Paul Ryan

[kanekutter05]

Fiscally, I like Paul Ryan. But I think this pretty much guaranteed Obama's victory.

What makes you say that?

[Ronin13]

Liberals believe the government can fix everything, Catholics believe that abortion is murder. They have exactly the same amount of evidence supporting them.

Your religious convictions ought to be kept private, not brought into political play. If you want to believe whatever, that's none of my business. If you want to start stuffing your magic men down my throat via legislation, we have problems.

This!

I'll call it right here, right now - screencap if you want and let's review 6 months after the election.

A Romney/Ryan presidency will:

- Flounder at actually cutting the budget
- Extend the Bush tax cuts but nothing more
- No capital gains tax reforms
- No significant regulation reform
- They will either not repeal Obamacare or "repeal and replace" with something that is functionally the same (ie coverage for preexisting conditions, which is the teeth of Obamacare and will kill the insurance industry and toss us into single-payer by necessity - but which polls well and which Romney has supported.)
- They will not reform the tax code to keep insurance from being connected to your job
- Expect a lot of DEM GAYS and 'BORTION stuff to distract from the economy and keep the social cons happy.

Also I'll give a 50/50 shot at some big expansion of federal welfare ala Medicare Part D from Bush in the first term, to prove how compassionate Romney is. Expect the economy to flounder more.

So you're voting for Obama?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I think Romney pretty much guaranteed Obama a victory.

[ghettodub]

What makes you say that?

Because picking Ryan is going to for sure drive a lot of the independents further away from Romney because of social issues.

[Sharpienads]

Liberals believe the government can fix everything, Catholics believe that abortion is murder. They have exactly the same amount of evidence supporting them.

Your religious convictions ought to be kept private, not brought into political play. If you want to believe whatever, that's none of my business. If you want to start stuffing your magic men down my throat via legislation, we have problems.

There are a lot of people that believe abortion is murder. You can make arguements against abortion without even bringing up religion.

Yep, keep your religious beliefs private. They should be supressed and only spoken of in private. It's not like the first amendment applies to elected officials, too or anything. As long as his religious beliefs don't cause him to do anything unconstitutional, who cares what he believes?

[Rucker61]

Because picking Ryan is going to for sure drive a lot of the independents further away from Romney because of social issues.

Exactly. Republicans and Democrats can generally count on 40% of the voters, the ones one the outside of the Bell curve. You have to capture most of the middle indepedent voters to win the election. I don't see Ryan helping to capture that middle.

[Pancho Villa]

So you're voting for Obama?

I may toss my vote to Gary Johnson; but at this point it's Johnson or abstain for me.

There are a lot of people that believe abortion is murder. You can make arguements against abortion without even bringing up religion.

And they're all ridiculous covers for religious people who believe what they do for religious reasons.

Yep, keep your religious beliefs private. They should be supressed and only spoken of in private. It's not like the first amendment applies to elected officials, too or anything. As long as his religious beliefs don't cause him to do anything unconstitutional, who cares what he believes?

Right. Also, Obamacare was constitutional, so it's totally okay to be for it, since it's not unconstitutional

You can talk about your religion all you want, too. Just don't try to force your religious beliefs on me via legislation, which is what Ryan is very much for.

[ronaldrwl]

I'm tired of playing that game. Quit trying to figure out how you are going to be received by the independents... Stand for something and stick with it. Some of you may not be old enough to remember how Ronald Reagan stood tall on what he believed in. And how the media said he was a far right nut job. As Reagan said, “We don't need to grow the tent. We need to bring more people into our tent.” And you do that by standing on principles.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I love how so many people talk about independents as if they were one huge collective mind. Pancho's idea of what brings in independents likely conflicts with half a dozen other peoples' ideas. Newsflash: This independent is reassured and reinforced by Romney's selection of a budget hawk rather than catering to some self-described "minority" or special interest wing -- and it looks like other independents are of similar mind: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-independents/

[Ronin13]

I may toss my vote to Gary Johnson; but at this point it's Johnson or abstain for me.

So... you're voting for Obama then.