Shooter in Portland, Oregon

[SuperiorDG]

PORTLAND, Ore. — The gunman who killed two people and himself in a shooting rampage at an Oregon mall was 22 years old and used a stolen rifle from someone he knew, authorities said Wednesday.
Jacob Tyler Roberts had armed himself with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and had several fully loaded magazines when he arrived at a Portland mall on Tuesday, said Clackamas County Sheriff Craig Roberts.

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[patrick0685]

it sucks for the dude who got it stolen but at least they cant complain the system didnt work

[Singlestack]

The stupid media has this narrative that these kind of nutjobs all wear body armor, and therefore no responsible CCW holder could possibly neutralize them. From an LA times story a few minutes ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,0,44941.story


"The man entered the Clackamas Town Center, a popular suburban mall several miles from downtown Portland, on Tuesday afternoon. He was wearing a hockey-style mask and a protective vest and began firing with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, stolen from someone the suspect knew, police said. There were also several magazines of ammunition".

This doesn't say "body armor" specifically, but gives that impression to the unknowing masses. From other accounts I understand he was wearing a cheap tactical vest, and some witnesses identified that as body armor. Those things wouldn't stop a .22.

Singlestack

[wreave]

Yea thats kind of a fine line law from what Ive researched.... Seems like the most they can ask you to do is leave, unless its a government building

They are MOST LIKELY to just ask to you leave, but it is trespassing and they can call the cops to write you a ticket.

[PugnacAutMortem]

They are MOST LIKELY to just ask to you leave, but it is trespassing and they can call the cops to write you a ticket.

It is only trespassing if you do not leave. Since you are not doing anything illegal you can't get a ticket. Now if they don't ask you to leave and call the cops...the cops will just tell you to leave (hopefully).

[Monky]

I got stuck listening to Piers Morgan last night on CNN.. I about puked listening to this blow hard talk.

[brutal]

They are MOST LIKELY to just ask to you leave, but it is trespassing and they can call the cops to write you a ticket.

Blatantly wrong.

It is only trespassing if you do not leave. Since you are not doing anything illegal you can't get a ticket. Now if they don't ask you to leave and call the cops...the cops will just tell you to leave (hopefully).

This ^

Happened already. A theater patron (foolishly) exposed his carry or otherwise compromised his concealment and the establishment called the cops who unjustifiably arrested the guy but later set him free and apologized when someone smarter than the responding officers pointed out their ignorant fuck up. NOTE: this is not a rant or dig on LEO's in general, whom I sincerely respect and appreciate unless they individually prove otherwise, just this particular pair of fuckups in this particular instance.

[asmo]

Media actual has someone sensible as thier "firearms" expert.

http://www.opb.org/news/article/qa-f...kes-questions/

[brutal]

Well done.

However, I would be cautious using terms like "very, or highly modifiable" around media folks.

[wreave]

Blatantly wrong.

This ^

Happened already. A theater patron (foolishly) exposed his carry or otherwise compromised his concealment and the establishment called the cops who unjustifiably arrested the guy but later set him free and apologized when someone smarter than the responding officers pointed out their ignorant fuck up. NOTE: this is not a rant or dig on LEO's in general, whom I sincerely respect and appreciate unless they individually prove otherwise, just this particular pair of fuckups in this particular instance.

Not to side-track the thread, but I looked this up, because it's not what I have learned. Apparently, it's a topic of some debate.

My research shows that entering private property which is posted is criminal trespass. The owner does not have to tell you to leave and then call the cops if you don't. The owner can call the cops right away. Whether or not you will be arrested, charged, and prosecuted is a different question. Please raise your wallet if you'd like to be the test case.

What I've heard is that if the owner asks you to leave, do so. Promptly. If the owner calls the cops, stay, get out your cell phone, and take pictures of the entry and any signs which may or may not be posted. What you really don't want to have happen is the owner to call the cops, then go put up a sign while you wait.

Note that in the James Mapes case, the theater into which he open carried was not posted. The simple reason that all charges were dropped against him is that he did not violate any laws.