So 64 just got signed

[palepainter]

I think this is going to play out poorly on the Libs in this state that put the Dictator in office. They are going to come down on CO like they did in AZ. This is going to create some perplexing reactions by the Libs that made it all possible.

I personally think too much time is spent on a plant that most people can do without or use leisurely with no issues. It should be handled like alcohol. Like Jim mentioned, the revenue could be good.

[Ronin13]

Ok, yesterday I gave my pro argument for 64, now for the con... The #1 problem I have with MJ is that there doesn't exist any way to immediately prove intoxication. Look at the PBT, they can tell, without a warrant or anything, if you're too drunk to drive in a single (long) breath. The only way to tell if someone has used MJ (from an LE standpoint) is a blood test, and without consent that requires a warrant. Even then, they cannot tell the level of intoxication or even how long ago you used. I can't get behind legalization until they can prove someone is driving under the influence (which some say is potentially worse than drunk driving).

[hatidua]

The #1 problem I have with MJ is that there doesn't exist any way to immediately prove intoxication. Look at the PBT, they can tell, without a warrant or anything, if you're too drunk to drive in a single (long) breath. The only way to tell if someone has used MJ (from an LE standpoint) is a blood test, and without consent that requires a warrant. Even then, they cannot tell the level of intoxication or even how long ago you used. I can't get behind legalization until they can prove someone is driving under the influence (which some say is potentially worse than drunk driving).

The #1 problem I have with guns is there isn't currently a way to 100% track who has them as there isn't a comprehensive registration database. Look at automobiles, they can tell by the license tag exactly who owns that vehicle and where they live. The only way to tell if someone has a gun is if they A) disclose that information to you, or B) you get a warrant to obtain that information from them, and even then, they might not divulge that information honestly. I cannot get behind legalization of firearms until they can devise a database that lists firearms owners, what they own, and where they live (afterall, firearms are potentially worse that automobiles).

(disclaimer: I do not use marijuana in any form)

[Redcon1]

Right on Hatidua, that plant and the business it creates has kept my security business alive through these tough times. I've seen electricians, plummers get work and real estate that has been vacant sell. It is already better than before and the opposition to its progress is literaly dying off. I cant wait till everyone in congress has played Grand Theft Auto 3.

[Ronin13]

The #1 problem I have with guns is there isn't currently a way to 100% track who has them as there isn't a comprehensive registration database. Look at automobiles, they can tell by the license tag exactly who owns that vehicle and where they live. The only way to tell if someone has a gun is if they A) disclose that information to you, or B) you get a warrant to obtain that information from them, and even then, they might not divulge that information honestly. I cannot get behind legalization of firearms until they can devise a database that lists firearms owners, what they own, and where they live (afterall, firearms are potentially worse that automobiles).

(disclaimer: I do not use marijuana in any form)

HUH? I'm talking about driving under the influence, since science (ah our old friend) has proven that marijuana affects one's ability to operate a vehicle. There is no amendment to the US Constitution that says driving is a right not to be infringed in any way.

[OneGuy67]

Ok, yesterday I gave my pro argument for 64, now for the con... The #1 problem I have with MJ is that there doesn't exist any way to immediately prove intoxication. Look at the PBT, they can tell, without a warrant or anything, if you're too drunk to drive in a single (long) breath. The only way to tell if someone has used MJ (from an LE standpoint) is a blood test, and without consent that requires a warrant. Even then, they cannot tell the level of intoxication or even how long ago you used. I can't get behind legalization until they can prove someone is driving under the influence (which some say is potentially worse than drunk driving).

Actually, you can do roadside maneuvers for MJ intoxication and there are indicators for it. However, it does require an arrest and consent to a blood test in the minimum, and a DRE (Drug Recogntion Expert) evaluation and blood test at the maximum. Given there are so few DRE certified officers in Colorado, the easiest way would be to train officers to look for the indicia and upon a probable cause arrest, request a blood test.

[Ronin13]

Actually, you can do roadside maneuvers for MJ intoxication and there are indicators for it. However, it does require an arrest and consent to a blood test in the minimum, and a DRE (Drug Recogntion Expert) evaluation and blood test at the maximum. Given there are so few DRE certified officers in Colorado, the easiest way would be to train officers to look for the indicia and upon a probable cause arrest, request a blood test.

So there is a way to prove someone is driving under the influence and follow up with charges? But isn't it pretty tough to prove?

[hatidua]

HUH? I'm talking about driving under the influence

Simple analogies designed to highlight your level of hypocrisy fly cleanly over your head.

[Ronin13]

Simple analogies designed to highlight your level of hypocrisy fly cleanly over your head.

Really? Hypocrisy...? I'm talking about driving stoned, which as of right now is illegal, you use some word replacement to *try* to compare my example to guns (stretch, hope you didn't pull anything). I don't see how it's hypocritical, and by me failing to see the connection you'll probably claim that "that flew over my head too," but it's plainly obvious your reaching is an attempt to belittle my argument. Oh, sorry, I just realized you live in Boulder, so the 2nd hand smoke has probably already affected your brain beyond repair. I was simply stating that without a quick, effective, and accurate way to test for the level of intoxication of MJ WHILE OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE such as a breathalyzer, I cannot support any legislation that decriminalizes MJ. But you go ahead an compare apples to oranges and think it makes sense.

[CapLock]

I don't want the Feds telling ME what I can and can not do.....I want them to tell HIM what he can't do....Talk about your flip floppers You can't have it both ways you know? Otherwise you might get called the H word.