Person very familiar with NFA items

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Also no, I'm afraid. Most people re-use the existing serial when converting from a Title 1 to a Title 2 firearm, anyway, so it'll usually already be on there.

You can engrave any damn thing you want on your firearm - as mentioned above. Ponies, skulls, bible verses, your underwear tag information, scrolls and wreaths or even random numbers. Only thing you cannot do is obscure or remove the required original manufacturer's markings which are already present.

If you choose to engrave all of your "manufacturer's" information before the application is approved all you do is risk having to go make a correction if they made you change your trust name or city/state abbreviation verbage or something to that effect.

The law does require that you get that engraving done before you go attaching the short barrel to that lower, in the situation presented by the original poster in this thread, but it does not require you to wait until the application has been approved before you do the engraving.

Ahem...you are incorrect, I'm afraid.

Just spoke with Ken Mason @ NFA.

-DO NOT engrave your name/trust/corp and city until AFTER receiving your approved Form 1 and tax stamp and berore you assemble the firearm.


You can engrave you lower with unicorns and Miley Cyrus lyrics all you want but leave off the new mfg info until AFTER you're approved and BEFORE you put the rifle together. Again, straight from the examiners at NFA.


Any others???

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Ahem...you are incorrect, I'm afraid.

Just spoke with Ken Mason @ NFA.

-DO NOT engrave your name/trust/corp and city until AFTER receiving your approved Form 1 and tax stamp and berore you assemble the firearm.


You can engrave you lower with unicorns and Miley Cyrus lyrics all you want but leave off the new mfg info until AFTER you're approved and BEFORE you put the rifle together. Again, straight from the examiners at NFA.


Any others???

Yeah. I'm gonna go engrave my new lower right now. What's Ken Mason gonna do about it? How's he gonna know when I engraved it? Riddle me that, sir.

I'm sure that NFA branch "advises" you not to engrave it until after you get your Form 1 back - but there's no law requiring it, and nothing they can or would do about it if you engrave it earlier.

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Yeah. I'm gonna go engrave my new lower right now. What's Ken Mason gonna do about it? How's he gonna know when I engraved it? Riddle me that, sir.

I'm sure that NFA branch "advises" you not to engrave it until after you get your Form 1 back - but there's no law requiring it, and nothing they can or would do about it if you engrave it earlier.

Way to set an example there Mr. FFL/SOT 07/02 NRA know it all Industry Partner guy, especially on an open forum. I'll be sure to recommend everyone to your shop. Perhaps just your mere presence will enlighten them as they walk through the door and they will know the sercets to FFLness. Rock on with your bad self....


OP: call the NFA branch with you questions (after reading the NFA handbook thoroughly). It's not difficult.

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Way to set an example there Mr. FFL/SOT 07/02 NRA know it all Industry Partner guy, especially on an open forum. I'll be sure to recommend everyone to your shop. Perhaps just your mere presence will enlighten them as they walk through the door and they will know the sercets to FFLness. Rock on with your bad self....


OP: call the NFA branch with you questions (after reading the NFA handbook thoroughly). It's not difficult.

Set an example of what, MR. coloccw spreader of well-meaning misinformation?

I agree you should wait until after you get your F1 back to engrave your lower. That's good and reasonable advice, but that doesn't make getting the F1 back a legal requirement, nor does it make it wrong, or bad, or somehow un-American or rude or reckless to engrave it before you get your F1 back. Or hell, before you even fill out an F1 and send one in.

Use your head.

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Set an example of what, MR. coloccw spreader of well-meaning misinformation?

I agree you should wait until after you get your F1 back to engrave your lower. That's good and reasonable advice, but that doesn't make getting the F1 back a legal requirement, nor does it make it wrong, or bad, or somehow un-American or rude or reckless to engrave it before you get your F1 back. Or hell, before you even fill out an F1 and send one in.

Use your head.

