Sticking to their guns: Marines place $22.5M order for the Colt .45 M1911

[Goodburbon]

Thankfully most of us will never see combat or a life and death situation. Most of the people responding to this forum do not have a clue. However when the crap hits the fan 45 caliber wins every time against something smaller. Got the t-shirt. When you need to, reloading is not an issue. Shooting a threat more than 5 times and still having a threat is a problem.

Glock, M&P, XD, HK are all available in .45.


7 is less than half of 15, the basis of my statement. Beretta also has extended mags, I'm not counting extended mags.

[jmg8550]

Just my opinion, and I may be out of line... If you have to pull your pistol in COMBAT I'd say you are screwed anyway. The pistol is a defensive weapon. 7 rounds, 15 rounds, hell it could be 30 rounds, You are still screwed if you have to use it in battle.

[tmckay2]

i think the whole argument about which pistol on a mass scale is stupid anyway. pistols, to me, are very much about the shooter. in this case they don't have a choice, fine, they have to order a large amount of something but everyone saying this is better or thats better really are just speaking from opinion. pistols aren't like rifles, they can be very tricky to shoot accurately and quickly depending on shooting style, hands, etc. the 1911 has ALWAYS felt perfect in my hands. i don't know why. ive tried lots of newer made pistols including ones from springfield, hk, glock and several others. i don't know why but i can't shoot worth a crap with them. i get a 1911 and its natural. i also prefer their triggers. simple, easy and crisp. i feel for people who don't shoot ALL the time, the 1911 trigger allows for more accurate shooting.

but again, in my opinion pistols have so much to do with each individual shooter. no one would ever agree on whats best.

[josh7328]

Pistols serve a tremendous purpose on mounted patrols. Afghans like to try and open your doors to do God knows what once it's open. luckily, people usually keep them combat locked, but in the event that somebody forgot to lock the door, I'd want a quick handling .45 in my hand. Same goes for an open turret gunner. M4 is useless inside of a truck.

[bryjcom]

Interesting data about pistol calibers and their statistics. The .45 did not perform all that much better than the 9mm. Keep in mind that the 9mm statistics are based on 456 people shot while the 45 was at 209

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

.45 ACP # of people shot - 209
# of hits - 436
% of hits that were fatal - 29%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.08
% of people who were not incapacitated - 14%
One-shot-stop % - 39%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 85%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 51%

9mm Luger # of people shot - 456
# of hits - 1121
% of hits that were fatal - 24%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.45
% of people who were not incapacitated - 13%
One-shot-stop % - 34%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 74%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 47%

[Flatline]

Interesting data about pistol calibers and their statistics. The .45 did not perform all that much better than the 9mm. Keep in mind that the 9mm statistics are based on 456 people shot while the 45 was at 209

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

Is that analyzing FMJ rounds only?

[DSull]

It's about time someone listened to the troops the M9 was is and always will be a POS. ooooooorrraahhh for the Corps.

[bryjcom]

I would imagine a multitude of types of bullets where used

[Bailey Guns]

According to that lower graph I'd better start carrying a .22. Looks to be about as effective as a rifle.

Or maybe I'll just stick to carrying what I like and what I shoot well, and planning to shoot the threat enough to make it stop.

[bryjcom]

According to that lower graph I'd better start carrying a .22. Looks to be about as effective as a rifle.

Or maybe I'll just stick to carrying what I like and what I shoot well, and planning to shoot the threat enough to make it stop.

Thats what it always comes down too.