F**K everyone that voted for ocare

[nynco]

Who cares if someone was a socialist. Really... that is so small minded. What are the facts? The fact is prior to regulations people got sick and died WAY more from food that was tainted. Heck after Bush cut a massive amount of food inspectors, the nation saw a rash of tainted food outbreaks. Like the one back in the early 2000s that killed 50 people from a Listeria outbreak with tainted turkey. I personally like regulations that won't kill babies from food poisoning.

[Danimal]

There is a lot more to it than people initially realize. This legislation actually helps insurance companies as it was always designed to. Why are medical costs so high? Because doctors have to pay ridiculous insurance premiums to cover their practice. When they screw up, millions in law suits are at stake and insurance companies know it and charge accordingly based on that risk. You cant practice without insurance, and now you cant work without insurance. The problem has never been that people do not have adequate care, how could they? A hospital can not legally turn you away or deny care for any reason. This was a scheme to get insurance companies a guarantee on clients, and an inside hedge on medical insurance charged to medical professionals. Now they will know better the risk that a larger cross section of workers pose to their given physician, and will adjust both of the premiums accordingly. This will only lead to skyrocketing medical costs, and more specialized doctors that focus on very particular areas of their profession in order to minimize their exposure to risk. This is what has happened to every country that has instituted socialized medicine, and now that the associated health care costs are so high people can not afford to pay for their medical expenses without it.

For example, I myself I spent $3600 for insurance last year. My total medical expenses were less than $850 (and that was a bad year for me). It makes no sense for me as a young healthy male to pay for insurance beyond catastrophic care plans with super high deductibles. There is currently a plan that is offered at my work that is $12 a month with a $10,000 deductible. For me that would make sense because in less than three normal years of medical costs I will be able to save about $10000 in premiums. But now that Obullshitcare is being instituted, that plan will no longer be offered because it does not meet federal minimums. So my only option is to stick with the plan that I have, and next July my premiums are going to go up roughly 35%. Sweet.

[nynco]

I agree with all you said about insurance. It is a scam an scam that has a profit motive to make the system just like that. One where the insurance cartels bought our gov and wrote the rules just that way.

What I don't agree with is this.
"This is what has happened to every country that has instituted socialized medicine, and now that the associated health care costs are so high people can not afford to pay for their medical expenses without it."


That simply is just not factually true. Because even before there was insurance or socialized medicine people could not afford to pay for care either. It is pure insanity to think that people can afford to pay for medical care when they are sick. What do you want a guy with cancer to do... work harder to pay for it? He is dying and bed ridden.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The fact Sinclair was an avowed Socialist goes to his motive for exaggerating conditions he portrayed in The Jungle. You're spouting so much garbage I need some hipwaders here. I'm happy to help those in need as are most conservatives I know but your right to XXXXXX stops when you use Uncle Barack to reach into my pocket. Socialism, democratic or not, is founded on a philosophy of theft.

[DavieD55]

It's not about Healthcare folks.

[nynco]

So far Aloha, the only thing you have done is spout garbage in return. Its a fact that before the FDA people died way more from food born illness and tainted drugs than they do today. No matter how much you stomp your feet about someone being a socialist, that does not change the facts. It is also a fact that when Bush cut the amount of inspectors inspecting the food supply that the amount of tainted food went up. I don't live in a world of pie in the sky theories ala Ayne Rand, I deal in facts.

The worst part about those forms of poisoning is they always kill children and the old first because they are the weakest. If someone is doing something right or onto the right thing and uses facts, I don't care if they are if they are socialist or libertarian or purple.

[dwalker460]

I have had insurance through corporate policies for the last 10 years or so, first through the companies I worked with, and now through my wifes corporate policy, but prior to that I pretty much self-insured. While I was lucky enough not to need massive healthcare, the $10K or so a year I stuck into savings rather than paying out to insurance meant that when I needed to get medical help- like a throat infection or earcahe or whatever, I just payed it out of pocket and went on my way. Of course that meant no going to the hospital for frivolous crap, but that was fine.

[merl]

want a look at food without the FDA?

Hello China. How about restaurants reusing the grease from grease traps? Poison baby milk? Do you trust food with "made in china" on it? That crap isn't communists/socialists. It is capitalists out out make every last cent they can, fuck everyone else.

There are times that enforced regulation is needed. Just have to be very careful it doesn't grow past the initial reason for existence.

As for health care, I don't know the solution. I have ideas but am torn on them. A part of me is saying govt run is the way to go. One thing for sure, Ocare isn't going to solve the cost problem.

[dwalker460]

I get that a lot of you guys dont pay any actual attention to the world, but China is privatizing healthcare more and more. They started with dentistry, and soon "urgent care" and first responder/ambulance services will be privatized. They are doing this because governmental control of healthcare was not working out, and private industry will do the job better. It helps that thier legal system does not much allow for frivolous and punitive lawsuits.

[nynco]

No they are doing it because the communist party is selling those ways of making profit to their cronies. Don't look to China for any sort of example of good or as a model for capitalism for much. They are corrupt beyond belief.