Paul Ryan

[kanekutter05]

The problem here is that we have horse meat and goat shit on the menu and you want a prime beef Porterhouse but you're potentially making the rest of us eat shit because you don't want the horse meat. This is exactly what happened in 1992 and 1996; America had to suffer through the 1994 AWB and some really stupid Supreme Court picks because 5% of the voters "voted their conscience" for Perot.

Bury your head in the sand and rationalize it all you want but if Obama wins, you will be one of the reasons we ALL have to eat shit.

+1 and well said Aloha. The fact of the matter is there are only two people who logically have any shot whatsoever in getting elected as POTUS...Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. You can even go a step further...A vote for Obama states that you agree with the policies and direction of the country. A vote for Romney states you disagree with the current policies and direction of the country. A vote for ANYONE ELSE is a vote to keep the current policies in place because nobody else has a shot. You can try and explain that fact away however you want...but that's what it breaks down to. So at that point you have to decide who you like more (or hate less, whatever the case) and vote that way. You can describe it however you want, but if you don't realize that's the way Presidential elections work in this country then you are harming the cause. It's not crazy person logic, it's being a realist. If you really want to make a difference and vote for a 3rd candidate...vote for the 3rd candidate in a congressional race.

Really when you break it down, the POTUS is just a figurehead. Yes he has real power, but of course the actual power to change things comes from Congress. 3rd party candidates actually have a chance of getting elected to Congress where they can do some real work.

[Ridge]

Obama's 1st term! I think he was saying; if we didn't get the shitty 1st termer out of there now.....

If your asking what Obama's 1st term as shitty was based on; maybe your economy and pocket book are doing fine but mine sucks and yes Obama is 100% to blame....

I mean why is it going to suddenly be hell for gun owners.

[jhood001]

A vote for ANYONE ELSE is a vote to keep the current policies in place in essence. You can try and explain that fact away however you want..

Or you (or anyone else) can first start by explaining exactly how that works.

I mean, come'on you guys. If this is so damn cut and dry 'in the real world', and those of us that disagree are some sort of delusional and irrational creatures, then why is it that most of you are explaining your brilliant rationale and then following it up with things like:

But those of us who know the reality of the situation are asking that you understand that if you don't vote for Romney/Ryan you, in fact, are pretty much taking a vote away from them, thus you're voting for Obama/Biden, although not directly.

Following up 'in fact,' with 'are pretty much' is absolutely hilarious.

Or how about -

The problem here is that we have horse meat and goat shit on the menu and you want a prime beef Porterhouse but you're potentially making the rest of us eat shit because you don't want the horse meat.

More -

A vote for ANYONE ELSE is a vote to keep the current policies in place in essence.

You can even go a step further...A vote for Obama states that you agree with the policies and direction of the country.

No, it means they want Obama to be president for the next 4 years.

A vote for Romney states you disagree with the current policies and direction of the country.

No, a vote for Romney means you want Romney to be president for the next 4 to 8 years.

A vote for ANYONE ELSE is a vote to keep the current policies in place because nobody else has a shot.

No, a vote for ANYONE ELSE means you want THEM to be president for the next 4 to 8 years.


I get what YOU guys are saying. You aren't idiots, but don't try to treat someone who isn't voting the way you would like them to as if they are.

[Rucker61]

Obama's 1st term! I think he was saying; if we didn't get the shitty 1st termer out of there now.....

If your asking what Obama's 1st term as shitty was based on; maybe your economy and pocket book are doing fine but mine sucks and yes Obama is 100% to blame....

DJIA, Mar 2009: 6626.94
DJIA, today: 13,169.43

Are you sure you want Obama 100% responsible for the economy?

[10mm-man]

I get what YOU guys are saying. You aren't idiots, but don't try to treat someone who isn't voting the way you would like them to as if they are.

Maybe it's the way you come off like what is being said isn't true? As in a vote for someone other than Romney/Ryan is a vote for Obama?

[Rucker61]

Maybe it's the way you come off like what is being said isn't true? As in a vote for someone other than Romney/Ryan is a vote for Obama?

Maybe we should start using the terms "de facto" and "de jure". We could eliminate this part of the discussion right away.

[10mm-man]

DJIA, Mar 2009: 6626.94
DJIA, today: 13,169.43

Are you sure you want Obama 100% responsible for the economy?

Maybe we should start using the terms "de facto" and "de jure". We could eliminate this part of the discussion right away.

I am a laymen my friend please break it down for me........

[Bailey Guns]

DJIA, Mar 2009: 6626.94
DJIA, today: 13,169.43

Are you sure you want Obama 100% responsible for the economy?

National Debt, Mar 09: $10.6 Trillion
National Debt, Today: $16+ Trillion, with an addition $10 Trillion if Obama gets his way

Unemployment, Mar 09: 7.8%
Unemployment, Today: 8.3% in Obama numbers. Probably more like 14 or 15 percent.

The DJIA rose to it's current levels despite Obama's policies...not because of them.

So, yeah. I'll definitely be more than happy to place the responsibility of our current economic situation in Obama's hands. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't want to take any responsibility for it. Why do you suppose he's not on the campaign trail bragging about his national economic accomplishments?

[Ridge]

National Debt, Mar 09: $10.6 Trillion
National Debt, Today: $16+ Trillion, with an addition $10 Trillion if Obama gets his way

Unemployment, Mar 09: 7.8%
Unemployment, Today: 8.3% in Obama numbers. Probably more like 14 or 15 percent.

The DJIA rose to it's current levels despite Obama's policies...not because of them.

I'll have to agree with this. You can't judge a global market's actions on those of a single nation's leader, regardless of how large it's slice of power is.

[Rooskibar03]

How about 4 potentially horribly Progressive Supreme Court appointments that are likely during the next 4 years. Kiss your 2A rights away if that happens.

Thats the tip of the iceberg. Gas at 6 plus a gallon. Food prices through the roof, energy prices to the point where you can't afford to heat your house.

All in the name of "saving" the middle class from those big bad millionaires.