Well...looks like I got taken. No Police help.

[WETWRKS]

ok...so almost 10 weeks back I spotted a firearm for sale on another site. I contacted the seller for photos and he promptly sent me a photo. Looked good. Descussed the condition and was told what was wrong with it (needed 2 parts replaced). We discussed payment and he requested that it be sent to him at his business (which I verified his association with via the net). Because of the 2 parts that need to be replaced he got a ruling from the ATF that this is considered a parts kit by them. I also called them and spoke with a second ATF agent and they upheld that ruling. I still requested it be shipped to a local gunstore.

Sent funds and the same day he received funds he sent me an email stating it had been shipped to my home. Not happy about that but nothing to be done. I requested tracking...2 weeks went by with him delaying getting me that tracking number. Then I get a message that it was just shipped and here is the tracking....so he lied about shipping the first time.

1 package showed and it is only part of the gun. After calling, emailing, and texting I get notice that package number 2 has been shipped. It arrives...and in looking at what is there...this is NOT the same gun in the photo that I was originally sent. I have since found the stock photo on the net. And I am still missing parts.

Went by the local police and the office staff wouldn't even consider having me talk with an officer about it. Don't know what the laws are surrounding this but I thought that bait and switch was against the law. I also didn't think it mattered how this occurred. Internet, mail, in person...crime is crime.

Guess not.

[Ashton]

So you avoid telling us what type of gun it was, who the seller was, how much it cost but contacted the ATF? Troll.

[Ashton]

Also it takes 3 days to ship something USPS... I surely wouldn't wait two weeks... Lions eat gazelles for a reason.

[WETWRKS]

So you avoid telling us what type of gun it was, who the seller was, how much it cost but contacted the ATF? Troll.

You are correct I didn't. Moreover none of that holds any bearing on the facts of what occurred.

[BuffCyclist]

So you avoid telling us what type of gun it was, who the seller was, how much it cost but contacted the ATF? Troll.

Just FYI: Trolls don't usually post 234 times and then suddenly post spam.

Did you purchase the gun through a forum, armslist, gunbroker? Pay with PayPal (credit card), USPS Money Order, Personal Check or Cashiers Check?

Only thing I can think of where a firearm would not be classified as a firearm, is if it does not include the receiver, in which case it is not a firearm but an upper. My understanding is that even a firearm missing a firing pin or a revolver missing a cylinder are classified as firearms and need to be shipped to FFLs (though thats my opinion without doing research into it).

Might try contacting the police in his city, have his name/address and provide them with all copies of emails between you and seller, and you and ATF. If you tell the police in your city that you received a firearm, shipped directly to your house, they will most likely show up at your house and take it from you and maybe even issue a fine (as you broke the law too).

Again, this is all my take on the situation and without all the details, its hard to say what really happened.

eta: How did he get your home address? Unless you gave it to him directly (though I guess return address label of money sent via mail). But still, very shady.

[WETWRKS]

Just FYI: Trolls don't usually post 234 times and then suddenly post spam.

Did you purchase the gun through a forum, armslist, gunbroker? Pay with PayPal (credit card), USPS Money Order, Personal Check or Cashiers Check?

Only thing I can think of where a firearm would not be classified as a firearm, is if it does not include the receiver, in which case it is not a firearm but an upper. My understanding is that even a firearm missing a firing pin or a revolver missing a cylinder are classified as firearms and need to be shipped to FFLs (though thats my opinion without doing research into it).

Might try contacting the police in his city, have his name/address and provide them with all copies of emails between you and seller, and you and ATF. If you tell the police in your city that you received a firearm, shipped directly to your house, they will most likely show up at your house and take it from you and maybe even issue a fine (as you broke the law too).

Again, this is all my take on the situation and without all the details, its hard to say what really happened.

eta: How did he get your home address? Unless you gave it to him directly (though I guess return address label of money sent via mail). But still, very shady.

Thanks...I didn't deem it worth commenting on the troll accusation.

It was purchased thru the website Subguns. Paid with a certified check.

As for the ATF classification...I disagreed with it thus the reason I still required he ship to a gunstore.

He got the home address off the envelope that I sent the check in.

[Ashton]

Thanks...I didn't deem it worth commenting on the troll accusation.

It was purchased thru the website Subguns. Paid with a certified check.

As for the ATF classification...I disagreed with it thus the reason I still required he ship to a gunstore.

He got the home address off the envelope that I sent the check in.

Rule 1. You need a PO box.
Rule 2. Don't buy a gun unless you've seen it.
Rule 3. Give all the details you can about the transaction.. So even if you can't figure something else none of the rest of us will do business with him.

[SAnd]

I would start by contacting the Subguns website owners first. They have a reputation for helping.

[WETWRKS]

I would start by contacting the Subguns website owners first. They have a reputation for helping.

I did. Tom pulled the add and recommended I contact the police. He was also considering blocking the person.

[BuffCyclist]

So can we ask what gun you purchased and what pieces should have been missing? Then what was contained in the two boxes?