Yeah....disagree with the guy at NFA who is 1) a federal agent and 2) does this every day for a living....GREAT advise! I'm suprised you even got an FFL with your "I'll do what I want" attitude. You do know that BATFE reads this forum, right? I suggest when giving advise that may or may not get someone else in legal trouble, that you stick to what you can confirm and leave the things you think you know to campfires and beer stories. If unsure which is which, pick up the phone and call them yourself. Hell, I had to do that regarding barrel length. It took 5 minutes to confirm that I had old info and get it straight. I would think that a businessman, let alone a FFL/SOT holder, would understand this simple principle.


On a side note: Your not the guy from American Guns, are you? You have the same BS know it all attitude as him.....

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Yeah....disagree with the guy at NFA who is 1) a federal agent and 2) does this every day for a living....GREAT advise! I'm suprised you even got an FFL with your "I'll do what I want" attitude. You do know that BATFE reads this forum, right? I suggest when giving advise that may or may not get someone else in legal trouble, that you stick to what you can confirm and leave the things you think you know to campfires and beer stories. If unsure which is which, pick up the phone and call them yourself. Hell, I had to do that regarding barrel length. It took 5 minutes to confirm that I had old info and get it straight. I would think that a businessman, let alone a FFL/SOT holder, would understand this simple principle.


On a side note: Your not the guy from American Guns, are you? You have the same BS know it all attitude as him.....

What he is saying isn't illegal to do. UNTIL you put the shorter than 16" bbl'd upper on the lower you are NOT Violating ANY CITY, STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
Engrave away, Just do not put the short upper on until you have the approved form in your hands.
That i know directly from the ATF, multiple agents if you need to know .

Why anyone is concerned the feds read this or other gun forums i don't understand. If you advocate violating fed law you don't last long on the site.

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I know the 3 agents for this area....they don't know because they refer you to NFA branch when you ask anything NFA related. (I'm an FFL/SOT/FEL holder too)

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Why anyone is concerned the feds read this or other gun forums i don't understand. If you advocate violating fed law you don't last long on the site.

I've seen people selling explosive devices on this site and the response I got from the mod of that section was that of lack of care and ignorance.

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Yeah....disagree with the guy at NFA who is 1) a federal agent and 2) does this every day for a living....GREAT advise! I'm suprised you even got an FFL with your "I'll do what I want" attitude. You do know that BATFE reads this forum, right? I suggest when giving advise that may or may not get someone else in legal trouble, that you stick to what you can confirm and leave the things you think you know to campfires and beer stories. If unsure which is which, pick up the phone and call them yourself. Hell, I had to do that regarding barrel length. It took 5 minutes to confirm that I had old info and get it straight. I would think that a businessman, let alone a FFL/SOT holder, would understand this simple principle.


On a side note: Your not the guy from American Guns, are you? You have the same BS know it all attitude as him.....

Guy from ATF is a contractor hired to answer the phones (Ken Mason?) ... not a "federal agent".

I understand the principles involved better than you seem to understand.

What someone tells you over the phone is not legal advice, unless such person is your lawyer, or a district or US attorney.

I do not advocate flouting or ignoring the laws of Colorado or the United States. Your essential fallacy is inferring that the "decent advice" give you by a "contractor" constitutes rock bottom legal principle.

I am not conducting my businesses, or basing my knowledge, on what a call to the ATF branch tells me. I actually read the relevant federal code, and temper my advice with real-world experience against the platitudes and rules of thumb given me over the phone.

I'm sorry if that's too hard for you. Life isn't necessarily easy.

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Guy from ATF is a contractor hired to answer the phones (Ken Mason?) ... not a "federal agent".

I understand the principles involved better than you seem to understand.

What someone tells you over the phone is not legal advice, unless such person is your lawyer, or a district or US attorney.

I do not advocate flouting or ignoring the laws of Colorado or the United States. Your essential fallacy is inferring that the "decent advice" give you by a "contractor" constitutes rock bottom legal principle.

I am not conducting my businesses, or basing my knowledge, on what a call to the ATF branch tells me. I actually read the relevant federal code, and temper my advice with real-world experience against the platitudes and rules of thumb given me over the phone.

I'm sorry if that's too hard for you. Life isn't necessarily easy.

Again, keep what you think you know to campfire stories. I'l continue with what I can confirm. Either way, you're going to do whatever you want, regardless of what anyone provides or says. Have fun in your little bubble of a world there.