chapter 11)
That is why a place the mountains or in the middle of no where would be good. My house is a defensive disaster too many windows even if boarded up and the thin walls. Would be hard for me and the wife to maintain security.Originally Posted by asmotao
The one thing I miss about Rural Nebraska, nothing out there of interest to anyone.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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true, but there are tons of nuggets out in the mountains that it would be nearly impossible for people to find you. the one thing i need is a great off road vehicle so i can get to really remote places. but even with regular vehicles there are so many places that have absolutely nothing within 30 miles. if some sort of disaster really did happen it would be years before they came out sniffing around that far.That is why a place the mountains or in the middle of no where would be good. My house is a defensive disaster too many windows even if boarded up and the thin walls. Would be hard for me and the wife to maintain security.
The one thing I miss about Rural Nebraska, nothing out there of interest to anyone.
Depends on what time of the year, middle of the mountain winter some if those really deep remote areas are impassable by auto or even a major offroad jeep. You need a snowmobile or artic cat, but then you not only have to deal with a scenario but the unforgiving old man winter. I guess have multiple possible places depending on what and time of the year.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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not really. you can walk most of it. all it takes is a pair of snow snoes and a smal sled. sure its a pain in the ass and would take a few days to get EVERYTHING to a site but so what, we are talking end of civilization type disasters here, youve got the time. my tent weighs 70 lbs. but on a sled in the snow, even uphill, its actually not that bad. i wouldn't travel 30 miles with it but ive gone a few miles and its not that bad. i could probably travel 5-7 miles a day with it which is far enough for temporary camp, especially in the winter. you don't have to go to that remote of an area in the winter, its the summer that you would want to get moving to farther out areas.
Couple adults or older teens if equipped and prepared, but with theme of this thread with family / kids under 10 would make it a risky task. Freezing temps etc I would worry then about dealing with sickness etc. A very hard task, I would rather try for remote rural nothing of interest to anyone else area.
I definitely would not want to be in this big city.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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It's risky with kids no doubt. But I still believe if a real situation arose its safer than in town. Heck even infections would be a problem in town. My advice to anyone prepping is to prepare for both. The food, weapons and medical supplies would all be the same. If you've got the money I'd get a decent amount of food and antibiotics. Both of those would be hard to come by both in town and out. The freezing temps would scare me that much even with kids. If power is gone, which it would be, it'll be cold in town as well and that will make even more people pillage happy. With a stove ad endless supply of wood I don't see how that could go wrong. My fire starter is also endless.
Exactly. This is why prepping with small kids is a little more difficult for families with small children.
My kid is not yet 3 but she has been exposed to camping, etc. because I think that is important. But have you ever heard a toddler have a meltdown in the forest? No? Well, let me tell you, there is no doubt it can be heard for MILES. And with the hardships that come with bugging out and/or living in the woods as some have suggested, you can count on a few meltdowns.
Do you want every bad guy for miles hearing your location?
Having a working vehicle would make bugging out with kids easier. But what if you don't? Your supplies will likely go on your back in your pack. So no room to carry your kid in a kid backpack. So where do your kids go? Think your 2 year old can walk very far in a day? No way, no how. Expect to move VERY slowly. Do you put them in a wagon? A bike trailer? Do you even have a wagon or a bike w/ trailer? And again, can they be quiet if you have to hide to avoid danger as you're moving through town? Something to think about...
Is your kid a picky eater? Well he eat MRE's? Freezed dried lasagna? Better find out now.
Do you have any little toys or games you can pack for them? Moral is a big deal with kids. Perhaps a small little $1 magna doodle is all you need to help keep the kids somewhat happy. Maybe store/pack some little treats as well.
Can you carry clothes for your little one for all seasons? If they are a toddler, do you have anything in the next size up? Kids grow out of their clothes quickly. Shoes?
Above are all things I think about constantly now that I have a toddler. Do I have a solid answer for all of them? Nope. Some I still need to figure out.
We have plans for both bugging out and in. Bugging in is our main strategy. But I do realize that if things get bad quickly or last more than a week or so, we will be moving out. We have solid bug out plans and routes to reach family that is well established in remote areas. However, they are not currently the prepping type. We need to store more supplies at their location but currently we are focusing on building our stores at home. Once that's complete, we'll start on building our remote supplies. Priorities and one thing at a time...but all my plans must consider the toddler's perspective to even have a chance at being viable.
So where do you live?
Make my way to you, you always need another gun handy right?
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles. --Jeff Cooper"
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