Succession Threads: Merged

[dwalker460]

I assume that the newly independent Republic of Texas would insist on a mutual defense treaty with the United States that it despises so much?

You think anyone in Texas think they need the US Govt for defense?? Shit son, the rest of the world is afraid Texas will secede. First mission- invade Mexico and quell that shit. Get a little payback for Santa Anna, and sort out this whole "border" issue". Would be funny seeing Mexico annexed as "South Texas". I bet even New Mehico and Arizona would get in on that shit. Solve the illegal problem the old fashion way, through invasion, domination, and annexation.
Next up, kick that sick bastard out of Columbia, and shut down the Gulf O Mehico to furreners who want to drill oil, fish coastal waters, and otherwise generally muck with American... scuse me TEXICAN, commerce.
Texas unleashed should make Mexico and South America very very nervous...

[Teufelhund]

First mission- invade Mexico and quell that shit. Get a little payback for Santa Anna, and sort out this whole "border" issue".

That's some funny shit right there.

[Rucker61]

Texas unleashed should make Mexico and South America very very nervous...

While it would look like opportunity to China.

[Teufelhund]

While it would look like opportunity to China.

Opportunity for what? China is terrified of the number of gun-owners in the U.S. already, and Texas epitomizes that picture. I think China would know they'd be writing a check their ass couldn't cash.

[Rucker61]

Opportunity for what? China is terrified of the number of gun-owners in the U.S. already, and Texas epitomizes that picture. I think China would know they'd be writing a check their ass couldn't cash.

You may be right, but note that every invading force in the last century has included artillery and other heavy weapons which typically aren't owned by the opposing citizenry, even in Texas. This whole conversation is pure fantasy, because the Federal government is not going to let any state secede.

[hatidua]

This whole conversation is pure fantasy, because the Federal government is not going to let any state secede.

That.

[Teufelhund]

You may be right, but note that every invading force in the last century has included artillery and other heavy weapons which typically aren't owned by the opposing citizenry, even in Texas. This whole conversation is pure fantasy, because the Federal government is not going to let any state secede.

That would definitely suck. I don't think you can have any kind of privately-owned Howitzer in Texas. The laws may loosen up a little if Texas had to defend itself from an aggressor.

Yes, of course it is purely hypothetical. This comes up every four years or so (go figure), but doesn't typically receive so much media attention. It would never actually happen. Hell, nearly half of Texas voted for Obama. That said, is it actually within the Federal government's power to prohibit any State from leaving?

[Ronin13]

This whole conversation is pure fantasy, because the Federal government is not going to let any state secede.

Outside of the 1860's, has a peaceful secession ever been attempted? I would imagine if you had a majority in a certain state decide to it would be possible. We all want to avoid any civil war or violence, and the way states rights have been deteriorated over the last 100 years or so, it would seem their grievances are legitimate and I don't believe there is any law that states a state within the union doesn't have the right to withdraw.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Outside of the 1860's, has a peaceful secession ever been attempted? I would imagine if you had a majority in a certain state decide to it would be possible. We all want to avoid any civil war or violence, and the way states rights have been deteriorated over the last 100 years or so, it would seem their grievances are legitimate and I don't believe there is any law that states a state within the union doesn't have the right to withdraw.

Secession? Not exactly but there has been a sovereignty movement in Hawaii for the last 30 years attempting to get the US to recognize the fact that the American Ambassador and detached Marines supported an illegal and hostile overthrow of a friendly and cooperative government which was recognized throughout Europe as a sovereign power. One of the many problems with their premise is that most of the people in the so-called sovereignty movement are themselves Marxists that would have been protesting the Hawaiian Kingdom if it still existed. Another major issue is that the Kamehameha line no longer has any recognized heir and neither does the Kalakaua family so the only available legal construct (e.g., election through the Office of Hawaiian Affairs) has never had any standing as a sovereign power.

[Danimal]

This whole thing is significant on other levels. When there is a general response given, regardless of what it is, the media will report and the message is out there. Then in a couple years when we are collapsing like Greece the secession will be a more warranted and desired outcome with the proper backing and the government will not be able to do anything about it. It is getting the idea out there that is important and for the right reasons. Economic downfall is the right reason and if things get as bad as the could over this next term you will indeed see the support needed for a secession to take place. Either that or I think that we should all buy a nice little island somewhere and set up our own little government there with our own currency and tell the US to pound sand when they come looking for tax dollars.